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http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/22/europe/brussels-explosions/index.html
Two explosions occurred at the airport Brussels, Belgium on Tuesday.

Federal police at the airport at Zaventem told CNN that "there has been an explosion" and "something has happened."

Dozens of people have been taken on stretchers out of the airport, according to eyewitnesses.
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13 dead.

plus few explosion in metro and some unexploded bombs in the same airport.
 
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That's as many people as die in a fortnight on Belgian roads.

It's all very exciting for the media, and tragic for the families of the victims; but the appropriate response (if you are not a Belgian policeman or soldier) is the same as it is to the road traffic deaths in Belgium. It's not worth a moment of our time to think about it; and by doing so, we encourage repetition of this crap.

Let the cops find and arrest the guilty. Let the public carry on as though nothing happened - that's the most effective defence possible.
 
bilby said:
That's as many people as die in a fortnight on Belgian roads.

It's all very exciting for the media, and tragic for the families of the victims; but the appropriate response (if you are not a Belgian policeman or soldier) is the same as it is to the road traffic deaths in Belgium. It's not worth a moment of our time to think about it; and by doing so, we encourage repetition of this crap.
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I know and agree
Let the cops find and arrest the guilty. Let the public carry on as though nothing happened - that's the most effective defence possible.
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No need for that, ukrainian chief security dude already determined that Russia is responsible.
 
bilby said:
That's as many people as die in a fortnight on Belgian roads.

It's all very exciting for the media, and tragic for the families of the victims; but the appropriate response (if you are not a Belgian policeman or soldier) is the same as it is to the road traffic deaths in Belgium. It's not worth a moment of our time to think about it; and by doing so, we encourage repetition of this crap.

Let the cops find and arrest the guilty. Let the public carry on as though nothing happened - that's the most effective defence possible.
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Generally the public do carry on in this way. However we react, determined individuals will try to repeat these types of attacks.
The death toll is rising at the moment. Hopefully they know the ones who planted this and the locations of the various safe houses.
 
And yet EU is intent on importing millions and millions of Muslims from the Middle East and Africa in addition to all the Muslims that already immigrated there in the last several decades.
Can you think of a more suicidal policy than that?
 
bilby said:
That's as many people as die in a fortnight on Belgian roads.

It's all very exciting for the media, and tragic for the families of the victims; but the appropriate response (if you are not a Belgian policeman or soldier) is the same as it is to the road traffic deaths in Belgium. It's not worth a moment of our time to think about it; and by doing so, we encourage repetition of this crap.

Let the cops find and arrest the guilty. Let the public carry on as though nothing happened - that's the most effective defence possible.
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Yes, the important thing now is people realize that blowing up an airport and killing 30+ people is just not that big of a deal.
 
Derec said:
And yet EU is intent on importing millions and millions of Muslims from the Middle East and Africa in addition to all the Muslims that already immigrated there in the last several decades.
Can you think of a more suicidal policy than that?
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The racist one is scoring up pretty heavily on deaths so far, isn't it? What, really, does this retributory terrorism have to do with religion? It is extremely like the IRA response to English imperialism.
 
iolo said:
The racist one is scoring up pretty heavily on deaths so far, isn't it?
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Islam is a religion (of submission, not peace!) and not a race.
What, really, does this retributory terrorism have to do with religion?
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"Retributory"? Retribution for what exactly? Europe is bending over backwards to appease Muslims these days.
And terrorism is often motivated by religion, and in our modern day mostly Islam. Brussels attacks, Paris attacks, London attacks, Bombay attacks, Bali attacks, Madrid attacks and 9/11, among many others, all committed by Islamic terrorists.
It is extremely like the IRA response to English imperialism.
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It is for one much, much worse than what IRA was up to, and secondly it was also motivated by religion. IRA was Catholic and they were fighting against Protestants.
 
Derec said:
And yet EU is intent on importing millions and millions of Muslims from the Middle East and Africa in addition to all the Muslims that already immigrated there in the last several decades.
Can you think of a more suicidal policy than that?
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No, Europe is not determined on such a course any more than the USA is determined to import people from Latin America.

What has happened, particularly with regard to Syria, is that our old friend Putin has weaponised refugees.

That's why he was bombing hospitals, schools, etc. to encourage Syrians to flee via Turkey to the EU and thereby create internal dissent amongst the EU nations.

With that goal achieved he's now mostly withdrawn from his cynical exploitation of Syria. Most likely he needs the military resources to bully another former Warsaw pact nation for the crime cosying up to the hated EU too much.

Tramp, tramp, tramp...
 
Hickdive said:
No, Europe is not determined on such a course any more than the USA is determined to import people from Latin America.
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So say Germany agreeing to take one million (more than 1% of their total population) Muslim "migrants" in 2015 alone is what exactly?
EU ships rescuing "migrants" and not sending them right back is what exactly?
Greece sending migrants off on their merry way to the rest of EU instead of back is what exactly?
No, EU made a choice in their "migrant" policy and they made a very bad one. Likewise US made a very bad choice in not enforcing our borders and immigration laws for decades and allowing things like "sanctuary cities".

What has happened, particularly with regard to Syria, is that our old friend Putin has weaponised refugees.
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Then enforce the damn borders and don't play into his hands by accepting all these "migrants" (only some of which are from Syria by the way) without any vetting or meaningful restrictions on numbers.
 
If violence could be shown to lead to positive outcomes generally then there might be some argument for it's use. I see no evidence of this in the last 70 years.

But violence that accomplishes absolutely nothing cannot be justified in any way.

This is recognized as a depraved act by everyone.

The only difference is a conclusion about the roots.

Some claim that "religion" is somehow to blame. There are no grievances and nothing beyond religion has led to this.

But I claim the root causes are massive acts of violence; US attack and decade long occupation of Iraq, and State violence by the government of Syria.

Religion is merely a way humans can be mobilized, like "patriotism".
 
dismal said:
bilby said:
That's as many people as die in a fortnight on Belgian roads.

It's all very exciting for the media, and tragic for the families of the victims; but the appropriate response (if you are not a Belgian policeman or soldier) is the same as it is to the road traffic deaths in Belgium. It's not worth a moment of our time to think about it; and by doing so, we encourage repetition of this crap.

Let the cops find and arrest the guilty. Let the public carry on as though nothing happened - that's the most effective defence possible.
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Yes, the important thing now is people realize that blowing up an airport and killing 30+ people is just not that big of a deal.
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Just pretend it's a mass shooting.
 
Horatio Parker said:
Just pretend it's a mass shooting.
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Well then, it's too soon to be talking about working out some kind of response to it while the bodies are still warm. It's wrong for people to be politicizing this event for their own partisan agendas.
 
Derec said:
Islam is a religion (of submission, not peace!) and not a race.
What, really, does this retributory terrorism have to do with religion?
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"Retributory"? Retribution for what exactly? Europe is bending over backwards to appease Muslims these days.
And terrorism is often motivated by religion, and in our modern day mostly Islam. Brussels attacks, Paris attacks, London attacks, Bombay attacks, Bali attacks, Madrid attacks and 9/11, among many others, all committed by Islamic terrorists.
It is extremely like the IRA response to English imperialism.
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It is for one much, much worse than what IRA was up to, and secondly it was also motivated by religion. IRA was Catholic and they were fighting against Protestants.
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The crimes committed by the 'Christian' West in countries with Muslim populations are so much more vicious than those committed in Ireland that the reprisals can be expected to go on much longer, and the extreme right will use this to back nastiness for years too. Mugs will believe this crap - we lived through something marginally similar during the Troubles in the Six Counties. The bullshit gets passed on from generation to generation, as children brought up to 'respect their parents' believe their lies. It is a great lesson in never supporting imperialism.
 
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