Are we now in full blown fascist totalitarianism?

[jonatha]

The image of the left projected to Dr Z by his 'Murkin "friends" is probably as accurately representative of non-MAGAt Americans as The Swedish Chef is, of Swedish culture.

Nah, I have been to Ikea; The Swedish Chef is a 100% accurate portrayal of the guy who cooks the meatballs in the store restaurant.

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How many flatpacks does that come in?

 

[DrZoidberg]

Trump didn't invent the extreme intolerance of the current left. That’s a fact.

What extreme intolerance of the left? Woke on cxampus? Not in real life.

From the 00'ies, gradually increasing with a peak around 2018, the woke agenda, in all society was increasingly more aggressive in it's attitude. Perhaps I'm just an old fart and because of that I have been a witness to the change over time. Just the style of communcation.

But woke on campus is an actual problem with potential serious long term consequences. Because that's where students are supposed to get their well rounded education preparing them for adulthood. Gender theory just isn't. I know plenty of women who did gender studies as a huge part of their entire education. Which is odd for a fringe theory of, what should be, an obscure branch of philosophy, at most interesting for philosophy specialists. It's the same deal with all post modern studies. It's not science. Talking about them as if it is science on par with phrenology, eugenics or scientific racism. All of those pseudoscientific fields of studies led humanity down a catastrophic and dangerous path. So it matters.

The thing with being progressive and liberal is that we tend to win out at the end. That unfortunately has a tendency to create arrogance. Which can go catastrophically wrong when the progressives all hitch their wagons to an issue that is just bonkers.

Let us all not forget that eugenics was pushed by liberal progressives. Same deal with communism. And oddly enough, also the first one of these, the witch hunts. Yes, the original one.

Extreme intolerance is what the right is famous for.

Yes, which is why the latest aggressive wokeness is so out of character.

The 'left' might be intolerent of the right's intolerence.

Not this time.

Nor is the escalating leftist rioting a fantasy.

It absolutly is fantasy. I was at the 'hate amerika TRUMP raliy' today. NO rioting just a lot of noise and flags. The maggots didn't even show up. Escalating opposition, but still no riots.
This IS what democracy looks like.

Oh, stop it. Yes, most people are well behaved and don't do dumb shit. But both of you read the news. The reason we see less of it now than we did 2010 to 2018 is because woke extremism has died down. Woke is dying.

Its not so much a vote for the Republicans, as against the Democrats

That is your problem right there.
You can think the Dems are wrong. But when you think the dems are evil, you've been brainwashed by Murdock and FauxNews.
The Democrats are were just as civic minded as the Repugs. (My ol man was a democrat. On the school board, then town councel, then mayor. He was all about community service.) I say were, till Faux turned Repugs evil in opposition to Dems.
Dems are still civic minded (woke?). Repugs are now the opposit of whatever the Dems are, whatever it may be.
MAGots are too stupid to know the difference between 'Democrat' and 'democracy'. So they are willing to turn their backs on democracy.
Democrats are now evil, so democracy is not as important to them as owning the Dems.
But MAGA got played.

I don't think it's as easy as that. I think all of politics is changing. To put it a different way, we don't like slick well manicured politically correct politicians anymore, with a PR team to hammer home what the polls has told them to say.

I think what voters apreciate today is transparency. We like leaders who have a puls and are undoubtedly alive. We also like politicians who are able to get attention. Politics is increasibly becoming just another form of entertainment.

I think we're in for a generational shift in the style of how politics are done. I think Trump is the future style of politician. I think Biden's or Harris' problem wasn't down to substance. I think it was down to style.

I think Trump won on walk over. Trump was up against a representative of the old system.

Or to put it another way, if you manage to lose to a guy like Trump, then you've seriously fucked up somewhere. This is a guy who bragged in a recording about grabbing pussies. He still managed to win. Twice. Nobody in America is going to vote for a self confessed sexual predator unless they have a strong motivation to do so.

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

To say that there is woke on campus is like saying there is education on campus; it is logically and morally expected to be there.
Would you be happy if a thousand rapes and murders a day happened in your country? If you wouldn't be happy with such then you are intolerant towards murderers and rapists. In civilized countries people are intolerant towards fascism.
Trump is not a new style, he is a very old style that has been around for thousands of years, he is super-establishment in what he represents.
Any new generational shift in style would be away from all the old values he represents (one of which you mentioned - "style" over substance).

 

[steve_bank]

I took a wait and see approach.

Now it seems we are getting there.

If congress does bot prevent Trump from attacking Venezuela without authorization I'd say congress will become irrelevant.

 

[DrZoidberg]

To say that there is woke on campus is like saying there is education on campus; it is logically and morally expected to be there.

I agree.

I don't know how it's over in USA. But in Sweden gender studies have been given way too much space in the educational studies. I know it's the same in the UK. France and Germany are better (because over there it's just philosophy).

It's a question of degree and how much space it's given.

Would you be happy if a thousand rapes and murders a day happened in your country? If you wouldn't be happy with such then you are intolerant towards murderers and rapists. In civilized countries people are intolerant towards fascism.

Lol. That came out of nowhere. How's this statement relevant to what we are talking about?

Trump is not a new style, he is a very old style that has been around for thousands of years, he is super-establishment in what he represents.
Any new generational shift in style would be away from all the old values he represents (one of which you mentioned - "style" over substance).

It used to be a big deal when a president adresses the nation. Trump does it each time he's on the loo. Clearly not posted by a PR team. "Covfefe". That's what's new. And I think people like it.

One of the things people liked about Ronald Reagan was that he was a Hollywood celebrity. Trump has a similar star shine.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not saying that the new style of leadership is better. I'm just acknowledging a shift I can see.

Harris is of the school where the goal of presidential communication is to say as little as possible and to successfully virtue signal. That's a boring and non-transparent way of ruling. I'm a big fan of representative democracy. I think it's probably for the better. I just think that's a dying world.

I think politics will become a popularity contest more than it's ever been.

 

[ZiprHead]

To say that there is woke on campus is like saying there is education on campus; it is logically and morally expected to be there.

I agree.

I don't know how it's over in USA. But in Sweden gender studies have been given way too much space in the educational studies. I know it's the same in the UK. France and Germany are better (because over there it's just philosophy).

It's a question of degree and how much space it's given.

Would you be happy if a thousand rapes and murders a day happened in your country? If you wouldn't be happy with such then you are intolerant towards murderers and rapists. In civilized countries people are intolerant towards fascism.

Lol. That came out of nowhere. How's this statement relevant to what we are talking about?

Trump is not a new style, he is a very old style that has been around for thousands of years, he is super-establishment in what he represents.
Any new generational shift in style would be away from all the old values he represents (one of which you mentioned - "style" over substance).

It used to be a big deal when a president adresses the nation. Trump does it each time he's on the loo. Clearly not posted by a PR team. "Covfefe". That's what's new. And I think people like it.

One of the things people liked about Ronald Reagan was that he was a Hollywood celebrity. Trump has a similar star shine.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not saying that the new style of leadership is better. I'm just acknowledging a shift I can see.

Harris is of the school where the goal of presidential communication is to say as little as possible and to successfully virtue signal. That's a boring and non-transparent way of ruling. I'm a big fan of representative democracy. I think it's probably for the better. I just think that's a dying world.

I think politics will become a popularity contest more than it's ever been.

Still waiting for the links to all the leftist rioting going on here in the US.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Trump is not a new style, he is a very old style that has been around for thousands of years, he is super-establishment in what he represents.
Any new generational shift in style would be away from all the old values he represents (one of which you mentioned - "style" over substance).

It used to be a big deal when a president adresses the nation. Trump does it each time he's on the loo. Clearly not posted by a PR team. "Covfefe". That's what's new. And I think people like it.

One of the things people liked about Ronald Reagan was that he was a Hollywood celebrity. Trump has a similar star shine.

Are you serious? There is no comparison of the two. Reagan could act like a leader... because he could act. Trump isn't an actor. He is a loud buffoon, like Mussolini. Some people react positively to alpha male bullies. But it is a bit more complicated than that.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not saying that the new style of leadership is better. I'm just acknowledging a shift I can see.

Yeah, the problem is, you have no idea what is actually happening in the US. Your view of the transition is skin deep and truncated, at best.

There are two parts to this.

1) The right wing turn far right-wing element has grown tired of being jerked off by the far-right wing media for the last 30 years, to watch them losing what they perceive as the culture wars. From trending away from workplace sexual harassment to PC to woke, the worldview of the place of the white heterosexual protestant male was 'eroding'. 2012 saw the base finally rebel against the GOP as they tried to get anyone but Romney as the nominee. In 2016, they found Trump.

This merges into the second wing,

2) Trump said what the far right-wing media said. And that line has been a transition since the late 1990s, where the GOP has transitioned from sounding like politicians to sounding more like far right media. He is effectively a much worse version of Archie Bunker, and a lot of people like Archie Bunker. And now we have the Speaker of the House sounding like it, trying to play on Trump's success. So in 2024, the GOP is embracing the hate that Fox et al have been pushing instead of fighting it, which in itself it a two pronged deal. A) they see it as politically advantageous B) Trump is dismantling the Executive Branch in such a way, even if the Democrats win in '28, they won't be able to fix it, making the right-wing donors happy.

Finally, Trump won in '24 because of inflation.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Finally, Trump won in '24 because of inflation.

(And that people believed the lie that Republicans are better for the economy). Again.

 

[Elixir]

Finally, Trump won in '24 because of inflation.

For which he was the instrumental cause.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Finally, Trump won in '24 because of inflation.

For which he was the instrumental cause.

No, that'd be the supply choke that led to price increases -> widespread wage increases.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Finally, Trump won in '24 because of inflation.

(And that people believed the lie that Republicans are better for the economy). Again.

Yes to a point. However, if the tables were turned, the Democrat probably would have won.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Finally, Trump won in '24 because of inflation.

For which he was the instrumental cause.

No, that'd be the supply choke that led to price increases -> widespread wage increases.

Not sure if he did anything to help exactly though.

 

[Elixir]

Finally, Trump won in '24 because of inflation.

For which he was the instrumental cause.

No, that'd be the supply choke that led to price increases -> widespread wage increases.

ALL of which was an outgrowth of Trump’s science-denying mismanagement of the COVID pandemic.
Not only did he fuck up any possible early intervention in the US, he created a worldwide popular movement that included “COVID parties” and the like.