Another Step in Russia's Decent

[barbos]

It has nothing to do with self-worth, I don't know why are you bringing it up. Common sentiment in Russia is that US is responsible for all troubles. And to tell you the truth there is a lot to this theory.

What you said in your second sentence contradicts your first sentence. They are blaming the US for everything that's wrong with them instead of looking to themselves and they are acting out in the hopes that Papa Obama will notice them and give them a hug and let them know that he thinks they're all special snowflakes.

What I'm saying is that they don't need Obama's approval in order to feel special. The only person who's approval they need is the person they see when they look in the mirror.

Edit - By that second paragraph, I meant that they need their own approval. I wasn't talking about getting the approval of the FSB agent who's monitoring them from the secret room behind their mirror. I apologize if that was unclear.

I have no idea what are you trying to say here.

 

[barbos]

Common sentiment in Russia is that US is responsible for all troubles.

Well maybe the Russians should lay off the vodka, get their heads out of their asses, and realize that most of their troubles have to do with the neo-czarist, former KGB-agent dictator they have.

They already realized that long time ago, even with vodka.
Yes, US administration realized that Putin is a neo-czarist, former KGB-agent dictator and decided to change that, hence troubles.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

What you said in your second sentence contradicts your first sentence. They are blaming the US for everything that's wrong with them instead of looking to themselves and they are acting out in the hopes that Papa Obama will notice them and give them a hug and let them know that he thinks they're all special snowflakes.

What I'm saying is that they don't need Obama's approval in order to feel special. The only person who's approval they need is the person they see when they look in the mirror.

Edit - By that second paragraph, I meant that they need their own approval. I wasn't talking about getting the approval of the FSB agent who's monitoring them from the secret room behind their mirror. I apologize if that was unclear.

I have no idea what are you trying to say her.

I'm saying that the Russians' actions of burning books in response to something Obama said, as you claim they're doing, speaks entirely to their own negative sense of self-worth and doesn't say anything at all about Obama's comments.

If they feel the need to act out in response to someone else's criticism, that's because they don't value themselves and and they are centering their identity on other people's opinions of them as opposed to their own opinions of themselves. A mature response to Obama criticizing them would be to say that they like themselves and Obama's positive opinion isn't a thing they require in order to be validated. Flailing around like a bunch of two year olds who missed their nap in response to his statements is a problem internal to themselves, not something that someone else has brought upon them.

 

[laughing dog]

It has nothing to do with self-worth, I don't know why are you bringing it up. Common sentiment in Russia is that US is responsible for all troubles. And to tell you the truth there is a lot to this theory.

What you said in your second sentence contradicts your first sentence. They are blaming the US for everything that's wrong with them instead of looking to themselves and they are acting out in the hopes that Papa Obama will notice them and give them a hug and let them know that he thinks they're all special snowflakes.

What I'm saying is that they don't need Obama's approval in order to feel special. The only person who's approval they need is the person they see when they look in the mirror.

Edit - By that second paragraph, I meant that they need their own approval. I wasn't talking about getting the approval of the FSB agent who's monitoring them from the secret room behind their mirror. I apologize if that was unclear.

Give the Russians a break. After all, what is the harm in burning something you either cannot read or understand when you are cold and living in a shithole? Burning books allows them to release some pent up anger that otherwise might result in violence against innocent people.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

What you said in your second sentence contradicts your first sentence. They are blaming the US for everything that's wrong with them instead of looking to themselves and they are acting out in the hopes that Papa Obama will notice them and give them a hug and let them know that he thinks they're all special snowflakes.

What I'm saying is that they don't need Obama's approval in order to feel special. The only person who's approval they need is the person they see when they look in the mirror.

Edit - By that second paragraph, I meant that they need their own approval. I wasn't talking about getting the approval of the FSB agent who's monitoring them from the secret room behind their mirror. I apologize if that was unclear.

Give the Russians a break. After all, what is the harm in burning something you either cannot read or understand when you are cold and living in a shithole? Burning books allows them to release some pent up anger that otherwise might result in violence against innocent people.

The harm is to themselves. By not taking the opportunities available to process and handle their emotions in a positive manner and instead just act out negatively, they miss out on a chance to mature and grow as individuals. Burning books isn't going to make Obama love them - they need to instead look inside and find a way to love themselves.

 

[barbos]

I have no idea what are you trying to say her.

I'm saying that the Russians' actions of burning books in response to something Obama said, as you claim they're doing, speaks entirely to their own negative sense of self-worth and doesn't say anything at all about Obama's comments.

Your "logic" can be applied to anything. To Charlie Hebdo for example: their anti-islamists cartoons in reponse to islamic terrorism speaks entirely to their own negative sense of self-worth and doesn't say anything at all about islamic terrorism.

I admitted that burning these books was stupid, but that was just one place. They are still using the same books in countless other places including top universities. Yet you seem extend this to all russian people.

If they feel the need to act out in response to someone else's criticism

Correction here, that was not a criticism, that was an observation. Obama observed that Russian economy was in shambles and expressed his joy/satisfaction.

that's because they don't value themselves

Stop repeating this psycho-nonsense.

and and they are centering their identity on other people's opinions of them as opposed to their own opinions of themselves. A mature response to Obama criticizing them would be to say that they like themselves and Obama's positive opinion isn't a thing they require in order to be validated. Flailing around like a bunch of two year olds who missed their nap in response to his statements is a problem internal to themselves, not something that someone else has brought upon them.

This is complete nonsense.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Your "logic" can be applied to anything. To Charlie Hebdo for example: their anti-islamists cartoons in reponse to islamic terrorism speaks entirely to their own negative sense of self-worth and doesn't say anything at all about islamic terrorism.

No, that was a mature response which countered fear with laughter. It spoke volumes about the high sense of self-worth amongst the Charlie Hebdo writers that they could express their opposition to Islamic terrorism in a positive manner.

Correction here that was not a criticism, that was observation. Obama observed that Russian economy was in shumbles and expressed joy/satisfaction.

And you're saying that this was an inciting factor in what led these Russians to book burning. I'm saying that this response on their part is a negative indictment of them, not a negative indictment of Obama.

 

[ZiprHead]

As long as President of United States says "Russian economy is in shambles and it is good" expect sporadic anti-american actions here and there.

Citation?

 

[barbos]

As long as President of United States says "Russian economy is in shambles and it is good" expect sporadic anti-american actions here and there.

Citation?

If you are implying that he did not say these words exactly then you are correct. I don't recall exact words besides "Russian economy is in shambles" and then expressing satisfaction.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Citation?

If you are implying that he did not say these words exactly then you are correct. I don't recall exact words besides "Russian economy is in shambles" and then expressing satisfaction.

Are you talking about the time he said "We have no interest in seeing Russia weakened or its economy in shambles"? You're correct that he totally had his fingers crossed when he said that.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150125/1017327097.html

 

[ZiprHead]

Citation?

If you are implying that he did not say these words exactly then you are correct. I don't recall exact words besides "Russian economy is in shambles" and then expressing satisfaction.

Since it seems to bug you so much I would think you would be able to quote exactly what was said.

 

[barbos]

If you are implying that he did not say these words exactly then you are correct. I don't recall exact words besides "Russian economy is in shambles" and then expressing satisfaction.

Are you talking about the time he said "We have no interest in seeing Russia weakened or its economy in shambles"? You're correct that he totally had his fingers crossed when he said that.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150125/1017327097.html

No, this appears to be Obama's damage control.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Are you talking about the time he said "We have no interest in seeing Russia weakened or its economy in shambles"? You're correct that he totally had his fingers crossed when he said that.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150125/1017327097.html

No, this appears to be Obama's damage control.

So, he said the opposite earlier in some place where someone was listening?

 

[barbos]

If you are implying that he did not say these words exactly then you are correct. I don't recall exact words besides "Russian economy is in shambles" and then expressing satisfaction.

Since it seems to bug you so much I would think you would be able to quote exactly what was said.

It does not bug me too much, I saw it in one of the videos. And then I think I saw it in russian news.
Obama does occasionally and accidentally spill what he really thinks, sometimes it actually makes him look better, sometimes not.

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No, this appears to be Obama's damage control.

So, he said the opposite earlier in some place where someone was listening?

Well, it was official speech.

 

[ZiprHead]

And sometimes being butthurt comes back to bite you in the ass.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Well, it was official speech.

Those are generally done in public and come with quotable phrases so that discussions about them can be based on what was actually said and not on what someone kind of half-remembers might have been said. Was this not the case in this official speech?

The only one I could find with that phrase was Obama saying the exact opposite of what you're claiming he said. I'm not saying that you're wrong about his statements, just that there's absolutely no reason at the moment to assume that you're right about them.

 

[barbos]

Well, it was official speech.

Those are generally done in public and come with quotable phrases so that discussions about them can be based on what was actually said and not on what someone kind of half-remembers might have been said. Was this not the case in this official speech?

It WAS in public, I saw the video, he was talking out of his own head, or ass (depends on your political views)

 

[barbos]

I think this is original
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/busin...-left-russia-s-economy-in-tatters/514671.html

But the video I saw was less formal and he used word shambles I think.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

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[ZiprHead]

From the 1/15 SOTU speech.:

Second, we’re demonstrating the power of American strength and diplomacy. We’re upholding the principle that bigger nations can’t bully the small -- by opposing Russian aggression, and supporting Ukraine’s democracy, and reassuring our NATO allies. (Applause.)

Last year, as we were doing the hard work of imposing sanctions along with our allies, as we were reinforcing our presence with frontline states, Mr. Putin’s aggression it was suggested was a masterful display of strategy and strength. That's what I heard from some folks. Well, today, it is America that stands strong and united with our allies, while Russia is isolated with its economy in tatters. That’s how America leads -- not with bluster, but with persistent, steady resolve. (Applause.)

Not exactly "Russian economy is in shambles and it is good".