Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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This goes back to the radix of Christianity.
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"Allahu akhbar!"
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This goes back to the radix of Christianity.
blastula
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Derec
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Yes, he spread Islam by the sword.
Derec
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Stop derailing! Also, this is from last year. How many Islamic terrorist attacks have been since then in the West, despite still relatively low population percentage?
Islamic terrorism is almost a weekly occurrence in Europe these days. Europe must do something to combat it.
Otherwise Europe will get this:
TSwizzle
I am unburdened by what has been.
230 people in France have been killed in islamic attacks in the past two years. France is doomed.
LordKiran
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Wrong. He spread his authority by the sword. The faith was spread later.
DrZoidberg
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False advertising. I joined this thread prepared to argue against Islam. With a thread title like that I was expecting posts from an Islamic extremist. But you're not. You're just a regular extremist.
untermensche
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France can easily absorb that. It is nothing.
Many more killed on the roads.
A whole lot more killed by cigarettes slowly.
It is a shame this blowback is hitting France.
France opposed the US terrorist attack of Iraq.
But that doesn't mean anything once the fires have been lit by US terrorism.
Deliberate terrorism that some Americans still cheer about.
And some claim the Muslims are the real danger.
Probably one of the many sick Americans.
thebeave
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This just floors me. Do you have the same attitude about, say, the Sandy Hook shooting where over 20 kids were senselessly slaughtered? That is, saying we have lots of spare kids to go around in the US, so its nothing... we can abosrb it. Lots of kids die in car accidents, or from cancer or from child abuse/neglect so everyone just move along quietly?
What if it was a bunch of Neo-Nazis who did the killings? Same attitude?
No, this is a progressive atheist web page so we only defend murderous religious intolerant theocrats.
LordKiran
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Pretty much yes. When someone kills someone else. That's a homicide. They happen. When the same happens and then the murderer gets away and isn't even charged, that's indicative of a larger problem and is very much my concern.
Taking down Saddam gave them a big boost but the ideology predates our actions.
Typical leftist, you don't care about dead people.
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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We leftists normally care more about living people.
PyramidHead
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I think you're both missing the point. These occurrences don't require some special new mechanism or policy to handle, as the Islamophobes would argue. We don't need to ban anybody or institute Muslim-specific control measures any more than we need a law that solely protects people from school shootings. Broader measures, like better law enforcement and saner gun regulations, can handle this threat. It's a problem that people are getting killed, but it hasn't risen to anywhere near the level that we need to sacrifice the well-being of the vast majority of Muslim immigrants and refugees in order to deal with it. Terrorism is a crime for which the developed world already has an infrastructure in place to minimize and apprehend/prosecute the offenders, like any other violent crime. That's why the chances of getting killed by a Muslim terrorist remain vanishingly small. To do something as drastic as excluding people from entering the country based on their religion or country of origin to deal with such a comparatively rare phenomenon, without also taking similar draconian measures for much worse problems (say, banning all admission to the beach during summer due to the risk of shark attacks) would be grossly inconsistent.
Is it only killings in the streets we need be concerned with though? There are far less dramatic and not at all life threatening implications of a rise in the numbers of immigrants from various cultures and ideologies, that still may be worthy of consideration.
Imagine if we let everybody from the southern us Trump country move up here to Canadia. We would be facing a major cultural problem.
Why should communities and countries and their cultures not have some say over who they invite or allow to join, based on the values held dear by that culture/country?
Imagine if we let everybody from the southern us Trump country move up here to Canadia. We would be facing a major cultural problem.
Why should communities and countries and their cultures not have some say over who they invite or allow to join, based on the values held dear by that culture/country?
PyramidHead
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Again, countries already have policies in place to decide who gets to come in, who they should admit due to their status as refugees, and who doesn't pass muster. Nothing about the current situation necessitates revising those policies. There's actually no such thing as "a major cultural problem" if you have a society where everybody has a voice. If you trust the Canadian system of representative governance, letting a bunch of people with different opinions into Canada should be no reason for concern. If you disagree with what they have to say, vote for people who agree with you and not them.
Elixir
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That's so precious.
How many times have we seen you present your "arguments by counter-example"?
untermensche
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The comment was in response to the idea that France is somehow "doomed".
No this blowback from US terrorism is not good.
I do not support it.
untermensche
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It gave them everything that matters.
Many many ideologies exist in the Muslim world.
ISIS was a very minor problem until the US terrorist attack of Iraq gave it power.
Violence in Europe from ISIS is blowback from US terrorism.
To see it any other way is simply to deny the facts of recent history.