AS DEFICIT EXPLODES, GOP DEMANDS EMERGENCY TAX CUT FOR THE RICH

[Half-Life]

What you are doing is skating on an ice lake around the crack pretending the crack is not there, Keith.

You insist we need to give a tax cut to the rich so they'll keep making jobs, but your every justification either conflicts with reality or conflicts with another of your justifications.
I'm not the one on thin ice, Halfie.

How many people DEPEND on Apple, Microsoft, and Facebook not closing down, Keith? I'll wait for a response.

 

[Keith&Co.]

What you are doing is skating on an ice lake around the crack pretending the crack is not there, Keith.

You insist we need to give a tax cut to the rich so they'll keep making jobs, but your every justification either conflicts with reality or conflicts with another of your justifications.
I'm not the one on thin ice, Halfie.

How many people DEPEND on Apple, Microsoft, and Facebook not closing down, Keith? I'll wait for a response.

Shitloads.
Now, how about explaining why there needs to be a rich guy in each case, that it cannot be replaced by employee-owned?
I mean, actually explain, not hand waving and mistruths.

 

[Keith&Co.]

What you are doing is skating on an ice lake around the crack pretending the crack is not there, Keith.

You insist we need to give a tax cut to the rich so they'll keep making jobs, but your every justification either conflicts with reality or conflicts with another of your justifications.
I'm not the one on thin ice, Halfie.

How many people DEPEND on Apple, Microsoft, and Facebook not closing down, Keith? I'll wait for a response.

More important, show that if there's no tax cut, the business WILL shut down?

 

[Half-Life]

How many people DEPEND on Apple, Microsoft, and Facebook not closing down, Keith? I'll wait for a response.

Shitloads.
Now, how about explaining why there needs to be a rich guy in each case, that it cannot be replaced by employee-owned?
I mean, actually explain, not hand waving and mistruths.

Because you remove the incentive for innovation if its employee owned. "Why should I invent something? The workers will own it and steal my money!"

 

[steve_bank]

I believe the budget was balanced under Clinton.

The republican hypocrisy is stunning. They have completely abandoned the usual anti democrat position on reckless spending and handing debt down to future generations.

 

[Keith&Co.]

How many people DEPEND on Apple, Microsoft, and Facebook not closing down, Keith? I'll wait for a response.

Shitloads.
Now, how about explaining why there needs to be a rich guy in each case, that it cannot be replaced by employee-owned?
I mean, actually explain, not hand waving and mistruths.

Because you remove the incentive for innovation if its employee owned. "Why should I invent something? The workers will own it and steal my money!"

um, genius, if the bus is employee owned, an innovator is one of the workers who will benefit from an increase in profits.
So, no, that's not a characteristic of employee-owned.
Guess again?

 

[Half-Life]

I believe the budget was balanced under Clinton.

The republican hypocrisy is stunning. They have completely abandoned the usual anti democrat position on reckless spending and handing debt down to future generations.

Because it's common knowledge that "the debt" is meaningless. It's a boogeyman. Republicans raise the debt to pay for things, Democrats raise taxes to pay for things. "The savior" Bernie even wants to raise taxes on the middle class and poor!

No one wants taxes raised, that's why the majority of U.S. states are Republican. Republican states also have cheaper cost of living.

 

[Half-Life]

Because you remove the incentive for innovation if its employee owned. "Why should I invent something? The workers will own it and steal my money!"

um, genius, if the bus is employee owned, an innovator is one of the workers who will benefit from an increase in profits.
So, no, that's not a characteristic of employee-owned.
Guess again?

So you want the employees licking the boots of the original inventors? "You thought of the idea but we get your money! HAHA!"

 

[Keith&Co.]

Because it's common knowledge that "the debt" is meaningless.

then why did Trump make a campaign promise to eliminate the national debt in 8 years?
I mean, obviously it was a lie, but why even suggest this was a proority?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Because you remove the incentive for innovation if its employee owned. "Why should I invent something? The workers will own it and steal my money!"

um, genius, if the bus is employee owned, an innovator is one of the workers who will benefit from an increase in profits.
So, no, that's not a characteristic of employee-owned.
Guess again?

So you want the employees licking the boots of the original inventors? "You thought of the idea but we get your money! HAHA!"

Please outline the chain of thoughts that got you from the content of my post to this bullshit.

 

[DBT]

What you are doing is skating on an ice lake around the crack pretending the crack is not there, Keith.

You insist we need to give a tax cut to the rich so they'll keep making jobs, but your every justification either conflicts with reality or conflicts with another of your justifications.
I'm not the one on thin ice, Halfie.

How many people DEPEND on Apple, Microsoft, and Facebook not closing down, Keith? I'll wait for a response.

These companies need their employees to keep running. They both rely on each other. Both need each other.

 

[steve_bank]

I believe the budget was balanced under Clinton.

The republican hypocrisy is stunning. They have completely abandoned the usual anti democrat position on reckless spending and handing debt down to future generations.

Because it's common knowledge that "the debt" is meaningless. It's a boogeyman. Republicans raise the debt to pay for things, Democrats raise taxes to pay for things. "The savior" Bernie even wants to raise taxes on the middle class and poor!

No one wants taxes raised, that's why the majority of U.S. states are Republican. Republican states also have cheaper cost of living.

Yes, and Trump went into bankruptcy how many times? He says he 'knows how to mange debt'. That means he dumps it on others. The government can not do that.

Tax revenues according to Trump would rise after his tax cuts which it did not, accelerating rate of debt increase.

 

[Elixir]

So you want the employees licking the boots of the original inventors? "You thought of the idea but we get your money! HAHA!"

Please outline the chain of thoughts that got you from the content of my post to this bullshit.

Spare us! We all know that halfie's bullshit is based on halfie's bullshit.
He has never been an owner of an innovative company or he would know better.

In my last company I had the honor of working with and eventually hiring a doctor who had developed a unique and revolutionary device in co-operation with a State University. He and the University shared the patents and inked an agreement with us that ended up being a great thing for all involved, as well as for numerous spec ops personnel, smoke jumpers and even civilian EMS. It is still a cutting edge product today, and is allowing the doc who served as our medical director to pursue further inventions without having to use University resources.

The dynamic is no different for Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates or you name it. Innovate something that allows even a small part of one of those Companies to operate even fractionally more efficiently or effectively and you WILL be rewarded if it is implemented.

Halfie is simply trying to rationalize continuous government bailouts, tax holidays - basically theft - with the "too big to fail" stupidity.
Maybe he knows that Cheato's farm bailouts have now exceeded that Auto Industry bailout, and that the biggest difference is that the Auto Industry bailout money was PAID BACK. Cheato destroyed those farmers' markets and they're not coming back any time soon. That's the model for Trump's "success".

 

[Keith&Co.]

There's the old joke about the efficiency expert that was hired by a major automotive company. He started at headquarters, roaming the building and seeing who did what, looking for duplicate or wasted effort.
He gave his report to the company president and said, 'there's this guy, couple floors down. He's got the rank and pay of a vice president, but i found him sitting at his desk, chair tilted back, feet in the window sill. You gotta get rid of that dead weight.'
The pres nodded. 'I know who you're talking about. That guy once had an idea that saved this company a million dollars a year. And as i recall, he was in exactly that position when he got the idea. He stays.'

Nothing in the story, absolutely nothing, would need to be changed to set the story in an employee-owned company.

 

[ZiprHead]

For Halfie's perusal:


Before the Trump tax cuts___________________________________________________After the Trump tax cuts

 

[bleubird]

Have we forgot about this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_experiment

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Disagree--if more people get the skills for better jobs it will raise the pay for the shit jobs also because you won't have as many people available who can't do better.

(And it will cut down on the number of shit jobs as some will be automated.)

Somebody has to serve tables, cook, clean make beds, etc....not everyone can be doctors, lawyers or entrepreneurs. Doing necessary work should pay well.

In a wealthy nation such as America, nobody should be struggling if working full time.

You're completely missing my point. If more people have higher skills there won't be so much competition at the low end and thus wages will go up.

And expect to see automation reduce the demand for some of those jobs, also.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Everyone should be making enough money to provide the opportunity to invest in their own future. We can't say we have capitalism unless everyone gets to have capital. Just like any of the other isms. Communal ownership for everyone except the elite isn't communism. Government ownership for everyone but the oligarchs isn't socialism. I'm a capitalist and we have to fix our system so everyone makes enough money to have a savings account and has the opportunity to increase their financial security.

Reality check: More people choose not to save/invest than truly don't have the money to do so.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I believe the budget was balanced under Clinton.

The republican hypocrisy is stunning. They have completely abandoned the usual anti democrat position on reckless spending and handing debt down to future generations.

Because it's common knowledge that "the debt" is meaningless. It's a boogeyman. Republicans raise the debt to pay for things, Democrats raise taxes to pay for things. "The savior" Bernie even wants to raise taxes on the middle class and poor!

No one wants taxes raised, that's why the majority of U.S. states are Republican. Republican states also have cheaper cost of living.

It's not a bogeyman, that borrowing has to be repaid at some point. So long as the amount isn't too great politicians can get away with kicking the can, but eventually that doesn't work. See Greece for an example.

And note that while Republican states tend to have a lower cost of living they also tend to have a lower standard of living. A low cost of living is to a large degree an indication that it's not a desirable place to live.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

For Halfie's perusal:


Before the Trump tax cuts___________________________________________________After the Trump tax cuts
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Yup, as usual the people fare better under a Democrat.