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AS DEFICIT EXPLODES, GOP DEMANDS EMERGENCY TAX CUT FOR THE RICH

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Don't be a dick.
you are stating that it's necessary, but no facts are coming forth. not true. Employee-owned businesses function all over the place, as well as family-run and small entrepreneurs' places.
So, stop flogging the lie or pony up studies. that's actually the entire basis of currency, a way to store labor. Without the labor you just have people givong each other meaningless bits of paper.
Like Ben Shapiro said,
no one gives a fuck.

You never ate off a taco truck?
Or at a small pizza place with four tables innthe entire world?
The Rich are not the only source of jobs.
And tgey do not appear to be in danger of going broke.

Now, if this was structured more like farmer relief, say giving money to sick people so they can afford to stay home, rather than go make burgers at McDonald's and spread disease, that might make more sense for the economy than just making the parasites happier.
But this tax cut is not tied to jobs, keeping jobs, or making jobs.
Just graft.

And none of those small businesses allow their employees to own the businesses, Keith. So, it proves my point. There are lots of socialist leftists on youtube and whenever a right winger aks them, "How come you don't allow your workers who edit your videos and produce your videos to own your channel? Why do you take the majority of the profits?" And they stutter and stammer making up excuses why they are acting like capitalists instead of socialists.

 List of employee-owned companies

Acadian Ambulance
Applied Research Associates
Arizmendi Bakery
Bi-Mart
Black & Veatch
Bob's Red Mill
Brookshire Brothers
Carter's Foods
Certain Affinity
CH2M Hill
The Cheese Board Collective
Chicago and North Western Railway - sold to Union Pacific Railroad in 1995
Columbia Forest Products
Dahl's Foods
Davey Tree Expert Company
Dynetics
Ebby Halliday Realtors
Edgewood Management, LLC
Evergreen Cooperatives[1]
Ferrellgas Partners
Food Giant
Frontline Test Equipment
Gardener's Supply Company
Gensler
Graybar
Great Lakes Brewing Company[2]
Greatland Corporation
Harps Food Stores
HDR, Inc.
Hensel Phelps Construction
Herff Jones
Herman Miller
Houchens Industries
Huck's Food & Fuel
Hy-Vee
John J. McMullen & Associates - now part of Alion Science and Technology
Journal Communications
Kimley-Horn and Associates, Inc.
King Arthur Flour
Lampin Corporation[3]
Landmark Education
Lifetouch
Mast General Store
Mathematica Policy Research
Mercedes Homes
Mushkin
MWH Global
New Belgium Brewing Company
Niemann Foods
Oliver Winery[4]
Peter Kiewit Sons'
Phelps County Bank
Price Chopper (New York) (Golub Corp.)
Publix
Raycom Media
Recology
Robert McNeel & Associates
Rosendin Electric
Scheels
Schreiber Foods
Schweitzer Engineering Laboratories
Springfield ReManufacturing
Stewart's Shops
Stiefel Labs
STV Group
Swales Aerospace
Terracon
Tidyman's
Torch Technologies
W. L. Gore & Associates
W. W. Norton & Company
WebAssign
Westat
Wimberly Allison Tong & Goo
WinCo Foods
Woodman's Food Market
 

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It makes absolutely no sense to believe that giving the wealthy another tax break will help the economy. It's never worked that way, but Republicans keep pretending that Laffer was right when he came up with his stupid trickle down nonsense.

The current economic scare is due to a virus which will likely lead to a pandemic, which may very well lead to a global recession due to the potential massive interruption of the global supply chain. The supply chain from China is already being threatened. What happens if people stop going to theaters, restaurants or traveling? What happens if stores are unable to get the supplies that people need? Tax breaks aren't going to help those things.

The world hasn't faced a severe pandemic since the 1918 flu epidemic. We aren't prepared for this right now, and tax breaks to the wealthy aren't going to help. In fact, it makes more sense to put more money into helping the victims of the virus, in the way of providing free health care, and nutrition etc. If poor people don't get help, they might try to go to work when they are infected, which will only aide in the spread of the virus. If jobs shut down due to the supply chain, people will be suffering even more. You can't build a car if you need some parts from China and they aren't available.. You can't sell a medication if the drug company doesn't have all of the ingredients to manufacture it. That's the real problem, not the tax rates of the wealthiest. Trump and company are a bunch of fools! That is painfully obvious. They are infected with greed. They are clueless. But, no worries. The House isn't going to pass a tax break for the wealthiest. :)
 

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Poor people don't create jobs for themselves, Keith. They get them from rich people who open businesses..
i gave you three jobs in my family alone.
Identify three rich people who were necessary for those jobs?

Outliers are not the norm, Keith.

Most everyone works a job where they work for a rich owner, which means it's in the worker's best interest to keep the company going so they don't close and lose their jobs.

You can't have it both ways, Keith. You can't blast the rich for creating all these jobs and then turn around and also blast the rich when the company closes. We see how many people complain when the company goes under. They know they need the rich guy's company to survive at that point.

Half-Life. When someone points out something you didn't think of, rejoice that you have the opportunity to learn something instead of being a fucking moron that just wants to be right about things he doesn't know shit about. You are such the perfect American moron that wants to feed our crops gator aid "cause' it does a body good".
If people that (fail to) think like you were round up and exterminated, America could actually be great again. You are the embodiment of America's failed education system and Trump is the consequence of these uneducable idiots.
 

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Outliers are not the norm, Keith.
but you didn't even say 'most' jobs, did you?
You just offered a blanket truth that does not stand up to scrutiny, nor does it answer anything to the OP. Just a conservative talikng point that pretends to be a juddtification for prostitution.
Most everyone works a job where they work for a rich owner,
but tgey do not HAVE to.
Not all restaurants are national chains.
Not all businesses must belong to a priviledged few.
Co-ops are quite possible, and thus we do not NEED the parasite rich.

But whst does thus have to do with the national debt and the GOP?

Apparently Halfie has never heard of a small business.

I know a couple girls who run a food truck. They're not rich. My son in law started out with one food truck, and it took awhile for it to take off. Now he's got multiple trucks of different types, a catering business, a couple brick and mortar restaurants and an award winning chef working for him. He will likely become rich because of his success, but he started out as a small business owner with debts and dreams.

Having worked for years in advertising, I've met many, many small business owners who are decidedly not "rich." Some of them became successful. Many of the businesses closed.
 

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Whenever someone claims that businesses will hire more people if government lowers their taxes, a question immediately springs to mind: "why would the business wait for a tax cut?"

Imagine for a minute that you're a business owner, weighing up whether or not you should hire more workers. You've worked out how much a new worker will cost you, and how much extra revenue you'll bring in by having them, and it works out to a profit. What an economist might call a marginal profit. So you hire the worker. Your company's tax bill isn't even in the equation.

On the other hand, it hiring that extra worker results in a marginal loss, then you won't hire the worker. It doesn't matter how low your taxes are; if hiring more workers decreases your profits, you just won't do it. Lower taxes isn't going to turn that marginal loss into a marginal profit.

(There are special cases, like cutting payroll tax, where cutting taxes might change the equation, but that's not usually what people are talking about.)

By reducing company taxes, all you are doing is increasing the owner's profits. Maybe you are hoping that they use this extra cash to bring forward some kind of investment that creates jobs, but that isn't even in the picture for many companies, big or small.
 

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And none of those small businesses allow their employees to own the businesses, Keith. So, it proves my point. There are lots of socialist leftists on youtube and whenever a right winger aks them, "How come you don't allow your workers who edit your videos and produce your videos to own your channel? Why do you take the majority of the profits?" And they stutter and stammer making up excuses why they are acting like capitalists instead of socialists.

 List of employee-owned companies

Acadian Ambulance
Applied Research Associates
Arizmendi Bakery
Bi-Mart
Black & Veatch
Bob's Red Mill
Brookshire Brothers
Carter's Foods
Certain Affinity
CH2M Hill
The Cheese Board Collective
Chicago and North Western Railway - sold to Union Pacific Railroad in 1995
Columbia Forest Products
Dahl's Foods
Davey Tree Expert Company
Dynetics
Ebby Halliday Realtors
Edgewood Management, LLC
Evergreen Cooperatives[1]
Ferrellgas Partners
Food Giant
Frontline Test Equipment
Gardener's Supply Company
Gensler
Graybar
Great Lakes Brewing Company[2]
Greatland Corporation
Harps Food Stores
HDR, Inc.
Hensel Phelps Construction
Herff Jones
Herman Miller
Houchens Industries
Huck's Food & Fuel
Hy-Vee
John J. McMullen & Associates - now part of Alion Science and Technology
Journal Communications
Kimley-Horn and Associates, Inc.
King Arthur Flour
Lampin Corporation[3]
Landmark Education
Lifetouch
Mast General Store
Mathematica Policy Research
Mercedes Homes
Mushkin
MWH Global
New Belgium Brewing Company
Niemann Foods
Oliver Winery[4]
Peter Kiewit Sons'
Phelps County Bank
Price Chopper (New York) (Golub Corp.)
Publix
Raycom Media
Recology
Robert McNeel & Associates
Rosendin Electric
Scheels
Schreiber Foods
Schweitzer Engineering Laboratories
Springfield ReManufacturing
Stewart's Shops
Stiefel Labs
STV Group
Swales Aerospace
Terracon
Tidyman's
Torch Technologies
W. L. Gore & Associates
W. W. Norton & Company
WebAssign
Westat
Wimberly Allison Tong & Goo
WinCo Foods
Woodman's Food Market

We are literally talking about someone who actually believes the lie that workers cannot administrate their own work, that they do not have an equal share, despite the necessity of the work they do to make the product.

Now, personally, I think that ownership of a person's means of production ought come as a function of time, and of resources extracted; that there should be a give and take, authority ceded to labor in exchange for extracted value, and that such a change is not particularly burdensome nor immediately impactful.

As you point out, there are many, and many more than you listed, companies that are worker-owned -- and largely successful ones to boot. This outs the lie to the claim that we need some ubermensch asshole to own and parasitize us to be successful.

Of course I suspect that the motivation of such claims are either that someone feels themselves incapable to the task (and some people doubtless are so incapable) or wishes to be the ubermensch owner, or perhaps they ARE an owner and wish to justify their parasitism, if only to themselves. I think it is a rather uncharitable view towards ones fellows, and potentially oneself regardless of who holds it or why.
 

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Of course I suspect that the motivation of such claims are either that someone feels themselves incapable to the task (and some people doubtless are so incapable) or wishes to be the ubermensch owner, or perhaps they ARE an owner and wish to justify their parasitism, if only to themselves. I think it is a rather uncharitable view towards ones fellows, and potentially oneself regardless of who holds it or why.

Don't forget, Halfie wants a system where only workers get citizenship. So to keep the 'job creators' happy, we'd have to define 'i own this' as a form of work. The owner gets work-for-citizenship credit for hiring VPs and managers to run his company, and somehow magically allows them to function because they'd be unable to run the company without the rich owner.

It's a complicated little fiction he tells himself. Hope nobody shines a bright light on it...
 

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It makes absolutely no sense to believe that giving the wealthy another tax break will help the economy.
But Halfie isn't even suggesting that.
ALL he wants is to keep The Rich happy.
It's in our interest as workers that The Rich keep providing all these jobs...

Except.
Most non-chain stores suffer from the big box stores. If we RAISE taxes on the Rich, and Halfie thinks they would, what, shut down the money-making business that made them rich (?!), that might be better. If McD's and Burger King and Wendy's closed, business would increase at Big Bad Wolf's BBQ, and Josh-B-Gosh, and Martelli Pizza around town.
And there would be at least seven empty buildings for some new business to open in, already set up with a freezer and a drive-through.

Halfie might be on to something. We should tax the living shit out of the rich, get them to defensively and punitively close the big-box stores and chains. And watch locals take over the vacuum thus created.
 

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but you didn't even say 'most' jobs, did you?
You just offered a blanket truth that does not stand up to scrutiny, nor does it answer anything to the OP. Just a conservative talikng point that pretends to be a juddtification for prostitution.
but tgey do not HAVE to.
Not all restaurants are national chains.
Not all businesses must belong to a priviledged few.
Co-ops are quite possible, and thus we do not NEED the parasite rich.

But whst does thus have to do with the national debt and the GOP?

Apparently Halfie has never heard of a small business.

I know a couple girls who run a food truck. They're not rich. My son in law started out with one food truck, and it took awhile for it to take off. Now he's got multiple trucks of different types, a catering business, a couple brick and mortar restaurants and an award winning chef working for him. He will likely become rich because of his success, but he started out as a small business owner with debts and dreams.

Having worked for years in advertising, I've met many, many small business owners who are decidedly not "rich." Some of them became successful. Many of the businesses closed.

I highly doubt that your son-in-law allows the workers of his expanding businesses to keep most of the profits while he keeps less of the profits. All the time I hear, "Owners don't do anything! They just pocket free money! They should get less of the profits!" Of course, this claim is untrue. Bill Gates works over 80 hours per week, despite being a billionaire.
 

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Outliers are not the norm, Keith.

Most everyone works a job where they work for a rich owner, which means it's in the worker's best interest to keep the company going so they don't close and lose their jobs.

You can't have it both ways, Keith. You can't blast the rich for creating all these jobs and then turn around and also blast the rich when the company closes. We see how many people complain when the company goes under. They know they need the rich guy's company to survive at that point.

Half-Life. When someone points out something you didn't think of, rejoice that you have the opportunity to learn something instead of being a fucking moron that just wants to be right about things he doesn't know shit about. You are such the perfect American moron that wants to feed our crops gator aid "cause' it does a body good".
If people that (fail to) think like you were round up and exterminated, America could actually be great again. You are the embodiment of America's failed education system and Trump is the consequence of these uneducable idiots.

I don't think it's right to call for the extermination of people just because they disagree politically. Maybe you're a Hitler fan, but that's not what conservatives believe in.

If a Trump supporter said the bold about leftists, you'd be screaming how intolerant they are.
 
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