Avengers 2: Age of Ultron

[Jayjay]

Good question. Where do the X-Men fit in all of the other Marvel Universe movies?

They don't. Disney doesn't own the rights to X-Men movie franchise currently, so unless they cut a deal with Fox or if Fox's rights expire (not likely that they'd let that happen as long as the franchise stays profitable), no mutants.

Quicksilver is a funny anomaly. Was his name Pietro Maximoff in X-Men movie also?

 

[Jayjay]

I thought

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The Vision essentially hunted down and destroyed all of Ultrons programming from the internet before shutting down his ability to transmit himself into new bodies, thus trapping the "Real" Ultron in his command suit of armour

That's how I understood it.

I also double facepalmed as I realised how stupid it was that Vision didn't just end Ultron, there and then. The only thing that saved Ultron in that moment was his temporary Plot Armour.

If Vision had destroyed Ultron's ability to transfer to new bodies, then the whole point about not letting even one of them escape wouldn't have made any sense. So I presume, Vision only burned Ultron's ability to connect to the internet... whatever that means; it wouldn't be the first time when Hollywood screenwriters are clueless about how the internet actually works.

The last Ultron that survived, was one of the drones and not the big one, right?

 

[Jayjay]

I'm a bit disappointed that Clark Gregg didn't make an appearance. They had enough time to include Stellan Skarsgård and Haley Atwell, but not that guy? Yeah I know he's supposed to be dead to the Avengers, but that's kind of a dick move topull ot the whole Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. series where he's supposed to be alive and everyone knows it.

Some of the one-liners made me chuckle, like Black Widow going "meep meep" or pretty much anything Ultron said. Nice to see Klaw being introduced on-screen, knowing he'll probably be a major villain in the Black Panther movie. A bit dismayed by the convoluted plot points to introduce Vision. First, Jarvis was not dead, but dormant, and somehow subconsciously hacking some sort of hub in Norway to prevent Ultron from launching nuclear weapons, none of which seemed pertinent to the plot at hand and were discarded immediately.

 

[Underseer]

I'm a bit disappointed that Clark Gregg didn't make an appearance. They had enough time to include Stellan Skarsgård and Haley Atwell, but not that guy? Yeah I know he's supposed to be dead to the Avengers, but that's kind of a dick move topull ot the whole Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. series where he's supposed to be alive and everyone knows it.

Some of the one-liners made me chuckle, like Black Widow going "meep meep" or pretty much anything Ultron said. Nice to see Klaw being introduced on-screen, knowing he'll probably be a major villain in the Black Panther movie. A bit dismayed by the convoluted plot points to introduce Vision. First, Jarvis was not dead, but dormant, and somehow subconsciously hacking some sort of hub in Norway to prevent Ultron from launching nuclear weapons, none of which seemed pertinent to the plot at hand and were discarded immediately.

It looks like everyone switched to openly discussing spoilers. I guess the movie has been out long enough that it doesn't matter.

On the one hand, I like that Vision is essentially JARVIS, because I really like the JARVIS character.

On the other hand, it means that Vision's mind was created by Stark instead of Ultron, and that seriously detracts from the whole business of Vision betraying Ultron. The story I was looking for was:

Stark + hubris = Ultron --> betrays Stark
Ultron + hubris = Vision --> betrays Ultron

That part of the story got diluted, then buried under a giant pile of other plot points and character development/backstory.

 

[Jayjay]

Yep, spoiler warnings off. Anyone reading this who doesn't want to be spoiled, stop now.

Vision's mind was created by Stark instead of Ultron, and that seriously detracts from the whole business of Vision betraying Ultron.

The impression I got was that it the transfer from Ultron's mind to Vision's body was halfway through, so he's kind of a half-Ultron, half-Jarvis. But I agree with you that they could have done a much better job at highlighting that.

And what's up with Thanos basically giving the infinity stone away in Avengers 1? Isn't he supposed to be collecting the stones for himself, not handing them out? If his goal was that humans would inevitably use the stone to unleash Ultron, that sounds like a really inefficient way of doing that... I think it's some sort of record that the movie has plot holes so large, that they extend to previous part and yet-to-be-made sequel.

 

[Jayjay]

Anyone know who the chubby old guy (who is not Stan Lee), was in the party scene? I got a feeling that it must have been a cameo of some sort but IMDB listings for "party guests" didn't really ring a bell.

 

[credoconsolans]

Actually no, she had done the work, but it was all theoretical. Thor was just the proof it was actually fact. Thor didn't know shit about it. He just knew its name and what it did. He didn't know squat about HOW it worked. She did.

He explained it to her. He had been educated about it. He comes from an advanced group of aliens that build frigging wormholes. It's total bullshit giving her a Nobel Prize for stealing alien work and passing it off as her own. Jane Foster is a thief and a liar and Sif should kick her ass for ripping off the Asgardians like that. Preferably by tossing her in a pit of mud and then wrestling some manners into her.

He did? All I saw was him drawing pictures showing how they're all connected together. I didn't hear him explain the science behind it at all.

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Some of the one-liners made me chuckle, like Black Widow going "meep meep"

I just saw the movie for the 2nd time. She said "beep beep".

 

[Jayjay]

Some of the one-liners made me chuckle, like Black Widow going "meep meep"

I just saw the movie for the 2nd time. She said "beep beep".

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that still qualifies as a Roadrunner reference, does it not?

 

[credoconsolans]

I just saw the movie for the 2nd time. She said "beep beep".

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that still qualifies as a Roadrunner reference, does it not?

It does if you want it to. To the rest of us, she was just beeping to pretend to have a car horn.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

He explained it to her. He had been educated about it. He comes from an advanced group of aliens that build frigging wormholes. It's total bullshit giving her a Nobel Prize for stealing alien work and passing it off as her own. Jane Foster is a thief and a liar and Sif should kick her ass for ripping off the Asgardians like that. Preferably by tossing her in a pit of mud and then wrestling some manners into her.

He did? All I saw was him drawing pictures showing how they're all connected together. I didn't hear him explain the science behind it at all.

But the Asgardians know all of this science. They established that with Sif on the Agents of SHIELD show. All of this cosmological information is as basic to them as knowing the Earth revolves around the sun is to us. Even if he can't tell her all of the specific details because he forgot his school work centuries ago, he knows the final answers and he has at least a basic knowledge of how to get there and she just needs to fill in the blanks. It's basically the equivalent of being told that there are ten boxes of items and fifty items in total and she has to figure out how many items are in each box. She needs to do math and stuff to get the answer, but it's definitely not a Nobel Prize worthy achievement when she's up against other people who've actually discovered stuff on their own without a cheat sheet.

 

[Underseer]

Yep, spoiler warnings off. Anyone reading this who doesn't want to be spoiled, stop now.

Vision's mind was created by Stark instead of Ultron, and that seriously detracts from the whole business of Vision betraying Ultron.

The impression I got was that it the transfer from Ultron's mind to Vision's body was halfway through, so he's kind of a half-Ultron, half-Jarvis. But I agree with you that they could have done a much better job at highlighting that.

And what's up with Thanos basically giving the infinity stone away in Avengers 1? Isn't he supposed to be collecting the stones for himself, not handing them out? If his goal was that humans would inevitably use the stone to unleash Ultron, that sounds like a really inefficient way of doing that... I think it's some sort of record that the movie has plot holes so large, that they extend to previous part and yet-to-be-made sequel.

I don't think Thanos intended that the mind gem be used to create Vision. I think his intention was to give it to Loki so that Loki could use it to get him the tesseract (the space gem). Needless to say, he's probably really pissed at Loki right now.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Yep, spoiler warnings off. Anyone reading this who doesn't want to be spoiled, stop now.


The impression I got was that it the transfer from Ultron's mind to Vision's body was halfway through, so he's kind of a half-Ultron, half-Jarvis. But I agree with you that they could have done a much better job at highlighting that.

And what's up with Thanos basically giving the infinity stone away in Avengers 1? Isn't he supposed to be collecting the stones for himself, not handing them out? If his goal was that humans would inevitably use the stone to unleash Ultron, that sounds like a really inefficient way of doing that... I think it's some sort of record that the movie has plot holes so large, that they extend to previous part and yet-to-be-made sequel.

I don't think Thanos intended that the mind gem be used to create Vision. I think his intention was to give it to Loki so that Loki could use it to get him the tesseract (the space gem). Needless to say, he's probably really pissed at Loki right now.

Well, Thanos's plan in Avengers makes even less sense than Loki's. Giving away the one Infinity Stone that he had was near the top of his stupid decisions. Why not ignore Loki and just fly to Earth to pick up the Tesseract himself? Guardians of the Galaxy showed that he wasn't "stuck on the other end of space" as Loki suggested, but was close enough to Earth that when the Reavers came here to pick up Starlord, they were OK with not getting paid for the trip just because the guy who hired them was annoying. That suggests that it wasn't a major investment in time to get here. The whole "I'm going to use minions for everything because I'm too busy sitting in my chair right now" idea wasn't a good one.