They didn't nobly pick a candidate for the betterment of the party, they sold control of the party apparatus to a candidate for cash.
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They didn't nobly pick a candidate for the betterment of the party, they sold control of the party apparatus to a candidate for cash.
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yes but the narrative being played out isn't "the political organization using means other than the vote counts to select a candidate is an acceptable practice, but in this case was misused" to discuss this topic, the narrative is "ZOMG DNC DOESN'T LISTEN TO VOTERS" as if the idea that the DNC or RNC manipulating candidates for their own ends is this new concept that is blowing people's minds.
Hmm, well I generally subscribe to the idea that political parties are private clubs that can choose their candidates however they like. Deals cut in smoky back rooms, dance off, whatever.
The DNC, however, tries to maintain the belief it chooses its candidate by holding free and fair primary elections. And its members seem to want that. So this appears to be evidence they are not living up to their own ideals, if they indeed have any.
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Lizard people secretly control the government!
Hillary is the real traitor who conspired with the Russians! Why isn't anyone investigating her?
What about pizza-gate? Are we just going to let Hillary get away with running a child sex slave ring out of the basement of that pizza restaurant?
You could not possibly be more obvious about your desperate desire to change the subject. Thank you for amusing me.
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It is really an issue of ethics within a party.
A party is supposed to support all the candidates equally. It is not supposed to take sides.
A party that takes sides is a corrupted party.
They are some people who see the Democratic party as this pristine engine for good.
It is a dirty corrupted cesspool.
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Although this short video is from Alex Jones, I believe it should be taken seriously. Because there are actual Bernie supporters shown during the nomination process. And IMO their opinions express perfectly what the sentiment was (and still is today) for a majority of democrats. Furthermore, what Jones says himself about this is highly relevant IMO.
It is well worth your time to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS8gAoJ6GMg
It is well worth your time to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS8gAoJ6GMg
LordKiran
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There were incidents of voter suppression throughout several states in areas that might have favored Bernie.
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But how were voters suppressed in those states? You cannot just state the above and blame it on the Clinton campaign without explaining how.
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Not the Clinton campaign, the DNC.
Truthfully I don't care about Clinton. She didn't win and she's not anyone's problem anymore, but the power structure of the DNC still remains.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/riley-waggaman/its-not-just-arizona-elec_b_9550670.html
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Thank you. That was helpful.
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What makes me the most upset about all this is that people now accept at reality the Russian Meme that the current democratic party is corrupt and secretly conspires to hold down the left wing of the party. The republicans are pure. Like all large political movements, the democratic party has factions. Those factions that have been around longer and are more established have risen to positions of power and have influence. Outsiders and/or minority groups have a higher hill to climb. But it's the exact same way for the republicans! Trump had far more obstacles to overcome in the republican primary from established republicans than Bernie did in the democratic primary. But Russian bots focus on hurting democrats, not republicans. Sad.
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The DNC doesn't run state elections.
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What does "remaining neutral" entail? Some Joe Blow off the street can run for president as a Democrat and the DNC must provide them equal funding as all other candidates in the primary? The DNC must throw equal support to any primary candidate in every manner regardless of past DNC support, electability, etc.?
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Parties shouldn't be providing any money.
Individuals shouldn't be providing any money to individual candidates either. You support your candidate with your vote, not money. That is unseemly.
All candidates should get an equal fund provided by public funding. And by law they can spend no more. This is not about money and what it can buy. Again unseemly.
There can be requirements for a candidate to get money.
But the more the better.
Nothing could be a bigger circus than occurred this last cycle.
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But they can influence them.
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1. It hasn't been proven that the emails were Russia hacked emails. They might have simply been leaked by someone of the democrat party.
2. The emails were released by Julian Assange who has said he did NOT get them from Russia. Of anybody out there, Assange is somebody who is NOT a proven liar like Hillary is.
3. Even if the emails were hacked by Russia, what difference does that matter? Hillary was exposed for what she was (still is) and the emails simply prove what she had written. It would be an entirely different matter if her emails were changed but they weren't. They were simply released to the public.
4. Your Russia meme is not a Russia meme at all. It is a US voter meme based on the character flaws of a lying democratic candidate named Hillary. She is the one who has brought down the democrat party with herself.
So the media is pushing to get everybody freaked out over an alleged Russian interference and collusion with Trump to win the election, with little evidence for it. Apparently all the intel services agree they "hacked the election", but no evidence has been made public, and nobody has suggested they actually controlled the election, and just that they put out some adds or met with a candidate (Even if true, so what?). And at the same time, we have hard evidence that Hillary DID steal the primary, with a deal based on her funding the DNC after Obama spent all its money, and having control over its decisions, the head of it being her cronies, and all this put in place years before the election ramped up and before Bernie put his hat in the ring. She outright bought the primary, set the debate schedule, and demanded her coronation. She failed to win the general, and Bernie may have, so she actually sold America for her own greed. She should get a "worst person of 2016" award.
The corruption here is shocking. Had this been the general election, Hillary would be criminal for doing what she did. But lucky for her it was just a primary of a party that pretends to be what it clearly isn't and doesn't live by any actual principles, in a 2 party system, where everybody screamed to vote for this party and this candidate because otherwise Trump would end the world.
That's a pretty fucked up politics America. You should probably make some effort to fix it. Change the system. Break the 2 party system. Of course you won't, because it is always "not the time for that" and "we can't risk [insert current republican/democrat bogeyman here] win!"
And so now the question is what now? Is the Democrat Party salvageable? Will they keep pushing corruption and continue to shine a spotlight on how bought they are? Or will they reform, make it impossible or punishable to do what Hillary did (stealing a primary with cash), make it transparent, get rid of super delegates, etc? Or id the Democrat Part FUBAR now and are we in for a series of Republican wins until a new party on the left emerges from the ashes?
The corruption here is shocking. Had this been the general election, Hillary would be criminal for doing what she did. But lucky for her it was just a primary of a party that pretends to be what it clearly isn't and doesn't live by any actual principles, in a 2 party system, where everybody screamed to vote for this party and this candidate because otherwise Trump would end the world.
That's a pretty fucked up politics America. You should probably make some effort to fix it. Change the system. Break the 2 party system. Of course you won't, because it is always "not the time for that" and "we can't risk [insert current republican/democrat bogeyman here] win!"
And so now the question is what now? Is the Democrat Party salvageable? Will they keep pushing corruption and continue to shine a spotlight on how bought they are? Or will they reform, make it impossible or punishable to do what Hillary did (stealing a primary with cash), make it transparent, get rid of super delegates, etc? Or id the Democrat Part FUBAR now and are we in for a series of Republican wins until a new party on the left emerges from the ashes?
The Democratic Party is salvageable, but it's only salvageable through angry and pissed off behaviour, the same as how the Tea Party took over the Republican Party. You're not going to be able to "work together" with a group of entrenched oligarchs who are dedicated to the status quo and who are happy limping along as the lesser of two evils.
There doesn't seem to be much of an effort to take over the party, so expect more of the same old milquetoast, half-assed effort next election. Likely with the same result.
There doesn't seem to be much of an effort to take over the party, so expect more of the same old milquetoast, half-assed effort next election. Likely with the same result.