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So the seminal Pulitzer prize winning toilet paper homeless blanket company, NY Post, has broke open Bidengate proving that Hunter Biden set up a meeting between an Burisma biggie and the the world's 92,828th most powerful man, the VP of the United States!

And it took like a few hours for the allegation to breakdown.

Rudy Giuliani, former famed Mayor of New York turned crazy Grandpa, is likely behind this story as he claimed "they have emails" when investigating with his large mob-like buddies in Ukraine.

article said:
Federal investigators are examining whether the emails allegedly describing activities by Joe Biden and his son Hunter and found on a laptop at a Delaware repair shop are linked to a foreign intelligence operation, two people familiar with the matter told NBC News.

The FBI seized the laptop and a hard drive through a grand jury subpoena. The subpoena was later published by the New York Post. The bureau has declined to comment.

The Post, a conservative tabloid, has published a series of stories based on emails the newspaper said it obtained from President Donald Trump’s attorney, Rudy Giuliani. The first story highlighted what it called a “smoking gun email” that suggested a meeting between Vice President Biden and a representative of a Ukrainian company that once paid Hunter Biden. The Biden campaign says there is no evidence the meeting happened, and the story was greeted with widespread skepticism.
Smoking gun turned out to be a ham sandwich.

Okay, set your BS detector to the HIGH setting or you'll blow it. Maybe wrap some foil around it too.
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Questions have swirled around the Post’s account of how it obtained the emails and other materials. The newspaper said they were found on a laptop left in a Delaware repair shop in April 2019 and never claimed. The repair shop owner then took it upon himself to access the private material, the Post said.

The Post said the shop owner, who has been identified as Mac Isaac, called the FBI, and also called a Giuliani associate. The shop owner said he believed the laptop was among equipment left by Hunter Biden, Joe Biden’s son, because a sticker on the laptop bore the name of the Beau Biden Foundation, a charity named after his late brother.
*POP*

Damn it! Those things aren't cheap. Okay, so random computer shop gets an uncleaned laptop from Beau Biden Foundation. A five plus year old laptop is unclaimed (has years of emails on it? no passwords?), so the repair guy goes snooping on it. He finds information and contacts the FBI and then of course... an associate of fucking Rudolph Giuliani? Are you fucking kidding me?! Yeah, one time I was having an issue getting a permit in Cleveland, so I contacted an associate of Giuliani to get things set.
 

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I like the part where the shop owner is blind so he can't say whether it was Hunter that actually dropped the laptop off. :hysterical:
 

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The conservative narrative is currently focused on their perceived persecution by social media corporations: It doesn't matter whether whether the NY Post article is factual; what matters is that Twitter and Facebook have singled out conservatives for censorship, but don't enforce the same standard on leftist news sources. On top of that this narrative is supported by other stories claiming that Twitter shut itself down to prevent the story from spreading. So basically: this story must be true because the evil leftist media are desperately trying to suppress it in order to stop Trump from being re-elected.

This isn't some fringe lunacy, it's mainstream lunacy: the conservative establishment is getting in on the action, too. GOP senators on the Senate Judiciary Committee are supposedly a subpoena to force the Twitter CEO to appear at a hearing to answer for this unfair censorship, It is a clever way to potentially rally potential supporters. I'm sure there are still people out there who are cold on Trump but who can be scared into voting to keep The Left out of power.
 

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I like the part where the shop owner is blind so he can't say whether it was Hunter that actually dropped the laptop off. :hysterical:
The shop owner is blind?!

Oh... "legally blind". My mother is that, she can see, but not very well. Can't drive.

article said:
MacIsaac told reporters on Wednesday that a MacBook laptop was dropped off at his shop in Wilmington, Del., in April 2019. MacIsaac, who said he was legally blind, said that he was almost certain that it was Hunter Biden who dropped off the computer. He said that he made several attempts to get in touch with Hunter Biden but the equipment was still in his hands 90 days after it had been left there, and he said that he became curious about what he’d seen.
So Hunter Biden dropped off a broken laptop, himself, didn't pick it back up. You know, I'm politically savvy, and wouldn't have been able to pick Hunter Biden out of a two man lineup more than half the time.
 

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The conservative narrative is currently focused on their perceived persecution by social media corporations: It doesn't matter whether whether the NY Post article is factual; what matters is that Twitter and Facebook have singled out conservatives for censorship, but don't enforce the same standard on leftist news sources. On top of that this narrative is supported by other stories claiming that Twitter shut itself down to prevent the story from spreading. So basically: this story must be true because the evil leftist media are desperately trying to suppress it in order to stop Trump from being re-elected.

This isn't some fringe lunacy, it's mainstream lunacy: the conservative establishment is getting in on the action, too. GOP senators on the Senate Judiciary Committee are supposedly a subpoena to force the Twitter CEO to appear at a hearing to answer for this unfair censorship, It is a clever way to potentially rally potential supporters. I'm sure there are still people out there who are cold on Trump but who can be scared into voting to keep The Left out of power.
The story that twitter shut itself down: from the Babylon Bee. The BB is basically right wing Onion, and orange dumbo was stupid enough to retweet it! :D :rofl:
 

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You guys are missing the point.

A blind shop owner didn't get the laptop. The Russians did. A blind shop owner didn't get past its security, Russian intel hacked it. Don't think your stuff is as safe as you think....things can often be hacked, if not cracked. And then things that have been deleted can be seen in the background if not overwritten.

This isn't a nothingburger. Actually it is, but it's not a nothingburger YET. It will only be a nothingburger after the election. Think about it. They have emails or allegedly have alleged emails. So why aren't they releasing the contents? Because this is Act 1.

Don't forget that Ghouliani was in Urkaine to make a documentary about Hunter Biden. That the Trump administration tried to use government money to get that Ukrainian govt to announce an investigation of Biden. There was a bunch of work done already and they weren't held to account for the illegal nature of bribing people to go along with their propaganda. So they are going forward with it...

So what else is going to happen next with this story? There will be email drips, quotemines, things taken out of context.

Among the things that are coming will be the following (in no particular order):
  • email drips that goes after moral character so that everyone just accepts the quote-mines. For example, Hunter's choices in porn exaggerated, an affair, emails about drug deals, emails about "money laundering" (taken out of context)...
  • email drips implicating Joe Biden (more out of context stuff)...
  • a full release of all the emails with not enough time to go through them...
  • some Eastern European guy being interviewed by Ghouliani who seems to confirm part of the story...
  • an American being interviewed, probably an "ex-friend" of Hunter's because that is more convincing than a foreigner to some people.

The drips will be timed up to Election Day for maximum impact.
 

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You guys are missing the point.

A blind shop owner didn't get the laptop. The Russians did. A blind shop owner didn't get past its security, Russian intel hacked it. Don't think your stuff is as safe as you think....things can often be hacked, if not cracked. And then things that have been deleted can be seen in the background if not overwritten.
The most unbelievable part of this story? The $85 invoice for the data recovery. Who the hell charges just $85 for data recovery that doesn't include just turning on computer and copying the hard drive to an external?

Among the things that are coming will be the following (in no particular order):
  • email drips that goes after moral character so that everyone just accepts the quote-mines. For example, Hunter's choices in porn exaggerated, an affair, emails about drug deals, emails about "money laundering" (taken out of context)...
  • email drips implicating Joe Biden (more out of context stuff)...
  • a full release of all the emails with not enough time to go through them...
  • some Eastern European guy being interviewed by Ghouliani who seems to confirm part of the story...
  • an American being interviewed, probably an "ex-friend" of Hunter's because that is more convincing than a foreigner to some people.

The drips will be timed up to Election Day for maximum impact.
We'll see. The drips are so innocuous up to now, it really feels like they are trying to kill someone via tiny paper cuts because they don't have anything bigger.
 

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The conservative narrative is currently focused on their perceived persecution by social media corporations: It doesn't matter whether whether the NY Post article is factual; what matters is that Twitter and Facebook have singled out conservatives for censorship, but don't enforce the same standard on leftist news sources. On top of that this narrative is supported by other stories claiming that Twitter shut itself down to prevent the story from spreading. So basically: this story must be true because the evil leftist media are desperately trying to suppress it in order to stop Trump from being re-elected. ...
For people who decry other people considering themselves victims, they are obsessed with what victims they supposedly are.
 

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The conservative narrative is currently focused on their perceived persecution by social media corporations: It doesn't matter whether whether the NY Post article is factual; what matters is that Twitter and Facebook have singled out conservatives for censorship, but don't enforce the same standard on leftist news sources. On top of that this narrative is supported by other stories claiming that Twitter shut itself down to prevent the story from spreading. So basically: this story must be true because the evil leftist media are desperately trying to suppress it in order to stop Trump from being re-elected. ...
For people who decry other people considering themselves victims, they are obsessed with what victims they supposedly are.
Well, yes. Most conservative whining is merely projection onto others.

See, for example, every one of them that posts here. ;) Hypocrisy is their bread and butter.
 

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Damn it! Those things aren't cheap. Okay, so random computer shop gets an uncleaned laptop from Beau Biden Foundation. A five plus year old laptop is unclaimed (has years of emails on it? no passwords?), so the repair guy goes snooping on it. He finds information and contacts the FBI and then of course... an associate of fucking Rudolph Giuliani? Are you fucking kidding me?! Yeah, one time I was having an issue getting a permit in Cleveland, so I contacted an associate of Giuliani to get things set.

Passwords without encryption wouldn't keep a competent computer guy out.

And I can easily see a 5 year old laptop going unclaimed--there's not a lot you can fix on them, it could easily have been a case of repairing it wasn't worthwhile.
 

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You guys are missing the point.

A blind shop owner didn't get the laptop. The Russians did. A blind shop owner didn't get past its security, Russian intel hacked it. Don't think your stuff is as safe as you think....things can often be hacked, if not cracked. And then things that have been deleted can be seen in the background if not overwritten.
The most unbelievable part of this story? The $85 invoice for the data recovery. Who the hell charges just $85 for data recovery that doesn't include just turning on computer and copying the hard drive to an external?

Not unreasonable for simply pulling the drive and copying the data--but that's beyond what an awful lot of users could handle.
 

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Damn it! Those things aren't cheap. Okay, so random computer shop gets an uncleaned laptop from Beau Biden Foundation. A five plus year old laptop is unclaimed (has years of emails on it? no passwords?), so the repair guy goes snooping on it. He finds information and contacts the FBI and then of course... an associate of fucking Rudolph Giuliani? Are you fucking kidding me?! Yeah, one time I was having an issue getting a permit in Cleveland, so I contacted an associate of Giuliani to get things set.

Passwords without encryption wouldn't keep a competent computer guy out.

And I can easily see a 5 year old laptop going unclaimed--there's not a lot you can fix on them, it could easily have been a case of repairing it wasn't worthwhile.

A five year old macbook is still pretty pricey.

A professional repair shop takes in a computer for repair, doesn't get any contact info from the person dropping it off? This stinks to high heaven.
 

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This may come as a surprise, but despite the fact that it was obvious many months that Hunter Biden was corrupt for his Ukraine dealings and that this laptop data is just confirming what I already knew....

Trump and his family are as corrupt and likely even more corrupt than this. So considering that the corruption is roughly the same (generous towards Trump) than well above than normal corrupt Presidents should never have two terms.

My vote is for Biden.

Giuliani is highly connected to the RIVAL faction of corrupt bastards in Ukraine that Biden is cozy with. So who know how this laptop info leak happened.

But it is interesting that there a lot of Jews involved,

 

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This may come as a surprise, but despite the fact that it was obvious many months that Hunter Biden was corrupt for his Ukraine dealings and that this laptop data is just confirming what I already knew....

Trump and his family are as corrupt and likely even more corrupt than this. So considering that the corruption is roughly the same (generous towards Trump) than well above than normal corrupt Presidents should never have two terms.

My vote is for Biden.

Giuliani is highly connected to the RIVAL faction of corrupt bastards in Ukraine that Biden is cozy with. So who know how this laptop info leak happened.

But it is interesting that there a lot of Jews involved,



I am unsure it is interesting. A lot of anti-semiticism in Europe is a factor in Jews becoming connected to and eventually emigrating to the US. If you were talking about Jewish connections to Somalia, I'd find that more interesting.
 

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The Hunter-Ukraine connection has been a political sideshow since the Biden campaign began. It got new voltage this week when the New York Post published what it claimed were emails from Hunter Biden’s laptop suggesting that he had helped arrange a 2015 meeting between his father and a Burisma executive. The Biden campaign denied any such meeting, and its accounts, based on recollections of multiple staff members, are believable. An Eastern European expert in digital forensics who has examined some of the Ukrainian documents leaked to the New York Post told me he found anomalies — such as American-style capitalization of the names of ministries — that suggest fakery.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-truth-behind-the-hunter-biden-non-scandal/2020/10/16/798210bc-0fd1-11eb-8074-0e943a91bf08_story.html
 

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Some alleged emails allegedly were also missing meta data, headers etc. But that can be fixed.
 

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Even if these allegations are true, IMO, they pale in comparison to the breadth and depth of corruption in Mr. Trump and his family's dealing while he was running for POTUS and during his presidency.
 

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Damn it! Those things aren't cheap. Okay, so random computer shop gets an uncleaned laptop from Beau Biden Foundation. A five plus year old laptop is unclaimed (has years of emails on it? no passwords?), so the repair guy goes snooping on it. He finds information and contacts the FBI and then of course... an associate of fucking Rudolph Giuliani? Are you fucking kidding me?! Yeah, one time I was having an issue getting a permit in Cleveland, so I contacted an associate of Giuliani to get things set.

Passwords without encryption wouldn't keep a competent computer guy out.

And I can easily see a 5 year old laptop going unclaimed--there's not a lot you can fix on them, it could easily have been a case of repairing it wasn't worthwhile.
So they pay $85 to get data recovered, but don't show up? I thought I read somewhere it was water damaged. And the Beau Biden group can't handle data recovery itself?

The guy thinks it was Hunter Biden (a guy I wouldn't be able to identify!) who dropped it off, but for whatever reason the invoice is definitely to Hunter Biden?

And of course, he made a copy of the hard drive and gave it to Giuliani's lawyer.
 

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This may come as a surprise, but despite the fact that it was obvious many months that Hunter Biden was corrupt for his Ukraine dealings and that this laptop data is just confirming what I already knew....

Can you outline this corruption cuz I'm not seeing it.

Yeah, Biden took a job where his name was the most important qualification. He needed the money. But I don't see that as corrupt.

And getting in an honest prosecutor could have gone badly for Burisma. The corrupt prosecutor was corrupt because he WASN'T prosecuting corrupt businesses.
 

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I have a hard time believeing that the "undecided middle" care all that much about Ukraine anyway. Most Americans don't. I mean, people are dying over there, and all you get is a rolle of the eyes if you want to talk about it. For that matter, Trump explicitly endorsed the genocide China is committing against the Uighurs, and that hasn't been a talking point even on the Left. We as a nation do not consider non-Americans to be truly human.
 

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Damn it! Those things aren't cheap. Okay, so random computer shop gets an uncleaned laptop from Beau Biden Foundation. A five plus year old laptop is unclaimed (has years of emails on it? no passwords?), so the repair guy goes snooping on it. He finds information and contacts the FBI and then of course... an associate of fucking Rudolph Giuliani? Are you fucking kidding me?! Yeah, one time I was having an issue getting a permit in Cleveland, so I contacted an associate of Giuliani to get things set.

Passwords without encryption wouldn't keep a competent computer guy out.

And I can easily see a 5 year old laptop going unclaimed--there's not a lot you can fix on them, it could easily have been a case of repairing it wasn't worthwhile.

A five year old macbook is still pretty pricey.

A professional repair shop takes in a computer for repair, doesn't get any contact info from the person dropping it off? This stinks to high heaven.

Yeah, as more comes out it looks like the whole thing is faked. They got the e-mails by some illicit means (probably Moscow) and are using harmless stuff as support for the spicy stuff they faked.
 

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Another point I heard today. Hunter Biden lives in L.A., not on the east coast.
 

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Suspect provenance of Hunter Biden data cache prompts skepticism and social media bans

But even supposing no global influence effort existed, the provenance of this so-called leak would be difficult to swallow. So much so that major news organizations have held off coverage, and Facebook and Twitter have both limited the distribution of the NY Post article.

The very idea that a laptop with a video of Hunter Biden smoking crack on it would be given to a random repair shop to recover is absurd. It is years since his drug use and Burisma dealings became a serious issue of international importance, and professionals would long since have taken custody of any relevant hardware or storage. It is beyond the worst operational security in the world to give an unencrypted device with confidential data on it to a third party. It is, however, very much a valid way for someone to make a device appear to be from a person or organization without providing any verification that it is so.

The repair shop supposedly could not identify Hunter Biden, who lives in Los Angeles, as the customer. But the invoice (for $85 — remarkably cheap for diagnosis, recovery, and backup of three damaged Macs) has “Hunter Biden” written right on it, with a phone number and one of the email addresses he reportedly used. It seems unlikely that Hunter Biden’s personal laptop — again, loaded with personal and confidential information, and possibly communications with the VP — would be given to a small repair shop (rather than an Apple Store or vetted dealer) and that shop would be given his personal details for contact. Political operators with large supporting organizations simply don’t do that — though someone else could have.

Even if they did, the idea that Biden or his assistant or whoever would not return to pick up the laptop or pay for the services is extremely suspicious. Again, these are supposedly the personal devices of someone who communicated regularly with the VP, and whose work had come under intense scrutiny long before they were dropped off. They would not be treated lightly or forgotten. On the other hand, someone who wanted this data to be inspected would do exactly this.

That the laptops themselves were open and unencrypted is ridiculous. The serial number of the laptop suggests it was a 2017 MacBook Pro, probably running Mojave. Every Mac running Lion or later has easily enabled built-in encryption. It would be unusual for anyone to provide a laptop for repair that had no password or protection whatsoever on its files, let alone a person like Hunter Biden — again, years into efforts to uncover personal data relating to his work in Ukraine. An actor who wanted this data to be discovered and read would leave it unencrypted.

That this information would be inspected by the repair shop at all is very suspect indeed. Recovery of an ostensibly damaged Mac would likely take the form of cloning the drive and checking its integrity against the original. There is no reason the files or apps themselves would need to be looked at in the course of the work in the first place. Some shops have software that checks file hashes, if they can see them, against a database of known child sex abuse material. And there have been notable breaches of trust where repair staff illicitly accessed the contents of a laptop to get personal data. But there’s really no legitimate reason for this business to inspect the contents of the devices they are working on, let alone share that information with anyone, let alone a partisan operative. The owner, and avid Trump supporter, gave an interview this morning giving inconsistent information on what had happened and suggested he investigated the laptops of his own volition and retained copies for personal protection.

The data itself is not convincing. The Post has published screenshots of emails instead of the full text with metadata — something you would want to do if you wanted to show they were authentic. For stories with potential political implications, it’s wise to verify.

Lastly, the fact that a copy was given to Giuliani and Bannon before being handed over to the FBI, and that it is all being published two weeks before the election, lends the whole thing a familiar stink — one you may remember from other pre-election shenanigans in 2016. The choice of the Post as the outlet for distribution is curious, as well; one need only to accidentally step on one in the subway to understand why.
 

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The Hunter Biden timeline

  • There has never been even a hint of evidence that Hunter Biden did anything wrong. He’s a Washington lobbyist who sits on various boards and had done a few small jobs for Burisma during the Obama administration. The head of Burisma at the time was trying to assemble an “all-star” board of directors and approached Hunter Biden. Was this an attempt to curry favor with the White House? I wouldn’t be surprised. But that has nothing to do with Hunter Biden’s work for Burisma, which he says was mostly about corporate governance.
 

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That the laptops themselves were open and unencrypted is ridiculous. The serial number of the laptop suggests it was a 2017 MacBook Pro, probably running Mojave. Every Mac running Lion or later has easily enabled built-in encryption. It would be unusual for anyone to provide a laptop for repair that had no password or protection whatsoever on its files, let alone a person like Hunter Biden — again, years into efforts to uncover personal data relating to his work in Ukraine. An actor who wanted this data to be discovered and read would leave it unencrypted.

This part isn't exactly right. If his device was 2017 then it would at least be running OS X Yosemite (heh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X_Yosemite), meaning that encryption isn't easily enabled, but instead must be manually disabled. It's beyond unbelievable.

US spies say the Hunter Biden email controversy shows how 'exploitable' and 'grotesquely vulnerable' Trump and Giuliani are to Russian intelligence

https://www.businessinsider.com/spi...liani-vulnerable-russian-intelligence-2020-10
 

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It doesn't really matter if the story is fake news, because it is truthy. It fits into the story that Hunter Biden is a successful career lobbyist from a young age because he is able sell access to his father, a corrupt politician for sale to foreign corporate interests, which also makes them both traitors. It's such an easy story to believe, especially when you add in Hunter Biden's coke habit, which suggests he lacks moral character.

The idea that some blue-collar small-business everyman, who charges a very humble fee for computer repairs, discovered evidence of some international conspiracy and blew the whistle, risking his own safety? What a hero. Forget about the boring forensic details - that is hair-splitting just intended to distract people from the fact that the good guys have caught the Bidens selling out the country to foreigners.

On top of that, the "Ted Cruz is going to subpoena Twitter and Facebook" narrative is going strong. The GOP has found a way to make this bigger than the veracity of the NY Post story; it's now about sticking it to the immensely unlikeable CEOs, who have too much power and who are framed as enemies of the right wing. Even if the NY Post story is exposed as unmitigated bullshit, the real story will be the fact that the leftist media was so quick in crushing it before anyone actually knew it was unmitigated bullshit.
 

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It doesn't really matter if the story is fake news, because it is truthy. It fits into the story that Hunter Biden is a successful career lobbyist from a young age because he is able sell access to his father, a corrupt politician for sale to foreign corporate interests, which also makes them both traitors. It's such an easy story to believe, especially when you add in Hunter Biden's coke habit, which suggests he lacks moral character.

The idea that some blue-collar small-business everyman, who charges a very humble fee for computer repairs, discovered evidence of some international conspiracy and blew the whistle, risking his own safety? What a hero. Forget about the boring forensic details - that is hair-splitting just intended to distract people from the fact that the good guys have caught the Bidens selling out the country to foreigners.

On top of that, the "Ted Cruz is going to subpoena Twitter and Facebook" narrative is going strong. The GOP has found a way to make this bigger than the veracity of the NY Post story; it's now about sticking it to the immensely unlikeable CEOs, who have too much power and who are framed as enemies of the right wing. Even if the NY Post story is exposed as unmitigated bullshit, the real story will be the fact that the leftist media was so quick in crushing it before anyone actually knew it was unmitigated bullshit.
And this is true, I think to a point. Most Americans don't know that Hunter Biden exists. This didn't exist with Hillary Clinton, people knew she existed, so it was easier to make with the Clinton Fndn lies. Hunter Biden sells to the base, not nearly as much to people who can't decide between Trump or Biden or whether people will chose between voting or not voting at all against Trump.
 

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This ridiculous story is falling apart quickly, NY Post Journos themselves are already distancing themselves from it - but it's a really fascinating case study in what a real conspiracy looks like: an extravaganza of incompetence.

It's worth it to take the time to look at certain RW politicians, media heads, Bannon, etc...who are pushing this story and their faces as they gleefully drool over something of which they have no verification (I looked for the alleged verification, there is none), just to see the spectacle in all its moronic glory.
 

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And now Giuliani's ex-pal Cohen is spilling some more beans about Giuliani. Giuliani is a hard drinking drunk who is an easy mark for foreign ops and con men. Giuliani will soon lose all access to anybody worth knowing in Washington when Biden gets elected. He will linger like a dog turd on the front lawn for awhile, occasionally showing up on Faux Nooz to fill a five minute segment for Faux, but he is going to fade away unless he gets into legal trouble for this.
 

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I think I'm going to have to keep this line from the black book thread handy.

It’s what everyone does. It’s what the whole thing is. There is no scam here. It’s grifters grifting grifters all the way down.
 

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I suppose this could be considered an October Surprise in the sense that it's fucking amazing that anyone would consider this to be a viable strategy.
 

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I suppose this could be considered an October Surprise in the sense that it's fucking amazing that anyone would consider this to be a viable strategy.

According to that thread, the Feds have had the laptops since 4/2019. This is definitely the new October surprise.

I liked this reply.

[TWEET]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I just saw a video of Mitch McConnell doing the same & Lindsey Graham & Trump cheering him on.</p>— Suzyque (@LoweSuzyque225) <a href="https://twitter.com/LoweSuzyque225/status/1318037513215254529?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/TWEET]
 

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I suppose this could be considered an October Surprise in the sense that it's fucking amazing that anyone would consider this to be a viable strategy.
As high up as it gets is Trump... and his word is worth nothing.

These people realize there are laws about defamation of character right?

And it seems kind of odd for Hunter Biden to accused of raping and torturing "little" Chinese children. Raping wasn't enough for an outlandish accusation?
 

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I suppose this could be considered an October Surprise in the sense that it's fucking amazing that anyone would consider this to be a viable strategy.

Why can't he be sued into oblivion over stuff like this?
 

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If Bidengate was a spreadsheet, it'd be riddled with circular references errors.

Fox News is citing email posted by the New York Post who, itself refers to the hard drive they claim was on Hunter Biden's laptop as being "purportedly" from Hunter Biden's laptop. WTF?!

Fox News said:
The New York Post initially published the emails and other controversial messages that Fox News has also obtained.
NY Post said:
The email, labeled from Robert Biden — Hunter’s first name — is among a trove of messages, documents, photos and videos purportedly recovered from a MacBook Pro laptop that a Delaware computer shop owner told The Post was brought in for repair in April 2019 and never picked up.
The NY Post link goes to their own story alleging where the alleged information came from!
 

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The other funny thing is that for a drugged out guy, Hunter seems quite lucid in that long couple dozen point email he allegedly wrote.

And I'm not certain why the NY Post, Wayne Root, or Fox News cited his point 20.

from alleged Hunter Biden email said:
To that end they need to know in no uncertain terms that we will not and cannot intervenedirectly with domestic policy makers, and that we need to abide by FARA and any other USlaws in the strictest sense across the board.
 

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If Bidengate was a spreadsheet, it'd be riddled with circular references errors.

Fox News is citing email posted by the New York Post who, itself refers to the hard drive they claim was on Hunter Biden's laptop as being "purportedly" from Hunter Biden's laptop. WTF?!

Fox News said:
The New York Post initially published the emails and other controversial messages that Fox News has also obtained.
NY Post said:
The email, labeled from Robert Biden — Hunter’s first name — is among a trove of messages, documents, photos and videos purportedly recovered from a MacBook Pro laptop that a Delaware computer shop owner told The Post was brought in for repair in April 2019 and never picked up.
The NY Post link goes to their own story alleging where the alleged information came from!

So a Newscorp owned network is confirming a Newscorp owned tabloid.

Subtle. And yes the Murdoch echo chamber is now in full effect.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5HfeElInSs[/youtube]
 

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A Tale of Juxtaposition?

So we have this Business Insider article which appears to link a hard drive that was subpoenaed by the FBI... and was able to link it to an FBI agent that specializations in child porn cases. So this shop was restoring data on some hard drive, found some stuff (the Isaac guy says he didn't find anything like this on "Hunter Biden's" drive) and reported it to the FBI. The FBI then took it and was making a case against whomever was the owner.

Regarding the hard drive, I came upon a ravine and I am wondering and curious if other people have noticed... that the only things that are being leaked from the Hard Drive are emails and photos? Last time I checked, I had a lot more on my computer than emails and photos. Spreadsheets, word docs, games, etc... The word docs are often the source of incriminating information for people that are trying to make illegal money off Ukraine or China. Yet, it is emails and photos. And the photos? Typically phone related shots, not a real camera... that you'd plug into a computer and download the images.

So we one hard drive that does exist and the FBI does have it. But if Giuliani has a copy of it, why have they released no other types of documents (the ones that usually have the incrimination)? They've only released documents that could have been lifted from a discarded or compromised cell phone? The release of the photos has struck me as being trite (embarrassing mostly), but upon further thought, the photos almost seem like a cover. A sort of... we have to have a "hard drive" because how else would we have these photos... and therefore the emails are legit, both in source and content.

So, at least based on the shoddy evidence supplied, is it possible Giuliani is using the subpoena for a real hard drive with absolutely no connection to Hunter Biden in juxtaposition with photos and emails of dubious sourcing and content from a discarded or compromised cell phone that belongs to Hunter Biden. I would hedge to compromised as they could just present a discarded phone as evidence because 'hey, it was discarded'.
 

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I suppose this could be considered an October Surprise in the sense that it's fucking amazing that anyone would consider this to be a viable strategy.

Why can't he be sued into oblivion over stuff like this?
He should be liable. Hunter Biden isn't public.

I don't care if he is public. He's reporting his own supposed observation, he has to know that it's false and that it's harmful.
 

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Regarding the hard drive, I came upon a ravine and I am wondering and curious if other people have noticed... that the only things that are being leaked from the Hard Drive are emails and photos? Last time I checked, I had a lot more on my computer than emails and photos. Spreadsheets, word docs, games, etc... The word docs are often the source of incriminating information for people that are trying to make illegal money off Ukraine or China. Yet, it is emails and photos. And the photos? Typically phone related shots, not a real camera... that you'd plug into a computer and download the images.

I hadn't noticed because it's already obvious that anything being released is completely untrustworthy so I didn't pay attention to what form it took.
 

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GOP pollster Luntz blasts Trump campaign as worst he's ever seen | TheHill
That's prominent Republican pollster Frank Luntz.
... Luntz said Trump’s advisers have “their heads up their asses” if they think Hunter Biden will be a winning issue for them.

“I’ve never seen a campaign more mis-calibrated than the Trump campaign. Frankly, his staff ought to be brought up on charges of political malpractice,” Luntz said.

“It is the worst campaign I’ve ever seen and I’ve been watching them since 1980. They’re on the wrong issues. They’re on the wrong message. They’ve got their heads up their assess. … Your damn job is to get your candidate to talk about things that are relevant to the people you need to reach. And if you can’t do your damn job then get out.”

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“Nobody cares about Hunter Biden … why is [Trump] spending all his time on him?” Luntz asked. “Hunter Biden does not help put food on the table. Hunter Biden does not help anyone get a job. Hunter Biden does not provide health care or solve COVID. And Donald Trump spends all of his time focused on that and nobody cares.”
Which shows what a non-issue this Hunter Biden scandal is.
 

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But again, Trump is Trump... and the functional universe definitely appears to act differently for him. His campaign sucked in '16, except he did fight for the north. He needed a couple fake news stories as well as a lot of stolen emails to help barely win the election.
 

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The FBI has had the laptop since early last year. Funny how it just happens to come out now through the yellow toothed drunk Ghouliani.

(Michael Cohen has said RG is pretty much drunk all the time.)
 

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Speaking of corrupt kids...

Ivanka Trump has had more than her fair share of ethics scandals during the past three and a half years, but the past two days stand out even with her dubious history. The first daughter turned White House Senior Advisor has managed to violate a critical ethics law no less than eight times in just over 48 hours — on Twitter alone.

The Hatch Act bars federal employees from using the power of their official positions to push partisan political outcomes. Apolitical career government employees have faced serious consequences like firing or suspension without pay for violations of the law. But even as President Trump has campaigned on a message of “law and order,” he has allowed more than a dozen White House and senior administration staff to break the law and face no consequences.

Ivanka Trump’s Twitter account lists her official position “Advisor to POTUS on job creation + economic empowerment, workforce development & entrepreneurship” and she regularly uses the account for official government business like promoting Trump administration policy initiatives. The Office of Special Counsel, a small federal agency that enforces the Hatch Act has found that when a government official uses a “Twitter account for official purposes, the Hatch Act prohibits her from using that account to engage in political activity.” Ivanka Trump using her @IvankaTrump account for political as well as government business suggests that she is using government resources like her time, title, and position to boost campaign messages. Many of Trump’s messages definitely cross the line when it comes to using her official position to push a partisan agenda.

Here are Ivanka Trump’s eight recent law-breaking tweets:

Probably should be its own thread but I'm lazy tonight.
 

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It doesn't matter much when this administration breaks laws, as the highest levels of government have tirelessly demonstrated their inability or unwillingness to prosecute this administration for breaking laws. If there's one thing that this presidency has taught us, it's that the powers of the American president are now absolute, with term limits alone remaining as a meaningful check on his authority.

It will be interesting to see how Biden reacts to this revelation; it's said that he's a pretty decent guy. But also that absolute power corrupts absolutely.
 

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GOP pollster Luntz blasts Trump campaign as worst he's ever seen | TheHill
That's prominent Republican pollster Frank Luntz.
... Luntz said Trump’s advisers have “their heads up their asses” if they think Hunter Biden will be a winning issue for them.

“I’ve never seen a campaign more mis-calibrated than the Trump campaign. Frankly, his staff ought to be brought up on charges of political malpractice,” Luntz said.

“It is the worst campaign I’ve ever seen and I’ve been watching them since 1980. They’re on the wrong issues. They’re on the wrong message. They’ve got their heads up their assess. … Your damn job is to get your candidate to talk about things that are relevant to the people you need to reach. And if you can’t do your damn job then get out.”

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“Nobody cares about Hunter Biden … why is [Trump] spending all his time on him?” Luntz asked. “Hunter Biden does not help put food on the table. Hunter Biden does not help anyone get a job. Hunter Biden does not provide health care or solve COVID. And Donald Trump spends all of his time focused on that and nobody cares.”
Which shows what a non-issue this Hunter Biden scandal is.

I have caught some Faux Nooz over the last day. They are flogging this story for all they are worth. Puffing it up big, Big BIG. Biden is corrupt, and this needs immediate main stream media immediately making a big, big deal out of this. We have high ranking intelligent heads in the politicized White House telling Faux this is not a Russian Op, and many expert ex-CIA and ex-FBI telling us, yes, it smacks of a Russian Op heavily.

I suspect there will be an accounting if Biden wins. There is a lot here that stinks.
 

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Breaking now: Mike Pence was arrested in Indiana for nonconsentual masturbation. He turned himself in, and his testimony was "devastating". He told state troopers that he was alone, in his car, and things got "ungodly". Personally, I don't think anything in here can hurt Trump's campaign. It was a long time ago (2018) and most voters will have little sympathy for the victim.
 
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