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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

$600 AU for six days work is fucking bullshit. You can't physically live off that in most places in Australia. That's a little less than my weekly rent in Quakers Hill.

That's top money for walking a bunch of dogs around the block for less than 2 hours per day! Of course, that wouldn't pass the socialists ideal of getting $600 per week sent to you without you lifting a finger. :rolleyes:

Your definition of someone working six days a week and my definition of someone working six days a week are two very different things. I guess socialists have a better work ethic.

Yea, I guess so. Any work ethics of a rabid socialist don't exist at all! Why work when everything should be free! Here is a perfect example of why there are haves and have nots!
 
Here ya go, Angelo!

https://www.businessforafairminimumwage.org/news/00135/research-shows-minimum-wage-increases-do-not-cause-job-loss

Extensive research refutes the claim that increasing the minimum wage causes increased unemployment and business closures. (See list below.)

The buying power of the minimum wage reached its peak in 1968 at $10.97, adjusting for inflation in 2015 dollars. The unemployment rate went from 3.8% in 1967 to 3.6% in 1968 to 3.5% in 1969. The next time the unemployment rate came close to those levels was after the minimum wage raises of 1996 and 1997. Business Week observed in 2001, “Many economists have backed away from the argument that minimum wage [laws] lead to fewer jobs.”

Numerous states raised their minimum wages higher than the federal level during the 1997-2007 period the federal minimum wage remained stuck at $5.15. Research by the Fiscal Policy Institute and others showed that states that raised their minimum wages above the federal level experienced better employment and small business trends than states that did not.

A series of rigorous studies by the Institute for Research on Labor and Employment at the University of California, Berkeley, significantly advanced the research on minimum wage employment effects. Minimum Wage Effects Across State Borders compared all neighboring counties in the U.S. located on different sides of a state border with different minimum wage levels between 1990 and 2006 and found no adverse employment effects from higher minimum wages.

The Institute for Research on Labor and Employment’s Spacial Heterogeneity and Minimum Wages: Employment Estimates for Teens Using Cross-State Commuting Zones found “no discernable disemployment effect, even when minimum wage increases lead to relatively large wage changes.” Do Minimum Wages Really Reduce Teen Employment? analyzed the 1990-2009 period (an earlier version analyzed 1990-2007). Carefully controlling for more factors than previous minimum wage studies, the researchers found the answer is no.

Your link looked like one person's opinion. Extensive research has refuted the idea that raising the minimum wage causes fewer employment opportunities. Imo, if an employer can't afford to pay workers a decent wage, they don't need to be an employer. Being a business owner doesn't give you the right to live a lavish life style while treating the very people who you depend on to maintain your business, poorly. It's fine to make a much larger income than your employees as long as you are also paying your employees a wage that allows them to support themselves. It benefits society for workers to be paid a wage that allows them to obtain the basics needed to live without constantly worrying about not being able to pay for food, housing and utilities. People at the bottom spend most of their income, which also helps strengthen the economy. And, why should the government be forced to help working people because their employers refuse to pay them enough to obtain their basic needs?

Labour is the largest expense in most businesses. If that business goes through a downturn for any reason, what do you think the management would do? A. Give it's workers a pay rise or B. Sack excess workers ? An example is: Most newspapers around the world have experienced declining subscriptions because of online news sources etc, including most newspapers themselves offering online services. My local newspaper just announced the redundancy of 30 employees just this morning in fact.

Most people are employed in small business who's owners are by no means multi millionaires. Besides, the politics of envy only divides instead of working together for the benefit of everyone involved.
 
Here ya go, Angelo!

https://www.businessforafairminimum...-minimum-wage-increases-do-not-cause-job-loss

Extensive research refutes the claim that increasing the minimum wage causes increased unemployment and business closures. (See list below.)

The buying power of the minimum wage reached its peak in 1968 at $10.97, adjusting for inflation in 2015 dollars. The unemployment rate went from 3.8% in 1967 to 3.6% in 1968 to 3.5% in 1969. The next time the unemployment rate came close to those levels was after the minimum wage raises of 1996 and 1997. Business Week observed in 2001, “Many economists have backed away from the argument that minimum wage [laws] lead to fewer jobs.”

Numerous states raised their minimum wages higher than the federal level during the 1997-2007 period the federal minimum wage remained stuck at $5.15. Research by the Fiscal Policy Institute and others showed that states that raised their minimum wages above the federal level experienced better employment and small business trends than states that did not.

A series of rigorous studies by the Institute for Research on Labor and Employment at the University of California, Berkeley, significantly advanced the research on minimum wage employment effects. Minimum Wage Effects Across State Borders compared all neighboring counties in the U.S. located on different sides of a state border with different minimum wage levels between 1990 and 2006 and found no adverse employment effects from higher minimum wages.

The Institute for Research on Labor and Employment’s Spacial Heterogeneity and Minimum Wages: Employment Estimates for Teens Using Cross-State Commuting Zones found “no discernable disemployment effect, even when minimum wage increases lead to relatively large wage changes.” Do Minimum Wages Really Reduce Teen Employment? analyzed the 1990-2009 period (an earlier version analyzed 1990-2007). Carefully controlling for more factors than previous minimum wage studies, the researchers found the answer is no.

Your link looked like one person's opinion. Extensive research has refuted the idea that raising the minimum wage causes fewer employment opportunities. Imo, if an employer can't afford to pay workers a decent wage, they don't need to be an employer. Being a business owner doesn't give you the right to live a lavish life style while treating the very people who you depend on to maintain your business, poorly. It's fine to make a much larger income than your employees as long as you are also paying your employees a wage that allows them to support themselves. It benefits society for workers to be paid a wage that allows them to obtain the basics needed to live without constantly worrying about not being able to pay for food, housing and utilities. People at the bottom spend most of their income, which also helps strengthen the economy. And, why should the government be forced to help working people because their employers refuse to pay them enough to obtain their basic needs?

Labour is the largest expense in most businesses.
So labor has the health care, the 401k crap match, salary, and fringe benefits like heat. So a raise in one component of that is going to send businesses under?
 
Here ya go, Angelo!

https://www.businessforafairminimumwage.org/news/00135/research-shows-minimum-wage-increases-do-not-cause-job-loss

Extensive research refutes the claim that increasing the minimum wage causes increased unemployment and business closures. (See list below.)

The buying power of the minimum wage reached its peak in 1968 at $10.97, adjusting for inflation in 2015 dollars. The unemployment rate went from 3.8% in 1967 to 3.6% in 1968 to 3.5% in 1969. The next time the unemployment rate came close to those levels was after the minimum wage raises of 1996 and 1997. Business Week observed in 2001, “Many economists have backed away from the argument that minimum wage [laws] lead to fewer jobs.”

Numerous states raised their minimum wages higher than the federal level during the 1997-2007 period the federal minimum wage remained stuck at $5.15. Research by the Fiscal Policy Institute and others showed that states that raised their minimum wages above the federal level experienced better employment and small business trends than states that did not.

A series of rigorous studies by the Institute for Research on Labor and Employment at the University of California, Berkeley, significantly advanced the research on minimum wage employment effects. Minimum Wage Effects Across State Borders compared all neighboring counties in the U.S. located on different sides of a state border with different minimum wage levels between 1990 and 2006 and found no adverse employment effects from higher minimum wages.

The Institute for Research on Labor and Employment’s Spacial Heterogeneity and Minimum Wages: Employment Estimates for Teens Using Cross-State Commuting Zones found “no discernable disemployment effect, even when minimum wage increases lead to relatively large wage changes.” Do Minimum Wages Really Reduce Teen Employment? analyzed the 1990-2009 period (an earlier version analyzed 1990-2007). Carefully controlling for more factors than previous minimum wage studies, the researchers found the answer is no.

Your link looked like one person's opinion. Extensive research has refuted the idea that raising the minimum wage causes fewer employment opportunities. Imo, if an employer can't afford to pay workers a decent wage, they don't need to be an employer. Being a business owner doesn't give you the right to live a lavish life style while treating the very people who you depend on to maintain your business, poorly. It's fine to make a much larger income than your employees as long as you are also paying your employees a wage that allows them to support themselves. It benefits society for workers to be paid a wage that allows them to obtain the basics needed to live without constantly worrying about not being able to pay for food, housing and utilities. People at the bottom spend most of their income, which also helps strengthen the economy. And, why should the government be forced to help working people because their employers refuse to pay them enough to obtain their basic needs?

Labour is the largest expense in most businesses. If that business goes through a downturn for any reason, what do you think the management would do? A. Give it's workers a pay rise or B. Sack excess workers ? An example is: Most newspapers around the world have experienced declining subscriptions because of online news sources etc, including most newspapers themselves offering online services. My local newspaper just announced the redundancy of 30 employees just this morning in fact.

Most people are employed in small business who's owners are by no means multi millionaires. Besides, the politics of envy only divides instead of working together for the benefit of everyone involved.


I did contract work for a small family owned business for 18 years. The owners lived an extremely lavish lifestyle, but they paid their workers slightly above the minimum wage, which meant that they had a very high turnover of employees. There is no way I will believe that they couldn't afford to pay their workers quite a bit more. They spent lots of money on all kinds of unnecessary things, but treated their hourly employees as if they were slaves. People like them shouldn't be business owners. This was a long term care facility and most of these low paid workers were wonderful people who did their best to care for the frail, older adults who lived there. That's a very difficult job and if the pay for such work doesn't drastically increase, there won't be many people, mostly women, who are willing to care for older adults in dire need of help.

Meanwhile, there's a small tire shop in town that keeps the same employees for many years. That is one reason why, I always buy tired from this business. The owner seems to be a very modest man, who cares a lot about his workers. I'd be willing to bet that he pays them well and gives them annual raises. He is the type of person that employees appreciate. There should be more like him.
 
Your definition of someone working six days a week and my definition of someone working six days a week are two very different things. I guess socialists have a better work ethic.

Yea, I guess so. Any work ethics of a rabid socialist don't exist at all!
That's funny. I put in like 400 hours of OT one year. Guess I don't exist, or I'm just not a "true socialist".
Why work when everything should be free!
Because not everything is free! What is wrong with you? You think that if all of a sudden people have UHC, they'll stop working because they don't want nice stuff and to go on vacations?!
 
Labour is the largest expense in most businesses.
So labor has the health care, the 401k crap match, salary, and fringe benefits like heat. So a raise in one component of that is going to send businesses under?

In many cases, One's salary raise is sometimes his/hers colleague's job. A salary raise in line with inflation, or increased productivity is the best way to protect jobs and to grow an economy and ensure growth.
 
That's funny. I put in like 400 hours of OT one year. Guess I don't exist, or I'm just not a "true socialist".
Why work when everything should be free!
Because not everything is free! What is wrong with you? You think that if all of a sudden people have UHC, they'll stop working because they don't want nice stuff and to go on vacations?!

Who pays for UHC? The State of course! The problem lays in the fact that UHC cost's more than what most people are prepared to pay in the much higher taxes that would ensure.
 
That's funny. I put in like 400 hours of OT one year. Guess I don't exist, or I'm just not a "true socialist".
Why work when everything should be free!
Because not everything is free! What is wrong with you? You think that if all of a sudden people have UHC, they'll stop working because they don't want nice stuff and to go on vacations?!

Who pays for UHC?
Taxpayers.
The problem lays in the fact that UHC cost's more than what most people are prepared to pay in the much higher taxes that would ensure.
For a person who talks so much about this, you are amazingly ignorant to what Americans and corporations area already paying just for health insurance. For me, I think my families health insurance (what I pay and my company pays for it) is about $1,000 a month, maybe $1,200.

Americans are spending a lot of money just to have health care insurance... that doesn't actually include the price of the actual health care, short of an annual checkup.
 
Are you feeding trolls?

For a person who talks so much about this, you are amazingly ignorant to what Americans and corporations area already paying just for health insurance. For me, I think my families health insurance (what I pay and my company pays for it) is about $1,000 a month, maybe $1,200.
My COBRA extension was costing me (& wife) $1500 a month last year. It was a shitty plan, but included a Health Savings Account Option that I was utilizing.

Americans are spending a lot of money just to have health care insurance... that doesn't actually include the price of the actual health care, short of an annual checkup.
Yup, add in a huge load of medical cost driven bankruptcies, Medicare, Medicaid, and poor statistics relative to other developed nations, we are paying a high price:


Health care costs for dummies:
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Who pays for UHC?
Taxpayers.
The problem lays in the fact that UHC cost's more than what most people are prepared to pay in the much higher taxes that would ensure.
For a person who talks so much about this, you are amazingly ignorant to what Americans and corporations area already paying just for health insurance. For me, I think my families health insurance (what I pay and my company pays for it) is about $1,000 a month, maybe $1,200.

Americans are spending a lot of money just to have health care insurance... that doesn't actually include the price of the actual health care, short of an annual checkup.
This has been pointed out many times. The taxes predicted are lower than current costs. But the GOP has spent the last 40 years propagandizing at the mouthbreathing base (I'm looking at you, angelo) that paying taxes is the worst thing evarr!!....and it works. Even though their net costs would go down, they'd rather pay more money to the almighty, blessed be its name Free Market (TM) than to the ebil gummint.

Also, when they get all riled up and want to bomb or invade another country, they never ask how we'll pay for that. So even answering them is a waste of time, they're just trying to distract and sow fear. It's all they got.
 
How much of someone else's money do you think is your fair share?

Stop dodging the question.

Again, socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor.
I think it is odd that private health insurance uses other people's money to help pay for other people's health care. Yet, when the Government does it, "SOCIALISM!!!"
 
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Our country has a “justice” system that criminalizes poverty + disproportionately targets race, yet routinely pardons large-scale crimes of wealth and privilege. Moments like these tell us it’s less a justice system, and more a class enforcement system. ⬇️… https://t.co/DFY1MMFuBm" noting Tom Winter on Twitter: "As NBC News reported last week, federal prosecutors have agreed to a guideline sentence range of 4-10 months in jail for Felicity Huffman, but they say they will make a recommendation for the lower end of that range and will allow Huffman to argue for a 0-6 month range."
Social class is something that many Americans are unwilling to talk about -- and that many Americans have very naive ideas about. The idea that the US has social classes is contrary to the presumption that the US is effectively a classless society where everybody is "middle class" except for a possible lower class.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "“Even while greed and corruption slow our progress ... true power still rests with the people.“ - @ewarren Couldn’t be more honored and humbled to read these words from a woman I admire so deeply. Thank you, Senator Warren, for your tireless fight for working families.… https://t.co/yWGvhKfAo7" noting TIME on Twitter: ".@ewarren on @AOC: “Her commitment to putting power in the hands of the people is forged in fire” #TIME100 [url]https://t.co/rllPN0Dyes… https://t.co/tozoCAl3C0"[/url]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "GOP thought they could catch us with a bluff. Now we’ve got ‘em on their back foot stutter-stepping 💁🏽*♀️ #TooLate… " noting GQ Magazine on Twitter: ".@AOC said yes to their invite, and now the Kentucky Republicans are waffling https://t.co/T43X6wCbEs" noting Kentucky Republicans Worried Inviting AOC to Meet with Coal Miners Might Backfire - GQ "Ocasio-Cortez actually said yes to their invite, and now they’re waffling." Seems like she successfully called their bluff. They may have been hoping that she would be afraid of explaining to those coal miners how she wants to destroy their jobs, but when she accepted, those politicians got worried that those miners might like what she says.
 
AOC calls GOP's 'bluff' over invite to speak with Kentucky coal miners about 'Green New Deal'

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., said she has Republicans “stutter-stepping” in a fight over an invitation for her to meet coal miners in Kentucky.

She had been asked by Rep. Andy Barr, R-Ky., to talk about her "Green New Deal," but after accepting, Ocasio-Cortez was told she had to first apologize to Rep. Dan Crenshaw, R-Texas, for an exchange stemming from a feud over Rep. Ilhan Omar's Sept. 11 comments.

“GOP thought they could catch us with a bluff. Now we’ve got ‘em on their back foot stutter-stepping #TooLate,” Ocasio-Cortez said on Twitter Wednesday in response to a GQ article titled “Kentucky Republicans Worried Inviting AOC to Meet with Coal Miners Might Backfire.”

:hysterical:
 
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Climate change is here + we’ve got a deadline: 12 years left to cut emissions in half. A #GreenNewDeal is our plan for a world and a future worth fighting for. How did we get here? What is at stake? And where are we going? Please watch & share widely ⬇️ https://t.co/IMCtS86VXG" (video at the Intercept)
A Message From the Future With Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - YouTube
A cute little video showing what she thinks might be our future. It starts with herself aboard a NYC-DC bullet train thinking about when she started that commute and continues with how Exxon officials concluded that global warming was real, but instead financed a denial campaign. Then Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico, and learning that we have only 12 years to reduce CO2 emissions by a factor of 2.

Then she mentioned how the US had faced previous challenges, like the Great Depression and World War II, and she described the Green New Deal as a similar sort of initiative. In her rather optimistic scenario, the Democrats win the Senate and the White House, and create the Decade of the Green New Deal. Including Medicare for All and a Federal jobs guarantee. She imagined the career of someone like herself, going off to help restore Louisiana lowland terrain and being a well-paid teacher. Of course, not all the news is good news, like a hurricane drowning downtown Miami "for the last time", but that someone then goes on to be elected to AOC's seat in Congress in a publicly-funded campaign.

Optimistic? Yes. But Gilded Age II has continued for longer than the original Gilded Age, and the Left has had difficulty in getting organized well enough to end it. In the Schlesinger cycles of history, we are overdue for another major reform phase, and plenty of unaddressed problems have been piling up. Even so, it must be noted that previous phases of reform were often not very smooth going.

Also, as to being united in World War II, that happened only after Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. Before that, there was a big "America First" movement which opposed involvement in that war. There were even some American Nazis, like some who held a big rally in Madison Square Garden in New York City early in 1939. But that attack shut up the America Firsters, and the US was more united than at anytime before or since.

As to what would be a Pearl-Harbor-level provocation in global warming, I think that a hurricane drowning Miami would most likely be it. Miami is very populous, very low in elevation, and right next to the Atlantic Ocean. Hurricane Irma of 2017 came close, though it went through west Florida. But a direct hit by the strongest winds in a hurricane would be devastating, especially if combined with a big storm surge.
 
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "No one is arguing this. Simply put: I don’t believe in caging kids. Pretty straightforward value. I don’t care if it’s American kids, Mexican kids, or Palestinian kids. I vote against funding it on the US border, too. It would be inconsistent w/ my values to fund it anywhere.… https://t.co/EdBRQK94b6" noting Andrew Pollack on Twitter: "Someone needs to remind @AOC Israel is our greatest ally in the region and the only democracy in the Middle East. Why not end aid to countries who chant death to America? Why not end aid to countries that impose Sharia law? https://t.co/myOK0GcbKC"
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "For those curious, the legislation in question submitted by @BettyMcCollum04: https://t.co/kEprb3m9sw" noting McCollum Introduces Legislation to Promote Human Rights for Palestinian Children | Congresswoman Betty McCollum

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "You know what’s interesting? Last month I invited @RepAndyBarr to come visit us in the Bronx and offer perspective in our MSNBC Climate Town Hall. He said no, because UK had an NCAA game that night. Fair. So I offered to fly him home in time for the game. He still said no. 🤷🏽*♀️… https://t.co/Ucy2yPVU7B" noting Sahil Kapur on Twitter: ".@RepAndyBarr invites @AOC to Kentucky to meet with coal miners. She accepts. He qualifies his invitation, telling her to apologize to @DanCrenshawTX first. AOC's office responds with this: [url]https://t.co/ox0qqpASCD… https://t.co/SDHqQjpmGy"[/url]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "What a truly incredible town hall tonight in the Bronx on protecting + improving veteran’s care. We heard from mothers, Vietnam veterans, VA nurses, advocates and policy experts on the way forward. Thank you @NationalNurses, @NYCVetsAlliance, @VVAmerica & everyone who came!… https://t.co/5NNjNUhyvv" noting Bonnie Castillo on Twitter: ""If we really want to fix the VA, let's talk about filling those 49,000 vacancies." - @AOC says at #TheBronx Town Hall on how to stop privatizing the VA health care system.… https://t.co/QLvn8ByXrY" also Bonnie Castillo on Twitter: ""The administration is trying to 'fix' the VA, but for who? They’re trying to fix it for #BigPharma, insurance companies, and a for-profit industry that doesn't put #veterans health care first." - @AOC at the Saving VA Healthcare Town Hall #TheBronx… https://t.co/5t5XwUITqX"
 
How much of someone else's money do you think is your fair share?

Stop dodging the question.

Again, socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor.

Why do you get a say over what a company pays its CEO? Why is it your business?

The CEO didn't earn any of that money, it belongs to the workers who did the thing that made or provided whatever was sold for a profit (which he appropriated and decided how to distribute along with the other non-workers in the board of directors). The question you asked ZiprHead should apply to the CEO first and foremost.
 
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