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That's top money for walking a bunch of dogs around the block for less than 2 hours per day! Of course, that wouldn't pass the socialists ideal of getting $600 per week sent to you without you lifting a finger.
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That's top money for walking a bunch of dogs around the block for less than 2 hours per day! Of course, that wouldn't pass the socialists ideal of getting $600 per week sent to you without you lifting a finger.
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laissez faire Capitalism is a kind of religion, with the belief the 'Free Market' will solve all problems. All hail the Invisible Hand of the Markets!
That's top money for walking a bunch of dogs around the block for less than 2 hours per day! Of course, that wouldn't pass the socialists ideal of getting $600 per week sent to you without you lifting a finger.
Your definition of someone working six days a week and my definition of someone working six days a week are two very different things. I guess socialists have a better work ethic.
lpetrich
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "All too often, “bipartisanship” tends to mean coming together to advance corp lobbyist interests, or raising the military budget ad absurdum. It doesn’t have to be that way. It can also mean building unconventional, yet principled coalitions to end our War in Yemen and more.… https://t.co/v0f7skRDjU" noting Skullduggery on Twitter: "WATCH: Vid clip from the latest @SkullduggeryPod, @AOC answers the question, "Are there any #Republicans you can work with?" LISTEN: Full pod ep here: [url]https://t.co/5h4lMjt1la -- @Isikoff @dklaidman @YahooNews #SkullduggeryPod #AOC… https://t.co/GqXcBjsQak"[/url]
Has a bit of this recent interview with AOC: AOC unfiltered | Skullduggery on acast She describes how she has good relationships with some Republicans, but that they are afraid to talk about that. For that reason, she is not revealing who.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "That’s bc I like:
Solar panels 🛰 Turbines
Battery Storage 
Electric Vehicles 
Regenerative Ag 
Jobs + Justice 🏗 Funding fuel worker pensions
*
Structuring our economy so it doesn’t depend on continuous extraction of working people & the planet 
… https://t.co/tSzASaUCHQ" noting Manu Raju on Twitter: ""For some reason, Democrats don't like pipelines -- they don't like energy," Trump says in Minnesota, before pivoting to immigration. "Who do you think these countries are giving us -- they're not giving us their finest, I can tell you." He calls asylum seekers "a big con job""
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Alternative Headline: Republicans Mad at Government for Doing Its Job… " noting Sam Levine on Twitter: "House Republicans are upset Democrats are investigating voter suppression https://t.co/xVJ6p1HFGP" noting House Republicans Are Upset Democrats Are Investigating Voter Suppression Allegations | HuffPost "The Republicans accused the Democratic lawmakers of meddling in state election issues."
Has a bit of this recent interview with AOC: AOC unfiltered | Skullduggery on acast She describes how she has good relationships with some Republicans, but that they are afraid to talk about that. For that reason, she is not revealing who.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "That’s bc I like:
Solar panels 🛰 Turbines Battery Storage Electric Vehicles Regenerative Ag Jobs + Justice 🏗 Funding fuel worker pensions* Structuring our economy so it doesn’t depend on continuous extraction of working people & the planet … https://t.co/tSzASaUCHQ" noting Manu Raju on Twitter: ""For some reason, Democrats don't like pipelines -- they don't like energy," Trump says in Minnesota, before pivoting to immigration. "Who do you think these countries are giving us -- they're not giving us their finest, I can tell you." He calls asylum seekers "a big con job""Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Alternative Headline: Republicans Mad at Government for Doing Its Job… " noting Sam Levine on Twitter: "House Republicans are upset Democrats are investigating voter suppression https://t.co/xVJ6p1HFGP" noting House Republicans Are Upset Democrats Are Investigating Voter Suppression Allegations | HuffPost "The Republicans accused the Democratic lawmakers of meddling in state election issues."
lpetrich
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I just listened to Skullduggery: AOC unfiltered, and it's a very good interview. It starts with her first love, "the sciences", including some biomedical research that she had done as a teen. Research that earned her second place in a major contest and an asteroid named after her. Then about President Trump's rather veiled threats against Ilhan Omar. AOC claims that she is all too familiar with the type from her NYC days. Some shady real-estate developer who makes very indirectly-stated threats, threats that they can later deny making.
Then she gets to the issue of immigration. She thinks that ICE should be abolished because of inadequate oversight into its operations, though she was rather vague as to what would replace it. She also was very vague about whether to accept economic refugees. But she was correct about the incentives that privatized prisons can create.
On impeaching pResident Trump, she agrees, and she thinks that the biggest reason is emoluments. The second is tax fraud. The Russian issue mostly reduces to emoluments, in her mind. She also described how she has good relationships with some Republican Congresspeople.
About the Amazon deal, she opposed it because of the way that it was set up. It was not just tax breaks, but also outright gifts, like to construct a helipad, a place for helicopters to land. This in a town where housing is getting grotesquely expensive and whose subway-train system is getting very run down.
About breaking up large tech companies, she noted that it's an issue of what some company wants to be. A platform and a vendor?
She mentioned how she had no experience of the Soviet Union, and likewise for other younger Americans. Communism isn't the great villain that it used to be. Instead, we have social-democratic successes in Canada and northern Europe, and instead of government controlling business, business controlling government. They have also experienced declining standards of living, like it being difficult to do what their parents had done at their ages.
As to who she wants for president, she was rather diffident. She supported Bernie Sanders in 2016, but she would not commit to him at this time. She liked him, however, and she likes what Elizabeth Warren has been doing. She doesn't like Joe Biden that much, because he seems too much like nostalgia for the Obama era.
She is not sure whether she wants to run for higher office. She says that she wants to be useful. She has been reading Rebecca Solnitz's "Hope in the Dark", she is a fan of "Game of Thrones", and the final question was about the Yankees and Mets baseball teams.
Then she gets to the issue of immigration. She thinks that ICE should be abolished because of inadequate oversight into its operations, though she was rather vague as to what would replace it. She also was very vague about whether to accept economic refugees. But she was correct about the incentives that privatized prisons can create.
On impeaching pResident Trump, she agrees, and she thinks that the biggest reason is emoluments. The second is tax fraud. The Russian issue mostly reduces to emoluments, in her mind. She also described how she has good relationships with some Republican Congresspeople.
About the Amazon deal, she opposed it because of the way that it was set up. It was not just tax breaks, but also outright gifts, like to construct a helipad, a place for helicopters to land. This in a town where housing is getting grotesquely expensive and whose subway-train system is getting very run down.
About breaking up large tech companies, she noted that it's an issue of what some company wants to be. A platform and a vendor?
She mentioned how she had no experience of the Soviet Union, and likewise for other younger Americans. Communism isn't the great villain that it used to be. Instead, we have social-democratic successes in Canada and northern Europe, and instead of government controlling business, business controlling government. They have also experienced declining standards of living, like it being difficult to do what their parents had done at their ages.
As to who she wants for president, she was rather diffident. She supported Bernie Sanders in 2016, but she would not commit to him at this time. She liked him, however, and she likes what Elizabeth Warren has been doing. She doesn't like Joe Biden that much, because he seems too much like nostalgia for the Obama era.
She is not sure whether she wants to run for higher office. She says that she wants to be useful. She has been reading Rebecca Solnitz's "Hope in the Dark", she is a fan of "Game of Thrones", and the final question was about the Yankees and Mets baseball teams.
lpetrich
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I tracked down her asteroid at JPL Small-Body Database Browser It's
23238 Ocasio-Cortez (2000 WU111)
and it's a main-belt asteroid, about 2.5 times farther from the Sun than the Earth is, with an orbit period of 3 yr 10 mo, an eccentricity of 0.13 and an inclination of 6.2d. Its diameter is 2.3 km (1.4 mi), its albedo is 0.16, making it rather dark, and its mean apparent magnitude is +18. Its size is a bit less than the distance between Yankee Stadium and Crotona Park in the Bronx, a bit more than the lengths of LaGuardia Airport's runways, and a bit less than the distance between the US Congress building and the White House.
Here is another one:
153289 Rebeccawatson (2001 FB10)
It's an outer-main-belt asteroid, at 3.5 times our distance from the Sun, at 8.2 km / 5.1 across, and with mean apparent magnitude +20.
Let us see if either AOC or RW could possibly see their namesake asteroids without using photography. So I went to JPL Solar System Dynamics and
Timeline of discovery of Solar System planets and their moons, and found which ones were discovered by looking through a telescope.
Planets (Neptune: +7.8), Moons of Mars (Deimos: +12.45), Mo Jupiter (Amalthea: +14.1), Mo Saturn (Hyperion: +14.4), Mo Uranus (Umbriel: +14.47), Mo Neptune (Triton: +13.54).
So the best case for visual observation is likely +14.5. Both of these asteroids are much fainter than that.
23238 Ocasio-Cortez (2000 WU111)
and it's a main-belt asteroid, about 2.5 times farther from the Sun than the Earth is, with an orbit period of 3 yr 10 mo, an eccentricity of 0.13 and an inclination of 6.2d. Its diameter is 2.3 km (1.4 mi), its albedo is 0.16, making it rather dark, and its mean apparent magnitude is +18. Its size is a bit less than the distance between Yankee Stadium and Crotona Park in the Bronx, a bit more than the lengths of LaGuardia Airport's runways, and a bit less than the distance between the US Congress building and the White House.
Here is another one:
153289 Rebeccawatson (2001 FB10)
It's an outer-main-belt asteroid, at 3.5 times our distance from the Sun, at 8.2 km / 5.1 across, and with mean apparent magnitude +20.
Let us see if either AOC or RW could possibly see their namesake asteroids without using photography. So I went to JPL Solar System Dynamics and
Timeline of discovery of Solar System planets and their moons, and found which ones were discovered by looking through a telescope.Planets (Neptune: +7.8), Moons of Mars (Deimos: +12.45), Mo Jupiter (Amalthea: +14.1), Mo Saturn (Hyperion: +14.4), Mo Uranus (Umbriel: +14.47), Mo Neptune (Triton: +13.54).
So the best case for visual observation is likely +14.5. Both of these asteroids are much fainter than that.
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Here ya go, Angelo!
https://www.businessforafairminimumwage.org/news/00135/research-shows-minimum-wage-increases-do-not-cause-job-loss
Your link looked like one person's opinion. Extensive research has refuted the idea that raising the minimum wage causes fewer employment opportunities. Imo, if an employer can't afford to pay workers a decent wage, they don't need to be an employer. Being a business owner doesn't give you the right to live a lavish life style while treating the very people who you depend on to maintain your business, poorly. It's fine to make a much larger income than your employees as long as you are also paying your employees a wage that allows them to support themselves. It benefits society for workers to be paid a wage that allows them to obtain the basics needed to live without constantly worrying about not being able to pay for food, housing and utilities. People at the bottom spend most of their income, which also helps strengthen the economy. And, why should the government be forced to help working people because their employers refuse to pay them enough to obtain their basic needs?
https://www.businessforafairminimumwage.org/news/00135/research-shows-minimum-wage-increases-do-not-cause-job-loss
Your link looked like one person's opinion. Extensive research has refuted the idea that raising the minimum wage causes fewer employment opportunities. Imo, if an employer can't afford to pay workers a decent wage, they don't need to be an employer. Being a business owner doesn't give you the right to live a lavish life style while treating the very people who you depend on to maintain your business, poorly. It's fine to make a much larger income than your employees as long as you are also paying your employees a wage that allows them to support themselves. It benefits society for workers to be paid a wage that allows them to obtain the basics needed to live without constantly worrying about not being able to pay for food, housing and utilities. People at the bottom spend most of their income, which also helps strengthen the economy. And, why should the government be forced to help working people because their employers refuse to pay them enough to obtain their basic needs?
So you respond to my pointing out that this is just another stupid eat-the-rich proposal with defending eating the rich. That is in direct conflict with your claim that when you eat the rich they magically regrow. You can't have it both ways.
For fuck's sake, it's not eating the rich. They would still be rich without a system that makes them many times over filthy rich at the expense of everybody else.
Stamping your feet and claiming I'm saying something I'm not doesn't make it true.
Make the minimum wage too high and she's going to be making $0/hr. You can't just wave a magic wand and decree that such workers are worth more.
Furthermore, the real cause of her problem is obvious--trying to raise kids on zero-skill jobs.
They're embracing socialism because it's a way to take what they haven't earned.
You're looking at the time when the low wage jobs were pushed off onto the blacks (whose live of poverty was ignored) or other countries (because we were way ahead of them technologically. As they are catching up that's nowhere near as possible as it used to be.) The shit existed, it was just out of sight.
Furthermore, there's the issue of healthcare. The doctors save a lot of people that would have died back then--but often they're not to the point of being productive workers. That adds a considerable burden to our system (which we do not deal with well!)
In the 50's and 60's most of those people were in the mental institutions--out of sight.
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But rich isn't good enough. See, when you take away the many times over filthy rich part, you're actually imposing draconian restrictions on these folks. They're in fact victims when they can't reasonably afford a private jet of their own and have to "settle" for simply leasing a private jet when they need one. Or heaven forbid, flying first class on a commercial flight.
Don't you understand how much of a burden you're imposing on these people? I mean, to step down from having your own Gulfstream to having to rent space on a collectively owned G6 is near as anyone can get to communism.
Did you not notice the "studies" part"? That's part time work for a student!
The problem here is that states tend to raise the minimum wage in good economic times--and business does well in good economic times. What you need to look at is what happens in the next downturn.
You're the one trying to hold two contradictory positions at once.
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Pfizer CEO gets 61% pay raise—to $27.9 million—as drug prices continue to climb
What did the Pfizer CEO do to earn a 61% raise?
What did the rich do to earn the huge tax break Trump and the Republicans gave them?
Socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor.
It’s not your money.
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Well he was the CEO. That's enough. If the company manages to lose money, he'll get a golden parachute when he gets fired that will be worth millions. Don't you feel sorry for him?
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How much of someone else's money do you think is your fair share?
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "GOP’s getting scared that up close, their constituents will realize I’m fighting harder for their healthcare than their own Reps 
… https://t.co/irdRj5rFT2" noting lesley clarkVerified account @lesleyclark
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "What if a bold agenda rooted in improving everyday people’s lives is part of a winning strategy? What if the choice btwn big ideas+winning elections is a false one that crept up through outsize influence of
in politics? What if, in a nation parched for change, we were water?
"
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "If by “destabilize,” he means “disrupt for-profit insulin schemes bc the discovering scientist freely gave away the patent bc he didn’t want us to price-gouge life saving medicines,” then yes. (PS:#MedicareForAll is @RepJayapal’s bill, not mine - and am I proud to cosponsor it!)… https://t.co/FdiwFnGLg5" noting CNBC on Twitter: "UnitedHealth CEO warns Sanders', AOC's 'Medicare for All' plans would 'destabilize' US health system https://t.co/gF2qdsdJG4"
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Reminder that we’ve taken progressive organizing straight into Trump country, rallied 5,000 people in the middle of a workday, and can do it again. In time, not a single GOP seat should be taken for granted. Wherever there‘s working people, we can win.🗳 https://t.co/1Mk4tr7TXI" noting They thought this was Trump country. Hell no | US news | The Guardian She and Bernie Sanders went to Kansas for a rally in support for Congressional hopeful James Thompson.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Surprise!
For months we’ve been working on a very special + secret #GreenNewDeal project. Now it’s ready to drop tomorrow morning. Here’s a sneak peek 
… https://t.co/kWQmfYHAqs"
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "This is a great, substantive dive on the #GreenNewDeal w/ Senate lead Sen. @EdMarkey: “When we were drafting the [GND], we looked to FDR’s 1944 State of the Union. He said that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security.” https://t.co/5MFcnL7y0D" noting Green New Deal: Ed Markey says “the era of incrementalism on climate change is over” - Vox
This was inspired by Franklin Delano Roosevelt's Second Bill of Rights, which he stated in his 1944 State of the Union address (State of the Union, Full Text):
… https://t.co/irdRj5rFT2" noting lesley clarkVerified account @lesleyclarkAlexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "What if a bold agenda rooted in improving everyday people’s lives is part of a winning strategy? What if the choice btwn big ideas+winning elections is a false one that crept up through outsize influence of
in politics? What if, in a nation parched for change, we were water?"Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "If by “destabilize,” he means “disrupt for-profit insulin schemes bc the discovering scientist freely gave away the patent bc he didn’t want us to price-gouge life saving medicines,” then yes. (PS:#MedicareForAll is @RepJayapal’s bill, not mine - and am I proud to cosponsor it!)… https://t.co/FdiwFnGLg5" noting CNBC on Twitter: "UnitedHealth CEO warns Sanders', AOC's 'Medicare for All' plans would 'destabilize' US health system https://t.co/gF2qdsdJG4"
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Reminder that we’ve taken progressive organizing straight into Trump country, rallied 5,000 people in the middle of a workday, and can do it again. In time, not a single GOP seat should be taken for granted. Wherever there‘s working people, we can win.🗳 https://t.co/1Mk4tr7TXI" noting They thought this was Trump country. Hell no | US news | The Guardian She and Bernie Sanders went to Kansas for a rally in support for Congressional hopeful James Thompson.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Surprise!
For months we’ve been working on a very special + secret #GreenNewDeal project. Now it’s ready to drop tomorrow morning. Here’s a sneak peek … https://t.co/kWQmfYHAqs"Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "This is a great, substantive dive on the #GreenNewDeal w/ Senate lead Sen. @EdMarkey: “When we were drafting the [GND], we looked to FDR’s 1944 State of the Union. He said that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security.” https://t.co/5MFcnL7y0D" noting Green New Deal: Ed Markey says “the era of incrementalism on climate change is over” - Vox
This was inspired by Franklin Delano Roosevelt's Second Bill of Rights, which he stated in his 1944 State of the Union address (State of the Union, Full Text):
- The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the Nation;
- The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
- The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
- The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
- The right of every family to a decent home;
- The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
- The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
- The right to a good education.