Baton Rouge

[dismal]

Since ksen says bathrooms are only a big deal to people on the right, and bathrooms seem like a big deal to you, you must be on the right.

So, suddenly you're accepting what ksen says as how the world works?

Well, it's either that or he's impossible to be around.

Besides, it's always fun to accept ksen's arguments at face and see what collisions with reality one must endure to maintain them.

 

[ksen]

So, suddenly you're accepting what ksen says as how the world works?

Well, it's either that or he's impossible to be around.

Besides, it's always fun to accept ksen's arguments at face and see what collisions with reality one must endure to maintain them.

We're like twins. But I'm still trying to figure out which one of us is Danny DeVito and which one is Arnold Schwarzenegger.

 

[Ford]

I am going to use this as a general example, not to suggest anything specific about the Baton Rouge police killer.

Were the original version of the Black Panthers left or right wing - how about the current version (as disorganized as it is)?

What about the KKK or George Lincon Rockwell?

IS the promotion of possible violence if push comes to shove only on the right wing?

Since back before any affirmative action policies that sometimes may have overcorrected into reverse racism it could truly be said that America was both de facto and de jure racist against blacks would the Black Panthers be left wing since they were being defensive against the racist power of the state? The KKK being right wing since they wanted to use the state to oppress blacks further and even joined some police forces and so on?

Where does the Nation of Islam fit in with this left right paradigm?

Would the actions of the Chinese government in Tibet and Xinjiang be considered right wing, even though they are nominally communist? Would that make the Uighur protestors left wing? Cuz, holy shit the KKK would cream themselves to be able to do to blacks what the chinese are doing to the tibetans.

Is Islam as a whole, and Sharia in particular, right wing? But take the movie, "The Siege" would the US government's action that are right wing make muslim's left wing by comparison?

We could ask these questions all day. What about the Cliven Bundy crew and the people who pointed semi-automatic rifles at federal agents during their stand-offs? What about G. Gordon Liddy and his explicit instructions on what part of the cop's body you should aim for? Or how about the Branch Davidians in Waco, who engaged in a gun battle with federal agents before going up in flames? And what about the young Iraq war vet who used that siege as motivation to commit the largest domestic terrorist attack on American soil?

The 90s were a helluva time, huh? Not long after the decade was over, an aging Hollywood actor famously intoned "from my cold, dead hands" as he held aloft a rifle. Was the man who played Moses a left winger?

The sentiment he expressed (a long time slogan of that liberal NRA) is the issue, and while we can go back and forth about who is left and right, the fact is that the folks who advocate "2nd Amendment solutions" carry some portion of the blame for Baton Rouge, Dallas, and similar incidents. The message from these people (and organizations) has for years been that your gun (or arsenal of them) is to be used to not just protect you from criminals, but to be used against government agents whom you think are being tyrannical.


This shooter - left or right wing - took that message to heart.

 

[Angry Floof]

Dogmatism? hahaha! Nice.

Neither gay couples getting married or transgenders using bathrooms is an issue. Not even a tiny issue. It's only the sheer hateful, hysterical pettiness of conservative mouth breathers that anyone even thinks about cakes and bathrooms at all.

Anything to punish others, no matter how childish or malicious or irrational, that is a cornerstone of the conservative mentality in the US.

"Go fuck yourself" is a perfectly appropriate response to your right wing authoritarian follower fear mongering stupid ass response. Unbelievable that anyone would try to pull such flagrant bullshit out of thin air on a board like this. Go fuck yourself, and tell whatever depraved "authority" you hold in that frightened, manipulated little head of yours to go fuck it/his/herself as well.

You should read the book at the link in my signature. Oh, but, you won't, and what's really funny is that the book itself explains why you won't.

Since ksen says bathrooms are only a big deal to people on the right, and bathrooms seem like a big deal to you, you must be on the right.

Do you read? My whole point was that bathrooms and cakes are issues created entirely by right wing nutjobs.

I care about human rights, equality, and not being total dicks to anyone not like us. Is this really that complicated?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Sorry, the left is all about gay wedding cakes, transgender bathrooms and demonizing police now.

You been left behind.

Gay wedding cakes and transgender bathrooms are bugaboos of the Right. I'll give you the police one and just say something about the Tree of Liberty . . . . blood of tyrants etc. etc. etc.

Yeah, you look at the platform for the Democrats, Glass-Stegall, access to public college, $15 minimum wage. The whole wedding cake and bathroom thing isn't anywhere near the top... or the middle. In fact, we were hoping that it didn't need to be in the platform at all because it is settled law. Democrats are against slavery too, but don't harmp on about it because it is settled law.

 

[ronburgundy]

Rage and irrational ideological dogmatism. Which is why the American Left that is abandoning rational liberalism is sounding more and more like the extreme right wing, which is helping to push moderate conservatives to the right and toward racism as an irrational counter-measure to the irrational attack from the left.

I know, I know. A higher minimum wage and health care for all is just crazy talk.

The problem with the growing anti-liberal left in the US is not so much their abstract goals, but their methods to achieve them and the irrational and dishonest arguments they make to support those methods.

The "crazy talk" includes but is not limited to the following:
Racist claims of "white privilege" that presumes privileges and hardships are inherent to skin color, no matter what a person's individual experience and situation is.

Promoting racially discriminatory government policies based upon the racist presumption above.

Denials of the empirical fact of much greater criminal violence among blacks.

Holding up violent criminals as victimized Martyrs and seeking ruin people's lives with baseless accusations of racism fueled murder before any facts support it (and no, that doesn't mean there have not been some cases where such accusations are warranted).

Idiotic assertions against all fact and reason that the job of a patrol officer is not highly dangerous, in order to support claims that use of force is motivated by sinister goals rather than reactions and sometimes over-reactions to rationally based fears.

Willingness to seriously damage a student's life based upon unsupported accusations of sexual misconduct, including ignoring scientific facts about how alcohol impacts cognition and recall, and inventing pseudo-science nonsense that intoxication that falls well short of lack of conscious awareness prohibits the possibility of consent.
Plus, ignoring the logical contradiction between this and still holding an accused responsible when they are also intoxicated. Then their is the manipulative lying about rape rates by using criteria for rape that science and most people (including many research labeled "victims") do not view as rape or a crime.

Refusal to acknowledge that the Islamic religion and the cultures it dominates are closer to 13th century Europe than modern post-Enlightenment western societies. As a result of this, a refusal to acknowledge the very likely dangers posed to communities that get flooded practically overnight with millions of Islamist who are not coming out of attraction to western secular society (and thus don't hold those values), but out of desperation. Note that just acknowledging the dangers doesn't require agreeing with conservative solutions to this problem, but the new left has adopted the right's method of lying about everything that might give them a political edge.

As for universal healthcare and income inequality, the problem is not with these as goals but with the lefts dogmatic unreasoned rhetoric and methods that ignore the difficulties of accomplishing these goals without the many pitfalls they can entail. The mindless "free college" mantra and invalid comparisons to Scandanavian countries made by Bern victims and other leftists shows similar myopic dogmatism.

Just look at our nominee. Woman sits to the left of Karl Marx. Especially with her plan to take ownership of the oil companies and spread the wealth to the Americans. Also, the whole Clinton plan to 'make Americans think like she does or get kicked out of the nation or be reeducated'.

Clinton is not the nominee of the new left. The new left is exemplified by BLM who attacked and slandered Clinton with their nonsense claiming she called all black youth "super-predators", when she said no such thing. Her husband tried to point to those frothing morons that she was referring to people who prey upon and destroy the lives of black people (especially kids) that BLM pretends to care about. Predictably, Bill's efforts were pointless as the BLMers used the favorite tactic of avoiding productive dialogue by screaming and yelling more dishonest nonsense refusing to let Bill speak for fear he'd expose them for the frauds they are.

They are are to the left even of Bernie. Most of them would vote for Che' Guevara if they could (and yes, that is a bad thing speaking to their lack of regard for core liberal principles).

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I know, I know. A higher minimum wage and health care for all is just crazy talk.

The problem with the growing anti-liberal left in the US is not so much their abstract goals, but their methods to achieve them and the irrational and dishonest arguments they make to support those methods.

What seems a bit off here is that describes the Republican Party, a partisan group of people that have no goals other than to remove Democrats from office.

The "crazy talk" includes but is not limited to the following:
Racist claims of "white privilege" that presumes privileges and hardships are inherent to skin color, no matter what a person's individual experience and situation is.

Yeah, you are talking about stuff that isn't at the top of the Liberal political platform.

Promoting racially discriminatory government policies based upon the racist presumption above.

Oi! Yes, that is why more whites gets welfare benefits than blacks? That black unemployment is higher than white unemployment. The blacks are just getting the best of everything. And you folks wonder why we start thinking race is an issue among you, because you keep on bringing it up, every fucking time politicals are being discussed.

I want to talk about a sustainable military set up that protects our interests (doesn't propagate more terrorism) while not bankrupting us. I want to talk about access to health care and higher education. I want to talk about a progressive tax code and employment pay scales that are a tad more sustainable and in line with historical values than they are now.

You want to talk about affirmative action, crime statistics among blacks, rape.

Just look at our nominee. Woman sits to the left of Karl Marx. Especially with her plan to take ownership of the oil companies and spread the wealth to the Americans. Also, the whole Clinton plan to 'make Americans think like she does or get kicked out of the nation or be reeducated'.

Clinton is not the nominee of the new left. The new left is exemplified by BLM who attacked and slandered Clinton with their nonsense claiming she called all black youth "super-predators", when she said no such thing.

The new left? You think the BLM has power? The BLM is going to lead to as much change as the OWS movement did. Fuck! There are racist mofos being elected in Congress under the Tea Party wing, and you are complaining about a "wing" of the liberal side of the spectrum that has very little to no actual political power. Talk about misguided. Are you preoccupied by race so much that you have to make mountains out of molehills?