laughing dog
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How do you count the invisible?So the SPLC, which has a financial incentive to over-count, under-counted?
How do you count the invisible?So the SPLC, which has a financial incentive to over-count, under-counted?
OK, so they own it but they can't use it. To relate that back to guns, it would mean that if you shoot someone who's breaking into your house with it, that would be felony murder because he died as a result of your illegal use of a firearm.
Nope--the legality of your possession of a weapon has no bearing on the legality of what you did with the weapon. Legally use an illegal weapon and you'll only be charged with having the illegal weapon. Do a battlefield pickup of a weapon you're not allowed to possess and there won't be charges at all.
But if you steal a car and kill a guy, that’s felony homicide, not vehicular homicide because the death occurred during the commission of a crime. Picking up a gun for immediate self defence isn’t s crime, but illegally using an unregistered weapon would be.
Nope--the legality of your possession of a weapon has no bearing on the legality of what you did with the weapon. Legally use an illegal weapon and you'll only be charged with having the illegal weapon.
True. That's what happened to Bernie Goetz after all - he was acquitted of shooting the guys who were trying to rob him, but was convicted of possessing an unlicensed firearm (NYC has strict gun laws).
It's "SPLC", Jason. The SPLC lists about 1,000 hate groups in the United States as of 2019. They are categorized by type:
Your reading of their data suggests that each of these groups has, on average, between one and two dozen members, depending on overlap. It also says that the only white supremacists we should count are those that belong to official groups recognized by the SPLC, which for analysis reasons makes divisions among groups that ordinary people don't. It also fails to provide citations. It also doesn't account for the fact that small numbers of people can have extreme negative effects on society, especially when they have lots of power and money. It checks all the boxes.
What you established is that they count a lot of groups out there. They also count people which is what I'm using.
The three categories of people lead to less than 10,000 people each in groups of various sizes. Since there are likely people in two or three categories at once, and maybe even in more than one group at a time, we are looking at less than 10,000 people on whole. At worst it could be, if the "less than 10,000" was closer to 9,000 instead of 4,000, and if there is absolutely no double counting then close to 30,000 people total.
And remember, as a money-making venture masquerading as a non-profit, the SPLC has a vested interest in making the numbers appear as large as possible. If they can't find 10,000 white supremacists, even with loose standards and double counting, then it is very unlikely there are more than 10,000.
How do you count the invisible?So the SPLC, which has a financial incentive to over-count, under-counted?
That is entirely the point - the SLPC could not possibly count people who are not members of those organizations or who do not actively participate in their activities.You want me to prove something about people who keep their opinions in their heads and don't share them? How do you even know they are there if they keep their opinions in their head? If you can give me some way to measure hidden opinions, I'll do the research you ask for.
That is entirely the point - the SLPC could not possibly count people who are not members of those organizations or who do not actively participate in their activities.You want me to prove something about people who keep their opinions in their heads and don't share them? How do you even know they are there if they keep their opinions in their head? If you can give me some way to measure hidden opinions, I'll do the research you ask for.
The point is that there is no reason to take the SPLC's estimate is accurate or an upper bound.There's also no way to prove they exist if they don't share their opinions. You are asking me to prove they aren't there. That's proving a negative.
It is on your part.Unless I prove a negative you will assume that there are millions of uncounted white supremacists out there. That's just an assumption.
The point is that there is no reason to take the SPLC's estimate is accurate or an upper bound.There's also no way to prove they exist if they don't share their opinions. You are asking me to prove they aren't there. That's proving a negative.
It is on your part.Unless I prove a negative you will assume that there are millions of uncounted white supremacists out there. That's just an assumption.
Where do you count those who hate themselves for being white?
Where do you count those who hate themselves for being white?
White, cisgendered, straight, 'westen' male is on the defensive these days, unsurprisingly, because he detects threats to his standing, which is being assaulted and eroded on several fronts.