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So it turns out that 2 years worth of investigating the worst terrorist attack to ever happen on 9/11 turned up just about nothing.

http://news.yahoo.com/gop-led-house-report-debunks-benghazi-allegations-094916309--politics.html

The CIA and the military acted properly in responding to the 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, a Republican-controlled House committee has found. Its report asserted no wrongdoing by Obama administration officials.

Quietly, Benghazi-gate has died.
 
So it turns out that 2 years worth of investigating the worst terrorist attack to ever happen on 9/11 turned up just about nothing.

http://news.yahoo.com/gop-led-house-report-debunks-benghazi-allegations-094916309--politics.html

The CIA and the military acted properly in responding to the 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, a Republican-controlled House committee has found. Its report asserted no wrongdoing by Obama administration officials.

Quietly, Benghazi-gate has died.

Perhaps so; but I predict that loudly, it will stagger on nonetheless.
 
Freepers are, of course, calling this report bull, and are awaiting the investigation by another nutcase to find the Truth!
 
To be fair here, what the conclusions of this investigation led by GOP members indicate to me is that there was a deployed effort to focus on seeking the truth versus giving in to a political partisan mentality which tends to fuel conspiracy theories of all sorts. Those conspiracy theories intended to accuse the other political camp of all sorts of mischief via unsupported and wild speculations.

So, a good point or mark here in favor of GOP members who definitely distinguish themselves from GOP partisans who have no intention to seek the truth and recognize it as truth so that American people can finally move on from all the noisy speculations which surrounded the Benghazi incident.
I think it is important to recognize when the GOP "tree" will produce some good "fruit" while distinguishing them from the rotten fruit. Personally, I am not so blinded by a partisan mentality that I will dismiss it.
 
Freepers are, of course, calling this report bull, and are awaiting the investigation by another nutcase to find the Truth!

Yup.

One of them commented "This is nothing but lies."

So I replied,"Are you saying the GOP are liars?"

The poster didn't comment back.
 
Benghazi is over. The scandal du jour is immigration reform.

It is not over, Gowdy's select committee is not yet done with its investigation.

This report is fair, probably more than fair - which, aside from Sabine, most here have not noticed. Perhaps in the future Administrations will spend less time trying to obstruct such inquiries, attack reporters who question, and needlessly create their own bad PR.

That said, at least a few of its conclusions are dubious. While it seems that the CIA and military did its job, its pretty clear that Susan Rice and other administration officials acted in bad faith - intentionally pushing the idea that it was an American film that caused a spontaneous attack, contrary to known ambiguity in the intelligence. This ideologically driven ("the US anti-Muslims did it") bad faith by her and other administration officials for days afterward fueled the suspicion of a cover up.

Moreover, the report confirms that both CIA security personnel and State Department security agents knew they were ill-equipped and ill-trained and knew well before the attacks that they could not defend the State Department’s facility against an armed assault. In spite of repeated requests from State Dept agents and the CIA for additional resources, their request was given little attention or priority...and never acted on.

This is, of course, a failure of Hillary Clinton's team and accounts for the 'what does it matter' spite.
 
Benghazi is over. The scandal du jour is immigration reform.

It is not over, Gowdy's select committee is not yet done with its investigation.


And the chances that the 8th investigation will turn up something different than the other 7 are pretty slim indeed.

This report is fair, probably more than fair - which, aside from Sabine, most here have not noticed.

It is absolutely more than fair. It was (as almost all the "investigations" into this matter at the Congressional level have been) an effort undertaken out of sheer political motivation. The goal was to find evidence of wrongdoing and lay it at the feet of both the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton should she decide to run in 2016. It was an entirely partisan affair, but even though the hope was that the report could be used as a bludgeon against the "enemies" of America (the current President, in right winger land) it did the opposite of what was intended.

That said, at least a few of its conclusions are dubious. While it seems that the CIA and military did its job, its pretty clear that Susan Rice and other administration officials acted in bad faith - intentionally pushing the idea that it was an American film that caused a spontaneous attack, contrary to known ambiguity in the intelligence. This ideologically driven ("the US anti-Muslims did it") bad faith by her and other administration officials for days afterward fueled the suspicion of a cover up.

Dubious in that they don't fit the right wing narrative of Benghazi as a scandal. The report - again born of a purely partisan motivation - asserted:

...no wrongdoing by Obama administration appointees.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ecc3a300383445d5a90dd6ca764c9e15/house-intel-panel-debunks-many-benghazi-theories


An investigation designed from the get-go to implicate Obama administration officials (Clinton and Rice included) in the "scandal" actually exonerated them.
 
It is not over, Gowdy's select committee is not yet done with its investigation.

And the chances that the 8th investigation will turn up something different than the other 7 are pretty slim indeed.
Actually the chances are that unlike some of the partial investigations by various parties, the last one will pull it together and confirm much, but not all, of the recent report.

This report is fair, probably more than fair - which, aside from Sabine, most here have not noticed.

It is absolutely more than fair. It was (as almost all the "investigations" into this matter at the Congressional level have been) an effort undertaken out of sheer political motivation. The goal was to find evidence of wrongdoing and lay it at the feet of both the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton should she decide to run in 2016. It was an entirely partisan affair, but even though the hope was that the report could be used as a bludgeon against the "enemies" of America (the current President, in right winger land) it did the opposite of what was intended.

So then, a fair-minded report "proves" it had to have been "an entirely partisan affair" undertaken out of "sheer political motivation"? And what would an unfair report proved, in Ford's world...might it be the same thing?

Aside from Ford's head turning logic, the investigations were warranted. It showed that intelligence was poor, that the State department not only irrationally ignored the pleadings of those on the ground, but actually reduced security, and that the administration was infected with group think - to spin a story, perhaps subconsciously, as they wished it to be.

In spite of the cover her ass obfuscations of Hillary Clinton, it is clear that she and her team were incompetent. I am sure Gowdy's committee will more fully explore all these aspects.

Dubious in that they don't fit the right wing narrative of Benghazi as a scandal. The report - again born of a purely partisan motivation - asserted:
...no wrongdoing by Obama administration appointees.

You do know that Congress investigates agency incompetence, right? You don't have to be guilty of wrong-doing to have shown yourself reckless and incompetent.

Rest assured, Gowdy will explore the depths of Hillary's negligence.
 
Just for those keeping count:

9/11 - 3000 dead. Administration attempted to block investigation.
Benghazi - 4 dead.

Huh what?
 
Just for those keeping count:

9/11 - 3000 dead. Administration attempted to block investigation.
Benghazi - 4 dead.

Huh what?

You idiot, how can you ignore the important part of it!

9/11 -- Republican in power. Republicans can do no wrong, don't blame him.

Benghazi -- Democrat in power. Democrats are always at fault when something bad happens. All that's necessary is to prove it.
 
Just for those keeping count:

9/11 - 3000 dead. Administration attempted to block investigation.
Benghazi - 4 dead.

Huh what?

When you bomb a country and help one side against another half way around the world you have no right to expect you wiped out all resistance and can set up shop or an embassy without military of protection for those expected to run the shop. We will never be allowed enough information from this stonewall government to make a reasonable judgement on Benghazi.
 
Just for those keeping count:

9/11 - 3000 dead. Administration attempted to block investigation.
Benghazi - 4 dead.

Huh what?

When you bomb a country and help one side against another half way around the world you have no right to expect you wiped out all resistance and can set up shop or an embassy without military of protection for those expected to run the shop. We will never be allowed enough information from this stonewall government to make a reasonable judgement on Benghazi.
Are you able to recognize sarcasm?
 
I think part of the reason why Benghazi became such a big deal wasn't just because of Obama, but because it was the election year and Romney was losing in the polls. The entire republican machine needed desperately something to grasp on to, and all they had was Benghazi.

After the elections, the circus had gained enough momentum keep going on its own in the Republican mythology.
 
Aside from Ford's head turning logic, the investigations were warranted.


And according to your head turning logic, all these investigations (which have turned up no wrongdoing...repeatedly) are woefully inadequate because their findings disagree with your own personal assessment of Hillary Clinton's relative competence.

Remind me again of your intelligence credentials?


It showed that intelligence was poor, that the State department not only irrationally ignored the pleadings of those on the ground, but actually reduced security, and that the administration was infected with group think - to spin a story, perhaps subconsciously, as they wished it to be.

It states that they subconsciously spun the story? Which page is that on?

You do know that Congress investigates agency incompetence, right? You don't have to be guilty of wrong-doing to have shown yourself reckless and incompetent.

Does the report characterize the actions of the State Department, CIA, or military as "reckless and incompetent?" Again, which page is that on?


Rest assured, Gowdy will explore the depths of Hillary's negligence.

And I'm reasonably certain that when that report fails to find the sinister conspiracy all the other reports have failed to find, you'll no doubt dismiss it as incomplete and latch onto the next investigation. Just one more investigation. And maybe one after that.
 
So it turns out that 2 years worth of investigating the worst terrorist attack to ever happen on 9/11 turned up just about nothing.

http://news.yahoo.com/gop-led-house-report-debunks-benghazi-allegations-094916309--politics.html

The CIA and the military acted properly in responding to the 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, a Republican-controlled House committee has found. Its report asserted no wrongdoing by Obama administration officials.

Quietly, Benghazi-gate has died.

That's just what they want you to think!

People who know how to think for themselves know that this is just part of the elaborate cover-up. Obama used the attack on Benghazi to hide his work on the Secret Weather Machine! The fact that you think nothing was wrong with Benghazi proves that you're part of the conspiracy, or at least covering up for it! Beghazi! Benghazi!!!!!!!!!!!!!

;)

:cheeky:
 
Moreover, the report confirms that both CIA security personnel and State Department security agents knew they were ill-equipped and ill-trained and knew well before the attacks that they could not defend the State Department’s facility against an armed assault. In spite of repeated requests from State Dept agents and the CIA for additional resources, their request was given little attention or priority...and never acted on.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/usmc/msgbn.htm

On 11 September 2012, the Libyan consulate in Benghazi was attacked. The US Ambassador to Libya, J Christopher Stevens, and 3 other Americans were killed in the attack. Initially it was reported that the attack was conducted by protesters angered at a controversial film produced in the United States said to insult to Prophet Muhammad and Islam. While the film may have been the inciting incident, later reports suggested that the attack had been planned and coordinated at a higher level. Reuters, citing Libyan officials, reported that the attack might have been launched by Ansar Al-Sharia. It was later reported by Wired.com's Danger Room that there were no Marine Security Guards or other Marine Assets present at the consulate in Benghazi when the attack occurred. Security was being provided by local authorities and private contractors.

And just to place everything in the right perspective, what type of logistics are involved regarding Diplomatic Security :

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/88396.pdf


To add to the above that the State Department conveys its requests to the DoD based on a list of priority locations. Priority locations being diplomatic facilities storing highly sensitive material/data/information of a classified character.(keep in mind what the primary mission of MCESG Marines is) :

The primary mission of the Marine Security Guard (MSG) is to provide internal security at designated US diplomatic and consular facilities in order to prevent the compromise of classified material vital to the national security of the United States. The secondary mission of the MSG is to provide protection for US citizens and US government property located within designated US diplomatic and consular premises during exigent circumstances (urgent temporary circumstances which require immediate aid or action). All Marine Security Guards are members of the Marine Corps Embassy Security Group (MCESG).
(from the first link)

Meaning that such classified and sensitive material is usually NOT stored in temporary Consular missions such as it was the status of the Benghazi US Consular Mission. Rather in Embassies and Consulates General.That is where the vast majority of the limited military resources known as the MCESG will be assigned. And when I say "limited" I mean it : just about over 1000 Marines covering 174 detachments in some 135 nations.(and I did not deduct the number of MSG Marines stationed CONUS in Quantico , Va.) At the time of the Benghazi attack, there were less than 150 detachments covering 9 regions throughout the world.( an increase of 1000 Marines is expected to be completed by 2016)

What followed the Benghazi attack regarding the increase of Marine Security Detachments :

Changes to Marine Security Guard elements were mentioned as part of testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee delivered by Secretary of Defense Leon E. Panetta on 7 February 2013. Panetta announced that a review of US embassy security procedures conducted in the aftermath of attacks on the US Temporary Mission Facility in Benghazi, Libya on 11 September 2012 had considered how the role, mission, and resourcing of the Marine Security Guards could be adapted to respond to the new threat environment. In Tunis, Tunisia; Cairo, Egypt; Khartoum, Sudan; Sana’a Yemen, the Department of Defense had initiated coordination with the Department of State to expand the Marines' role beyond their primary mission of protecting classified information. The Department of Defense had also subsequently agreed with the Department of State to add 35 new Marine Security Guard detachments, totally almost 1,000 Marines, over 2-3 years, in addition to the existing 152 detachments. The specific locations for the new detachments had not been decided on by that time.



Will the Marine Corps be able to augment its personnel to an additional 1000 MSG Marines? The new school facility in Quantico to support such increase of trainees was completed just this year. The additional 1000 personnel was authorized at the beginning of the 2014 fiscal year, for a duration of 3 years.

The goal to meet, being :

https://www.mca-marines.org/leatherneck/meeting-milestones-expansion-marine-security-guard-program

The logistics involved in covering each and all US Diplomatic and Consular facilities overseas are far more complex than you realize, Max. Failures always occur when dealing with complex logistics. But when it comes to the military, the DoD and SecDef, they are fully dependent on your Congress members to be able to benefit of appropriated funds to be directed to any increase and continuous maintenance of the "troops".

Towards whom, Max, should you point your finger? Do you actually *think* that the "Hillary Clinton team" is the party who had the power to appropriate funds supporting an adequate quota of USMC personnel dedicated to providing diplomatic security across 9 regions? Insuring that each and every diplomatic/consular mission in elevated threats areas would have a detachment of MSG trained and qualified Marines? To include the Temporary Mission in Benghazi?

Why is it, Max, that your Congress members up to that point did not bother looking into the depleted state of military resources dedicated and specially trained for Diplomatic Security?

You tell me....
 
This is just like when the W Admin admitted to WMDs in Iraq. The right-wingers were so committed to it, they still say there were weapons or that they went to Syria, etc...
 
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