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A 64-page document that was later disseminated by close associates of President Donald Trump appears to be the work of a fake "intelligence firm."

One month before a purported leak of files from Hunter Biden's laptop, a fake "intelligence" document about him went viral on the right-wing internet, asserting an elaborate conspiracy theory involving former Vice President Joe Biden's son and business in China.

The document, a 64-page composition that was later disseminated by close associates of President Donald Trump, appears to be the work of a fake "intelligence firm" called Typhoon Investigations, according to researchers and public documents.

The author of the document, a self-identified Swiss security analyst named Martin Aspen, is a fabricated identity, according to analysis by disinformation researchers, who also concluded that Aspen's profile picture was created with an artificial intelligence face generator. The intelligence firm that Aspen lists as his previous employer said that no one by that name had ever worked for the company and that no one by that name lives in Switzerland, according to public records and social media searches.

I wonder if these are the same documents the Tucker Carlson team mishandled.

Ad happy NBC won’t let me read the story but just from this clip I can see it’s rife with inaccuracies. First off, it’s “Qyphoon Qinvestigations” and Martin Aspen is a real person. He drives an Aston Martin and this handsome devil’s actual photo can be found in various Target stores in the picture frame section.
 

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So what else is going to happen next with this story? There will be email drips, quotemines, things taken out of context.

Among the things that are coming will be the following (in no particular order):
  • email drips that goes after moral character so that everyone just accepts the quote-mines. For example, Hunter's choices in porn exaggerated, an affair, emails about drug deals, emails about "money laundering" (taken out of context)...
  • email drips implicating Joe Biden (more out of context stuff)...
  • a full release of all the emails with not enough time to go through them...
  • some Eastern European guy being interviewed by Ghouliani who seems to confirm part of the story...
  • an American being interviewed, probably an "ex-friend" of Hunter's because that is more convincing than a foreigner to some people.

The drips will be timed up to Election Day for maximum impact.

Emphasis added.

Here you go:

Hunter biz partner confirms email, details Joe Biden’s push to make millions from China: Goodwin

#1, #2, and #5 have already happened.

Is the Tucker Carlson thing the dump? Maybe it's all they can do if the hard drives are with the FBI. Allegedly. So I think there will be something here over the weekend or Monday with tons of info/dump that is extremely hard to verify.
 

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So what else is going to happen next with this story? There will be email drips, quotemines, things taken out of context.

Among the things that are coming will be the following (in no particular order):
  • email drips that goes after moral character so that everyone just accepts the quote-mines. For example, Hunter's choices in porn exaggerated, an affair, emails about drug deals, emails about "money laundering" (taken out of context)...
  • email drips implicating Joe Biden (more out of context stuff)...
  • a full release of all the emails with not enough time to go through them...
  • some Eastern European guy being interviewed by Ghouliani who seems to confirm part of the story...
  • an American being interviewed, probably an "ex-friend" of Hunter's because that is more convincing than a foreigner to some people.

The drips will be timed up to Election Day for maximum impact.

Emphasis added.

Here you go:

Hunter biz partner confirms email, details Joe Biden’s push to make millions from China: Goodwin

#1, #2, and #5 have already happened.

Is the Tucker Carlson thing the dump? Maybe it's all they can do if the hard drives are with the FBI. Allegedly. So I think there will be something here over the weekend or Monday with tons of info/dump that is extremely hard to verify.
The dog ate my political scandal seemed to be tossing what was left at the wall. They have transitioned to 'why is the fake news not covering our fake news?' Again, this is just working to the base.
 

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#1, #2, and #5 have already happened.

Is the Tucker Carlson thing the dump? Maybe it's all they can do if the hard drives are with the FBI. Allegedly. So I think there will be something here over the weekend or Monday with tons of info/dump that is extremely hard to verify.
The dog ate my political scandal seemed to be tossing what was left at the wall. They have transitioned to 'why is the fake news not covering our fake news?' Again, this is just working to the base.

It's not just the base, they want to make independents and typical non-voters so wary of the Bidens as much as they are of the Trumps so that they don't bother voting or continue to be undecided. That's always part of the goal of the Republicans--keep the votes down.
 

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Right wingers will believe any bullshit.

One month before a purported leak of files from Hunter Biden's laptop, a fake "intelligence" document about him went viral on the right-wing internet, asserting an elaborate conspiracy theory involving former Vice President Joe Biden's son and business in China.

One of the original posters of the document, a blogger and professor named Christopher Balding, took credit for writing parts of it when asked about it and said Aspen does not exist.

Naturally, Tucker Carlson is doing some tremendous backflips on this story.
 

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A 64-page document that was later disseminated by close associates of President Donald Trump appears to be the work of a fake "intelligence firm."

One month before a purported leak of files from Hunter Biden's laptop, a fake "intelligence" document about him went viral on the right-wing internet, asserting an elaborate conspiracy theory involving former Vice President Joe Biden's son and business in China.

The document, a 64-page composition that was later disseminated by close associates of President Donald Trump, appears to be the work of a fake "intelligence firm" called Typhoon Investigations, according to researchers and public documents.

The author of the document, a self-identified Swiss security analyst named Martin Aspen, is a fabricated identity, according to analysis by disinformation researchers, who also concluded that Aspen's profile picture was created with an artificial intelligence face generator. The intelligence firm that Aspen lists as his previous employer said that no one by that name had ever worked for the company and that no one by that name lives in Switzerland, according to public records and social media searches.

I wonder if these are the same documents the Tucker Carlson team mishandled.

Nailed it.
 

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Here's what happened when NBC News tried to report on the alleged Hunter Biden emails

2020 ELECTION
Here's what happened when NBC News tried to report on the alleged Hunter Biden emails
Analysis: Trump complains the media isn't reporting on Hunter Biden's emails. But NBC News met obstacles, including Rudy Giuliani, when it tried.
Image: World Food Program USA Board Chairman Hunter Biden attends the World Food Program USA's Annual McGovern-Dole Leadership Award Ceremony.
Hunter Biden attends the World Food Program USA's Annual McGovern-Dole Leadership Award Ceremony on April 12, 2016.Paul Morigi / Getty file
Oct. 30, 2020, 5:44 PM EDT
By Ken Dilanian and Tom Winter
The complaints from President Donald Trump and his allies have been growing louder as the election approaches: Why isn’t the mainstream media covering the Hunter Biden laptop story?

Trump and his allies say there is evidence of corruption in emails and documents allegedly found on a laptop belonging to Democrat Joe Biden’s son. They say those and other documents show that Hunter Biden used his father’s influence to enrich himself through business deals in Ukraine and China, and that his father not only facilitated that, but may have benefited financially.

But the Wall Street Journal and Fox News — among the only news organizations that have been given access to key documents — found that the emails and other records don’t make that case. Leaving aside the many questions about their provenance, the materials offered no evidence that Joe Biden played any role in his son’s dealings in China, let alone profited from them, both news organizations concluded.

And, although no evidence has emerged that the documents are the product of Russian disinformation, as some experts initially suggested, many questions remain about how the materials got into the hands of Trump’s lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, who has met with Russian agents in his effort to dig dirt on the Bidens.

U.S. intelligence agencies have informed the White House that Giuliani has been in contact with alleged Russian intelligence agents. The FBI has been looking into whether the Russians played any role, and no official has ruled that out.

At the same time, dozens of former intelligence officials have said the story has the hallmarks of a Russian intelligence operation. After the election interference of 2016, the news media is especially wary of doing anything to further an effort by a foreign government to intervene in a presidential campaign.
 

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So basically Trump supporters went out of their way to find child porn, put it on a laptop and frame Hunter Biden for it? Classy.
 

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Here's what happened when NBC News tried to report on the alleged Hunter Biden emails

2020 ELECTION
Here's what happened when NBC News tried to report on the alleged Hunter Biden emails
Analysis: Trump complains the media isn't reporting on Hunter Biden's emails. But NBC News met obstacles, including Rudy Giuliani, when it tried.
Image: World Food Program USA Board Chairman Hunter Biden attends the World Food Program USA's Annual McGovern-Dole Leadership Award Ceremony.
Hunter Biden attends the World Food Program USA's Annual McGovern-Dole Leadership Award Ceremony on April 12, 2016.Paul Morigi / Getty file
Oct. 30, 2020, 5:44 PM EDT
By Ken Dilanian and Tom Winter
The complaints from President Donald Trump and his allies have been growing louder as the election approaches: Why isn’t the mainstream media covering the Hunter Biden laptop story?

Trump and his allies say there is evidence of corruption in emails and documents allegedly found on a laptop belonging to Democrat Joe Biden’s son. They say those and other documents show that Hunter Biden used his father’s influence to enrich himself through business deals in Ukraine and China, and that his father not only facilitated that, but may have benefited financially.

But the Wall Street Journal and Fox News — among the only news organizations that have been given access to key documents — found that the emails and other records don’t make that case. Leaving aside the many questions about their provenance, the materials offered no evidence that Joe Biden played any role in his son’s dealings in China, let alone profited from them, both news organizations concluded.

And, although no evidence has emerged that the documents are the product of Russian disinformation, as some experts initially suggested, many questions remain about how the materials got into the hands of Trump’s lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, who has met with Russian agents in his effort to dig dirt on the Bidens.

U.S. intelligence agencies have informed the White House that Giuliani has been in contact with alleged Russian intelligence agents. The FBI has been looking into whether the Russians played any role, and no official has ruled that out.

At the same time, dozens of former intelligence officials have said the story has the hallmarks of a Russian intelligence operation. After the election interference of 2016, the news media is especially wary of doing anything to further an effort by a foreign government to intervene in a presidential campaign.

Yeah, they're guilty of actually looking for the truth.
 

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I think everyone is being pretty casual with their pronouns. I'm assuming the "They" in Loren's post is NBC and not Giuliani's mob.
 

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So when do the lawsuits start for defamation of character?

After all of this bullshit, they had nothing.
 

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I think everyone is being pretty casual with their pronouns. I'm assuming the "They" in Loren's post is NBC and not Giuliani's mob.

Yeah, I don't see how what I wrote could be interpreted any other way. NBC wants to actually verify the story and isn't being given a look at the actual data so they won't publish.
 

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I think everyone is being pretty casual with their pronouns. I'm assuming the "They" in Loren's post is NBC and not Giuliani's mob.

Yeah, I don't see how what I wrote could be interpreted any other way. NBC wants to actually verify the story and isn't being given a look at the actual data so they won't publish.
They (NBC and the media in general) got hoodwinked in 2016 with the "FBI Indictments" on the Clinton Foundation.
 

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Repair shop owner at center of Hunter Biden saga defends himself

The Delaware computer shop owner at the heart of the Hunter Biden laptop saga has released a video defending himself against allegations that he’s a “Russian hacker” or spy.

John Paul Mac Isaac said he was “hired, never paid” to transfer information from a MacBook Pro to an external hard drive — which was later found to contain bombshell emails about Hunter Biden’s overseas business dealings.

“For two generations, the Mac Isaac family has fought for the entirety of the Cold War against communism in the ’70s,” Mac Isaac says in a 3-minute YouTube video titled “The truth” and posted Dec. 5.

“That’s why it’s completely absurd that why anyone would ever consider me to be a Russian agent or influenced by Russians. I am proud of my family, I’m proud of my country. I am proud to be an American.”

Mac Issac turned over a copy of the laptop to Rudy Giuliani’s lawyer, Bob Costello, after it and the external hard drive were seized by the FBI last year.
 

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I wasn't aware people were still talking about him.

They weren't, that's the problem. Poor guy is disappointed that his fifteen minutes of fame really did only last fifteen minutes.

Also it is possible that "come do business with me, I'll break into your computer and sell your hacked secrets to the press" wasn't the brilliant free marketing campaign he imagined it would be!
 

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I wasn't aware people were still talking about him.

They weren't, that's the problem. Poor guy is disappointed that his fifteen minutes of fame really did only last fifteen minutes.

Also it is possible that "come do business with me, I'll break into your computer and sell your hacked secrets to the press" wasn't the brilliant free marketing campaign he imagined it would be!

Of course, the way Rudy sold it to him, it was supposed to be, "Come do business with the computer genius who took down Biden, and foiled the plot to depose Trump. MAGA!"
 

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Repair shop owner at center of Hunter Biden saga defends himself

The Delaware computer shop owner at the heart of the Hunter Biden laptop saga has released a video defending himself against allegations that he’s a “Russian hacker” or spy.

John Paul Mac Isaac said he was “hired, never paid” to transfer information from a MacBook Pro to an external hard drive — which was later found to contain bombshell emails about Hunter Biden’s overseas business dealings.

“For two generations, the Mac Isaac family has fought for the entirety of the Cold War against communism in the ’70s,” Mac Isaac says in a 3-minute YouTube video titled “The truth” and posted Dec. 5.

“That’s why it’s completely absurd that why anyone would ever consider me to be a Russian agent or influenced by Russians. I am proud of my family, I’m proud of my country. I am proud to be an American.”

Mac Issac turned over a copy of the laptop to Rudy Giuliani’s lawyer, Bob Costello, after it and the external hard drive were seized by the FBI last year.

:rofl: I'd like to know who was making that accusation.
 

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Uh oh...

The New York Times Belatedly Admits the Emails on Hunter Biden's Abandoned Laptop Are Real and Newsworthy

Yesterday The New York Times published a story that quotes emails from a laptop that Hunter Biden, President Joe Biden's son, abandoned at a computer repair shop in Delaware. The messages reinforce the impression that Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company that reportedly paid the younger Biden $50,000 a month to serve on its board, expected him to use his influence with his father for the company's benefit—an allegation that figured prominently in the scandal that led to Donald Trump's impeachment for pressuring the Ukrainian government to announce a Biden-Burisma corruption investigation. The messages include evidence that Hunter Biden arranged an April 2015 meeting between his father, then the vice president, and a Burisma executive.

If all that sounds familiar, it's because the New York Post first reported this eyebrow-raising information back in October 2020, a month before the presidential election. Pro-Biden, anti-Trump journalists, including several at the Times, portrayed the Post's story as unsubstantiated at best. Politico reported that "more than 50 former senior intelligence officials" believed the emails had "all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation." Some journalists suggested it was reckless even to acknowledge the Post's report. Twitter, which initially blocked links to the article, seemed to agree. While the Times did not ignore the story, the paper's coverage treated it with skepticism and disdain.

But that was then. A year and a half later, the Times thinks the emails it viewed as suspect before Joe Biden's election are now newsworthy. "People familiar" with a federal investigation of Hunter Biden, it reports, "said prosecutors had examined emails" between him, his former business partner Devon Archer, "and others" regarding "Burisma and other foreign business activity." Those emails "were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop." The messages "were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation."

Reading through this thread, it seems some people here might be eating crow with a side of mashed potatoes for dinner tonight.
 

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Uh oh...

The New York Times Belatedly Admits the Emails on Hunter Biden's Abandoned Laptop Are Real and Newsworthy

Yesterday The New York Times published a story that quotes emails from a laptop that Hunter Biden, President Joe Biden's son, abandoned at a computer repair shop in Delaware. The messages reinforce the impression that Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company that reportedly paid the younger Biden $50,000 a month to serve on its board, expected him to use his influence with his father for the company's benefit—an allegation that figured prominently in the scandal that led to Donald Trump's impeachment for pressuring the Ukrainian government to announce a Biden-Burisma corruption investigation. The messages include evidence that Hunter Biden arranged an April 2015 meeting between his father, then the vice president, and a Burisma executive.

If all that sounds familiar, it's because the New York Post first reported this eyebrow-raising information back in October 2020, a month before the presidential election. Pro-Biden, anti-Trump journalists, including several at the Times, portrayed the Post's story as unsubstantiated at best. Politico reported that "more than 50 former senior intelligence officials" believed the emails had "all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation." Some journalists suggested it was reckless even to acknowledge the Post's report. Twitter, which initially blocked links to the article, seemed to agree. While the Times did not ignore the story, the paper's coverage treated it with skepticism and disdain.

But that was then. A year and a half later, the Times thinks the emails it viewed as suspect before Joe Biden's election are now newsworthy. "People familiar" with a federal investigation of Hunter Biden, it reports, "said prosecutors had examined emails" between him, his former business partner Devon Archer, "and others" regarding "Burisma and other foreign business activity." Those emails "were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop." The messages "were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation."

Reading through this thread, it seems some people here might be eating crow with a side of mashed potatoes for dinner tonight.

But why do we think it's real in the first place?
 

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The New York Times Belatedly Admits the Emails on Hunter Biden's Abandoned Laptop Are Real and Newsworthy

Yesterday The New York Times published a story that quotes emails from a laptop that Hunter Biden, President Joe Biden's son, abandoned at a computer repair shop in Delaware. The messages reinforce the impression that Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company that reportedly paid the younger Biden $50,000 a month to serve on its board, expected him to use his influence with his father for the company's benefit—an allegation that figured prominently in the scandal that led to Donald Trump's impeachment for pressuring the Ukrainian government to announce a Biden-Burisma corruption investigation. The messages include evidence that Hunter Biden arranged an April 2015 meeting between his father, then the vice president, and a Burisma executive.

If all that sounds familiar, it's because the New York Post first reported this eyebrow-raising information back in October 2020, a month before the presidential election. Pro-Biden, anti-Trump journalists, including several at the Times, portrayed the Post's story as unsubstantiated at best. Politico reported that "more than 50 former senior intelligence officials" believed the emails had "all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation." Some journalists suggested it was reckless even to acknowledge the Post's report. Twitter, which initially blocked links to the article, seemed to agree. While the Times did not ignore the story, the paper's coverage treated it with skepticism and disdain.

But that was then. A year and a half later, the Times thinks the emails it viewed as suspect before Joe Biden's election are now newsworthy. "People familiar" with a federal investigation of Hunter Biden, it reports, "said prosecutors had examined emails" between him, his former business partner Devon Archer, "and others" regarding "Burisma and other foreign business activity." Those emails "were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop." The messages "were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation."

Reading through this thread, it seems some people here might be eating crow with a side of mashed potatoes for dinner tonight.
Holy shit am I embarrassed. I feel very bad about voting for Hunter Biden in 2020. Thanks for the update..... Oh shit, just realized that I didn't vote for Hunter!

Seriously Beave! I respect your opinion. Why should I spend precious time of mine getting worked up about Hunter Biden? Why should I care? I'm not surprised at all that he's probably done some seriously sleazy shit. Probably the vast majority of kids from politicians are sleazy. But why does it matter to me? Fox news and Washington Post are getting worked up about this issue again. And seriously, I'm a little bored this weekend. Can't ski because it's raining! So I googled "Why should the Hunter Biden laptop matter to me?" And I got nothing! So please help me Beave: why should I care about Hunter?
 

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Waddabout Ivanka?
Waddabout Junior?
Waddabout ERIc?????
 

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Are there any emails from Hunter saying he would actually do what Burisma wanted him to do?

And how do we know these emails are legitimate? These computers passed through many hands before getting to the FBI.
 

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Uh oh...

The New York Times Belatedly Admits the Emails on Hunter Biden's Abandoned Laptop Are Real and Newsworthy

Yesterday The New York Times published a story that quotes emails from a laptop that Hunter Biden, President Joe Biden's son, abandoned at a computer repair shop in Delaware. The messages reinforce the impression that Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company that reportedly paid the younger Biden $50,000 a month to serve on its board, expected him to use his influence with his father for the company's benefit—an allegation that figured prominently in the scandal that led to Donald Trump's impeachment for pressuring the Ukrainian government to announce a Biden-Burisma corruption investigation. The messages include evidence that Hunter Biden arranged an April 2015 meeting between his father, then the vice president, and a Burisma executive.

If all that sounds familiar, it's because the New York Post first reported this eyebrow-raising information back in October 2020, a month before the presidential election. Pro-Biden, anti-Trump journalists, including several at the Times, portrayed the Post's story as unsubstantiated at best. Politico reported that "more than 50 former senior intelligence officials" believed the emails had "all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation." Some journalists suggested it was reckless even to acknowledge the Post's report. Twitter, which initially blocked links to the article, seemed to agree. While the Times did not ignore the story, the paper's coverage treated it with skepticism and disdain.

But that was then. A year and a half later, the Times thinks the emails it viewed as suspect before Joe Biden's election are now newsworthy. "People familiar" with a federal investigation of Hunter Biden, it reports, "said prosecutors had examined emails" between him, his former business partner Devon Archer, "and others" regarding "Burisma and other foreign business activity." Those emails "were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop." The messages "were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation."

Reading through this thread, it seems some people here might be eating crow with a side of mashed potatoes for dinner tonight.
Holy shit am I embarrassed. I feel very bad about voting for Hunter Biden in 2020. Thanks for the update..... Oh shit, just realized that I didn't vote for Hunter!

Seriously Beave! I respect your opinion. Why should I spend precious time of mine getting worked up about Hunter Biden? Why should I care? I'm not surprised at all that he's probably done some seriously sleazy shit. Probably the vast majority of kids from politicians are sleazy. But why does it matter to me? Fox news and Washington Post are getting worked up about this issue again. And seriously, I'm a little bored this weekend. Can't ski because it's raining! So I googled "Why should the Hunter Biden laptop matter to me?" And I got nothing! So please help me Beave: why should I care about Hunter?
Hunter Biden is a loser, and honestly, I really don't give a shit about him. I fully expect politicians and their kids (including Trump's) to be sleazy and corrupt as well. Its the nature of the beast, unfortunately. To me, Hunter is not the focal point of this.

What bugs me is the blatant media manipulation of the news. Apparently, a lot of smart people on this thread back in Oct 2020 were led to believe the laptop story was bogus based on what the media was feeding them (or not feeding them). I'm sure basic TDS was part of the reason why so many believed the story wasn't true, but I attribute a lot of it to flat out, blatant lies, selective reporting and manipulation by the media. Propaganda, if you will. This should bother everyone regardless of your political leanings.
 

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Waddabout Ivanka?
Waddabout Junior?
Waddabout ERIc?????
Oh you started this! There is a rumor circulating around that a purse that was owned by Ivanka has a receipt in it that showed a donation to a local planned parenthood agency in North Carolina! And damn if Fox News is ignoring this news. What the hell is going on!!
 

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Uh oh...

The New York Times Belatedly Admits the Emails on Hunter Biden's Abandoned Laptop Are Real and Newsworthy

Yesterday The New York Times published a story that quotes emails from a laptop that Hunter Biden, President Joe Biden's son, abandoned at a computer repair shop in Delaware. The messages reinforce the impression that Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company that reportedly paid the younger Biden $50,000 a month to serve on its board, expected him to use his influence with his father for the company's benefit—an allegation that figured prominently in the scandal that led to Donald Trump's impeachment for pressuring the Ukrainian government to announce a Biden-Burisma corruption investigation. The messages include evidence that Hunter Biden arranged an April 2015 meeting between his father, then the vice president, and a Burisma executive.

If all that sounds familiar, it's because the New York Post first reported this eyebrow-raising information back in October 2020, a month before the presidential election. Pro-Biden, anti-Trump journalists, including several at the Times, portrayed the Post's story as unsubstantiated at best. Politico reported that "more than 50 former senior intelligence officials" believed the emails had "all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation." Some journalists suggested it was reckless even to acknowledge the Post's report. Twitter, which initially blocked links to the article, seemed to agree. While the Times did not ignore the story, the paper's coverage treated it with skepticism and disdain.

But that was then. A year and a half later, the Times thinks the emails it viewed as suspect before Joe Biden's election are now newsworthy. "People familiar" with a federal investigation of Hunter Biden, it reports, "said prosecutors had examined emails" between him, his former business partner Devon Archer, "and others" regarding "Burisma and other foreign business activity." Those emails "were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop." The messages "were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation."

Reading through this thread, it seems some people here might be eating crow with a side of mashed potatoes for dinner tonight.
Holy shit am I embarrassed. I feel very bad about voting for Hunter Biden in 2020. Thanks for the update..... Oh shit, just realized that I didn't vote for Hunter!

Seriously Beave! I respect your opinion. Why should I spend precious time of mine getting worked up about Hunter Biden? Why should I care? I'm not surprised at all that he's probably done some seriously sleazy shit. Probably the vast majority of kids from politicians are sleazy. But why does it matter to me? Fox news and Washington Post are getting worked up about this issue again. And seriously, I'm a little bored this weekend. Can't ski because it's raining! So I googled "Why should the Hunter Biden laptop matter to me?" And I got nothing! So please help me Beave: why should I care about Hunter?
Hunter Biden is a loser, and honestly, I really don't give a shit about him. I fully expect politicians and their kids (including Trump's) to be sleazy and corrupt as well. Its the nature of the beast, unfortunately. To me, Hunter is not the focal point of this.

What bugs me is the blatant media manipulation of the news. Apparently, a lot of smart people on this thread back in Oct 2020 were led to believe the laptop story was bogus based on what the media was feeding them (or not feeding them). I'm sure basic TDS was part of the reason why so many believed the story wasn't true, but I attribute a lot of it to flat out, blatant lies, selective reporting and manipulation by the media. Propaganda, if you will. This should bother everyone regardless of your political leanings.
Beave: could it not be that the media ignored the story because people didn't care? I mean honestly, why should I get worked up about it? The media focuses on stories that sell ads. Who cares about Hunter's computer? It's not going to sell ads.
 

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The New York Times Belatedly Admits the Emails on Hunter Biden's Abandoned Laptop Are Real and Newsworthy

Yesterday The New York Times published a story that quotes emails from a laptop that Hunter Biden, President Joe Biden's son, abandoned at a computer repair shop in Delaware. The messages reinforce the impression that Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company that reportedly paid the younger Biden $50,000 a month to serve on its board, expected him to use his influence with his father for the company's benefit—an allegation that figured prominently in the scandal that led to Donald Trump's impeachment for pressuring the Ukrainian government to announce a Biden-Burisma corruption investigation. The messages include evidence that Hunter Biden arranged an April 2015 meeting between his father, then the vice president, and a Burisma executive.

If all that sounds familiar, it's because the New York Post first reported this eyebrow-raising information back in October 2020, a month before the presidential election. Pro-Biden, anti-Trump journalists, including several at the Times, portrayed the Post's story as unsubstantiated at best. Politico reported that "more than 50 former senior intelligence officials" believed the emails had "all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation." Some journalists suggested it was reckless even to acknowledge the Post's report. Twitter, which initially blocked links to the article, seemed to agree. While the Times did not ignore the story, the paper's coverage treated it with skepticism and disdain.

But that was then. A year and a half later, the Times thinks the emails it viewed as suspect before Joe Biden's election are now newsworthy. "People familiar" with a federal investigation of Hunter Biden, it reports, "said prosecutors had examined emails" between him, his former business partner Devon Archer, "and others" regarding "Burisma and other foreign business activity." Those emails "were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop." The messages "were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation."

Reading through this thread, it seems some people here might be eating crow with a side of mashed potatoes for dinner tonight.
Holy shit am I embarrassed. I feel very bad about voting for Hunter Biden in 2020. Thanks for the update..... Oh shit, just realized that I didn't vote for Hunter!

Seriously Beave! I respect your opinion. Why should I spend precious time of mine getting worked up about Hunter Biden? Why should I care? I'm not surprised at all that he's probably done some seriously sleazy shit. Probably the vast majority of kids from politicians are sleazy. But why does it matter to me? Fox news and Washington Post are getting worked up about this issue again. And seriously, I'm a little bored this weekend. Can't ski because it's raining! So I googled "Why should the Hunter Biden laptop matter to me?" And I got nothing! So please help me Beave: why should I care about Hunter?
Hunter Biden is a loser, and honestly, I really don't give a shit about him. I fully expect politicians and their kids (including Trump's) to be sleazy and corrupt as well. Its the nature of the beast, unfortunately. To me, Hunter is not the focal point of this.

What bugs me is the blatant media manipulation of the news. Apparently, a lot of smart people on this thread back in Oct 2020 were led to believe the laptop story was bogus based on what the media was feeding them (or not feeding them). I'm sure basic TDS was part of the reason why so many believed the story wasn't true, but I attribute a lot of it to flat out, blatant lies, selective reporting and manipulation by the media. Propaganda, if you will. This should bother everyone regardless of your political leanings.
Beave: could it not be that the media ignored the story because people didn't care? I mean honestly, why should I get worked up about it? The media focuses on stories that sell ads. Who cares about Hunter's computer? It's not going to sell ads.
I'm sure a lot of people don't care, but when an election is imminent and is expected to be a "nailbiter", media manipulation of a scandal can easily swing an election. Seems obvious to me. The last two elections we've had were pretty tight up until election day.
 

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Uh oh...

The New York Times Belatedly Admits the Emails on Hunter Biden's Abandoned Laptop Are Real and Newsworthy

Yesterday The New York Times published a story that quotes emails from a laptop that Hunter Biden, President Joe Biden's son, abandoned at a computer repair shop in Delaware. The messages reinforce the impression that Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company that reportedly paid the younger Biden $50,000 a month to serve on its board, expected him to use his influence with his father for the company's benefit—an allegation that figured prominently in the scandal that led to Donald Trump's impeachment for pressuring the Ukrainian government to announce a Biden-Burisma corruption investigation. The messages include evidence that Hunter Biden arranged an April 2015 meeting between his father, then the vice president, and a Burisma executive.

If all that sounds familiar, it's because the New York Post first reported this eyebrow-raising information back in October 2020, a month before the presidential election. Pro-Biden, anti-Trump journalists, including several at the Times, portrayed the Post's story as unsubstantiated at best. Politico reported that "more than 50 former senior intelligence officials" believed the emails had "all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation." Some journalists suggested it was reckless even to acknowledge the Post's report. Twitter, which initially blocked links to the article, seemed to agree. While the Times did not ignore the story, the paper's coverage treated it with skepticism and disdain.

But that was then. A year and a half later, the Times thinks the emails it viewed as suspect before Joe Biden's election are now newsworthy. "People familiar" with a federal investigation of Hunter Biden, it reports, "said prosecutors had examined emails" between him, his former business partner Devon Archer, "and others" regarding "Burisma and other foreign business activity." Those emails "were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop." The messages "were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation."

Reading through this thread, it seems some people here might be eating crow with a side of mashed potatoes for dinner tonight.
Holy shit am I embarrassed. I feel very bad about voting for Hunter Biden in 2020. Thanks for the update..... Oh shit, just realized that I didn't vote for Hunter!

Seriously Beave! I respect your opinion. Why should I spend precious time of mine getting worked up about Hunter Biden? Why should I care? I'm not surprised at all that he's probably done some seriously sleazy shit. Probably the vast majority of kids from politicians are sleazy. But why does it matter to me? Fox news and Washington Post are getting worked up about this issue again. And seriously, I'm a little bored this weekend. Can't ski because it's raining! So I googled "Why should the Hunter Biden laptop matter to me?" And I got nothing! So please help me Beave: why should I care about Hunter?
Hunter Biden is a loser, and honestly, I really don't give a shit about him. I fully expect politicians and their kids (including Trump's) to be sleazy and corrupt as well. Its the nature of the beast, unfortunately. To me, Hunter is not the focal point of this.

What bugs me is the blatant media manipulation of the news. Apparently, a lot of smart people on this thread back in Oct 2020 were led to believe the laptop story was bogus based on what the media was feeding them (or not feeding them). I'm sure basic TDS was part of the reason why so many believed the story wasn't true, but I attribute a lot of it to flat out, blatant lies, selective reporting and manipulation by the media. Propaganda, if you will. This should bother everyone regardless of your political leanings.
Beave: could it not be that the media ignored the story because people didn't care? I mean honestly, why should I get worked up about it? The media focuses on stories that sell ads. Who cares about Hunter's computer? It's not going to sell ads.
I'm sure a lot of people don't care, but when an election is imminent and is expected to be a "nailbiter", media manipulation of a scandal can easily swing an election. Seems obvious to me. The last two elections we've had were pretty tight up until election day.
Do you also consider it media manipulation that the media didn't focus on all the scandals that the Trump children were involved in? How about the Pences? Did you know that Mike Pence disowned two of his kids? I'll bet that there are some juicy stories there. Do you think that the media should focus on the Pence children? If not, what is it that makes Hunter so special?
 

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Uh oh...

The New York Times Belatedly Admits the Emails on Hunter Biden's Abandoned Laptop Are Real and Newsworthy

Yesterday The New York Times published a story that quotes emails from a laptop that Hunter Biden, President Joe Biden's son, abandoned at a computer repair shop in Delaware. The messages reinforce the impression that Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company that reportedly paid the younger Biden $50,000 a month to serve on its board, expected him to use his influence with his father for the company's benefit—an allegation that figured prominently in the scandal that led to Donald Trump's impeachment for pressuring the Ukrainian government to announce a Biden-Burisma corruption investigation. The messages include evidence that Hunter Biden arranged an April 2015 meeting between his father, then the vice president, and a Burisma executive.

If all that sounds familiar, it's because the New York Post first reported this eyebrow-raising information back in October 2020, a month before the presidential election. Pro-Biden, anti-Trump journalists, including several at the Times, portrayed the Post's story as unsubstantiated at best. Politico reported that "more than 50 former senior intelligence officials" believed the emails had "all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation." Some journalists suggested it was reckless even to acknowledge the Post's report. Twitter, which initially blocked links to the article, seemed to agree. While the Times did not ignore the story, the paper's coverage treated it with skepticism and disdain.

But that was then. A year and a half later, the Times thinks the emails it viewed as suspect before Joe Biden's election are now newsworthy. "People familiar" with a federal investigation of Hunter Biden, it reports, "said prosecutors had examined emails" between him, his former business partner Devon Archer, "and others" regarding "Burisma and other foreign business activity." Those emails "were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop." The messages "were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation."

Reading through this thread, it seems some people here might be eating crow with a side of mashed potatoes for dinner tonight.
Holy shit am I embarrassed. I feel very bad about voting for Hunter Biden in 2020. Thanks for the update..... Oh shit, just realized that I didn't vote for Hunter!

Seriously Beave! I respect your opinion. Why should I spend precious time of mine getting worked up about Hunter Biden? Why should I care? I'm not surprised at all that he's probably done some seriously sleazy shit. Probably the vast majority of kids from politicians are sleazy. But why does it matter to me? Fox news and Washington Post are getting worked up about this issue again. And seriously, I'm a little bored this weekend. Can't ski because it's raining! So I googled "Why should the Hunter Biden laptop matter to me?" And I got nothing! So please help me Beave: why should I care about Hunter?
Hunter Biden is a loser, and honestly, I really don't give a shit about him. I fully expect politicians and their kids (including Trump's) to be sleazy and corrupt as well. Its the nature of the beast, unfortunately. To me, Hunter is not the focal point of this.

What bugs me is the blatant media manipulation of the news. Apparently, a lot of smart people on this thread back in Oct 2020 were led to believe the laptop story was bogus based on what the media was feeding them (or not feeding them). I'm sure basic TDS was part of the reason why so many believed the story wasn't true, but I attribute a lot of it to flat out, blatant lies, selective reporting and manipulation by the media. Propaganda, if you will. This should bother everyone regardless of your political leanings.
Beave: could it not be that the media ignored the story because people didn't care? I mean honestly, why should I get worked up about it? The media focuses on stories that sell ads. Who cares about Hunter's computer? It's not going to sell ads.
I'm sure a lot of people don't care, but when an election is imminent and is expected to be a "nailbiter", media manipulation of a scandal can easily swing an election. Seems obvious to me. The last two elections we've had were pretty tight up until election day.
Do you also consider it media manipulation that the media didn't focus on all the scandals that the Trump children were involved in? How about the Pences? Did you know that Mike Pence disowned two of his kids? I'll bet that there are some juicy stories there. Do you think that the media should focus on the Pence children? If not, what is it that makes Hunter so special?

Uh oh...

The New York Times Belatedly Admits the Emails on Hunter Biden's Abandoned Laptop Are Real and Newsworthy

Yesterday The New York Times published a story that quotes emails from a laptop that Hunter Biden, President Joe Biden's son, abandoned at a computer repair shop in Delaware. The messages reinforce the impression that Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company that reportedly paid the younger Biden $50,000 a month to serve on its board, expected him to use his influence with his father for the company's benefit—an allegation that figured prominently in the scandal that led to Donald Trump's impeachment for pressuring the Ukrainian government to announce a Biden-Burisma corruption investigation. The messages include evidence that Hunter Biden arranged an April 2015 meeting between his father, then the vice president, and a Burisma executive.

If all that sounds familiar, it's because the New York Post first reported this eyebrow-raising information back in October 2020, a month before the presidential election. Pro-Biden, anti-Trump journalists, including several at the Times, portrayed the Post's story as unsubstantiated at best. Politico reported that "more than 50 former senior intelligence officials" believed the emails had "all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation." Some journalists suggested it was reckless even to acknowledge the Post's report. Twitter, which initially blocked links to the article, seemed to agree. While the Times did not ignore the story, the paper's coverage treated it with skepticism and disdain.

But that was then. A year and a half later, the Times thinks the emails it viewed as suspect before Joe Biden's election are now newsworthy. "People familiar" with a federal investigation of Hunter Biden, it reports, "said prosecutors had examined emails" between him, his former business partner Devon Archer, "and others" regarding "Burisma and other foreign business activity." Those emails "were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop." The messages "were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation."

Reading through this thread, it seems some people here might be eating crow with a side of mashed potatoes for dinner tonight.
Holy shit am I embarrassed. I feel very bad about voting for Hunter Biden in 2020. Thanks for the update..... Oh shit, just realized that I didn't vote for Hunter!

Seriously Beave! I respect your opinion. Why should I spend precious time of mine getting worked up about Hunter Biden? Why should I care? I'm not surprised at all that he's probably done some seriously sleazy shit. Probably the vast majority of kids from politicians are sleazy. But why does it matter to me? Fox news and Washington Post are getting worked up about this issue again. And seriously, I'm a little bored this weekend. Can't ski because it's raining! So I googled "Why should the Hunter Biden laptop matter to me?" And I got nothing! So please help me Beave: why should I care about Hunter?
Hunter Biden is a loser, and honestly, I really don't give a shit about him. I fully expect politicians and their kids (including Trump's) to be sleazy and corrupt as well. Its the nature of the beast, unfortunately. To me, Hunter is not the focal point of this.

What bugs me is the blatant media manipulation of the news. Apparently, a lot of smart people on this thread back in Oct 2020 were led to believe the laptop story was bogus based on what the media was feeding them (or not feeding them). I'm sure basic TDS was part of the reason why so many believed the story wasn't true, but I attribute a lot of it to flat out, blatant lies, selective reporting and manipulation by the media. Propaganda, if you will. This should bother everyone regardless of your political leanings.
Beave: could it not be that the media ignored the story because people didn't care? I mean honestly, why should I get worked up about it? The media focuses on stories that sell ads. Who cares about Hunter's computer? It's not going to sell ads.
I'm sure a lot of people don't care, but when an election is imminent and is expected to be a "nailbiter", media manipulation of a scandal can easily swing an election. Seems obvious to me. The last two elections we've had were pretty tight up until election day.
Do you also consider it media manipulation that the media didn't focus on all the scandals that the Trump children were involved in? How about the Pences? Did you know that Mike Pence disowned two of his kids? I'll bet that there are some juicy stories there. Do you think that the media should focus on the Pence children? If not, what is it that makes Hunter so special?
While the stories about Hunter's drug use, hookers, baby out of wedlock, tax evasion, seducing his dead brother's wife, etc make for good tabloid fodder, what makes Hunter's story so special is the possible involvement his father had in his Burisma dealings. That has yet to be fully sorted out, but time will tell. It has traditionally been the media's domain to root out corruption at our highest level of government. Think Watergate.

As far as Trump goes, the media had a serious hate boner for him (CNN in particular), so I would be surprised if they were holding back on reporting on any misdoings. Why would they do that? What Trump kid scandals did they not report on, and what is the deal with Mike Pence's two kids?
 

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I feel like we are seeing a rather transparent attempt by the post to claim something not in evidence.

Uh oh...

The New York Times Belatedly Admits the Emails on Hunter Biden's Abandoned Laptop Are Real and Newsworthy

Yesterday The New York Times published a story that quotes emails from a laptop that Hunter Biden, President Joe Biden's son, abandoned at a computer repair shop in Delaware. The messages reinforce the impression that Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company that reportedly paid the younger Biden $50,000 a month to serve on its board, expected him to use his influence with his father for the company's benefit—an allegation that figured prominently in the scandal that led to Donald Trump's impeachment for pressuring the Ukrainian government to announce a Biden-Burisma corruption investigation. The messages include evidence that Hunter Biden arranged an April 2015 meeting between his father, then the vice president, and a Burisma executive.

Looking at that bolded part - the recent Times story seems ot say nothing of the kind.


Current actual NYT story said:
In one email to Mr. Archer in April 2014, Mr. Biden outlined his vision for working with Burisma. In the email, Hunter Biden indicated that the forthcoming announcement of a trip to Ukraine by Vice President Biden — who is referred to in the email as “my guy,” but not by name — should “be characterized as part of our advice and thinking — but what he will say and do is out of our hands.”

The announcement “could be a really good thing or it could end up creating too great an expectation. We need to temper expectations regarding that visit,” Hunter Biden wrote.

Vice President Biden traveled to Kyiv, the Ukrainian capital, about a week after the email.

In the same April 2014 email, Hunter Biden indicated that Burisma’s officials “need to know in no uncertain terms that we will not and cannot intervene directly with domestic policymakers, and that we need to abide by FARA and any other U.S. laws in the strictest sense across the board.”

He suggested enlisting the law firm where he worked at the time, Boies Schiller Flexner, to help Burisma through “direct discussions at state, energy and NSC,” referring to two cabinet departments and the National Security Council at the White House.
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The firm “can devise a media plan and arrange for legal protections and mitigate U.S. domestic negative press regarding the current leadership if need be,” Mr. Biden wrote in the email.

Mr. Biden, Mr. Archer, Boies Schiller Flexner and Blue Star Strategies did not register under FARA on behalf of Burisma.

In another set of emails examined by prosecutors, Hunter Biden and Mr. Archer discussed inviting foreign business associates, including a Burisma executive, to a dinner in April 2015 at a Washington restaurant where Vice President Biden would stop by. It is not clear whether the Burisma executive attended the dinner, although the vice president did make an appearance, according to people familiar with the event.

So, no, the story does not “ include evidence that Hunter Biden arranged an April 2015 meeting between his father, then the vice president, and a Burisma executive.”

He does not arrange a meeting between, he tells the executive where his father is going to be. If I told a criminal that you had plans to be at a certain restaurant, does that mean I’ve “arranged a meeting between you”?

Come on.

But that was then. A year and a half later, the Times thinks the emails it viewed as suspect before Joe Biden's election are now newsworthy.
Again, no.
It is doing a story on the tax question that is legitimately in the news because of legal dates, and is including the background.

Come on, “they now think it is newsworthy?”
No, they did not change their minds, they are reporting it exactly the same way they did before.


"People familiar" with a federal investigation of Hunter Biden, it reports, "said prosecutors had examined emails" between him, his former business partner Devon Archer, "and others" regarding "Burisma and other foreign business activity." Those emails "were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop." The messages "were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation."

Reading through this thread, it seems some people here might be eating crow with a side of mashed potatoes for dinner tonight.


It seems like you might want to pick up a fork for that crow pie.

Your premise that the NYT “now thinks it’s newsworthy” is bunk.
Your premise that the emails “show Hunter arranging a meeting” is bunk.

It looks exactly as it did before. A connected kid trying to make money off his connections, and having nothing but his own promises to sell. He even explicitly says he can’t promise Joe’s cooperation. None of these show that Hunter was successful at it, or that Joe Biden cooperated in any way.

Just as unfounded and dumb as it was 18 months ago. And just as unfounded and dumb to say that either the NYT changed its mind or that we should.
 

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what makes Hunter's story so special is the possible involvement his father had in his Burisma dealings. That has yet to be fully sorted out validated whatsoever.

FIFY again.
OTOH, Ivanka's Chinapatentgate is a real story, but for some reason FOX news isn't talking about it!
 

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Just as unfounded and dumb as it was 18 months ago. And just as unfounded and dumb to say that either the NYT changed its mind or that we should.

I keep thinking of Lou Dobbs talking about the massive voter fraud scandal of 2020, saying, "Everybody knows" there was voter fraud, but "we have had a devil of a time finding actual proof." :rofl: I saw that as it was first aired and laughed my ass off. What conundrum! But I'm sure the evidence will eventually come to light about that and about Hunter Biden's association with the Klingons, who everybody knows funneled $7 quadrillion to Hillary Clinton's human trafficking scheme. You just gotta have faith!
 

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I feel like we are seeing a rather transparent attempt by the post to claim something not in evidence.

Uh oh...

The New York Times Belatedly Admits the Emails on Hunter Biden's Abandoned Laptop Are Real and Newsworthy

Yesterday The New York Times published a story that quotes emails from a laptop that Hunter Biden, President Joe Biden's son, abandoned at a computer repair shop in Delaware. The messages reinforce the impression that Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company that reportedly paid the younger Biden $50,000 a month to serve on its board, expected him to use his influence with his father for the company's benefit—an allegation that figured prominently in the scandal that led to Donald Trump's impeachment for pressuring the Ukrainian government to announce a Biden-Burisma corruption investigation. The messages include evidence that Hunter Biden arranged an April 2015 meeting between his father, then the vice president, and a Burisma executive.

Looking at that bolded part - the recent Times story seems ot say nothing of the kind.


Current actual NYT story said:
In one email to Mr. Archer in April 2014, Mr. Biden outlined his vision for working with Burisma. In the email, Hunter Biden indicated that the forthcoming announcement of a trip to Ukraine by Vice President Biden — who is referred to in the email as “my guy,” but not by name — should “be characterized as part of our advice and thinking — but what he will say and do is out of our hands.”

The announcement “could be a really good thing or it could end up creating too great an expectation. We need to temper expectations regarding that visit,” Hunter Biden wrote.

Vice President Biden traveled to Kyiv, the Ukrainian capital, about a week after the email.

In the same April 2014 email, Hunter Biden indicated that Burisma’s officials “need to know in no uncertain terms that we will not and cannot intervene directly with domestic policymakers, and that we need to abide by FARA and any other U.S. laws in the strictest sense across the board.”

He suggested enlisting the law firm where he worked at the time, Boies Schiller Flexner, to help Burisma through “direct discussions at state, energy and NSC,” referring to two cabinet departments and the National Security Council at the White House.
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Continue reading the main story

The firm “can devise a media plan and arrange for legal protections and mitigate U.S. domestic negative press regarding the current leadership if need be,” Mr. Biden wrote in the email.

Mr. Biden, Mr. Archer, Boies Schiller Flexner and Blue Star Strategies did not register under FARA on behalf of Burisma.

In another set of emails examined by prosecutors, Hunter Biden and Mr. Archer discussed inviting foreign business associates, including a Burisma executive, to a dinner in April 2015 at a Washington restaurant where Vice President Biden would stop by. It is not clear whether the Burisma executive attended the dinner, although the vice president did make an appearance, according to people familiar with the event.

So, no, the story does not “ include evidence that Hunter Biden arranged an April 2015 meeting between his father, then the vice president, and a Burisma executive.”

He does not arrange a meeting between, he tells the executive where his father is going to be. If I told a criminal that you had plans to be at a certain restaurant, does that mean I’ve “arranged a meeting between you”?

Come on.

But that was then. A year and a half later, the Times thinks the emails it viewed as suspect before Joe Biden's election are now newsworthy.
Again, no.
It is doing a story on the tax question that is legitimately in the news because of legal dates, and is including the background.

Come on, “they now think it is newsworthy?”
No, they did not change their minds, they are reporting it exactly the same way they did before.


"People familiar" with a federal investigation of Hunter Biden, it reports, "said prosecutors had examined emails" between him, his former business partner Devon Archer, "and others" regarding "Burisma and other foreign business activity." Those emails "were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop." The messages "were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation."

Reading through this thread, it seems some people here might be eating crow with a side of mashed potatoes for dinner tonight.


It seems like you might want to pick up a fork for that crow pie.

Your premise that the NYT “now thinks it’s newsworthy” is bunk.
Your premise that the emails “show Hunter arranging a meeting” is bunk.

It looks exactly as it did before. A connected kid trying to make money off his connections, and having nothing but his own promises to sell. He even explicitly says he can’t promise Joe’s cooperation. None of these show that Hunter was successful at it, or that Joe Biden cooperated in any way.

Just as unfounded and dumb as it was 18 months ago. And just as unfounded and dumb to say that either the NYT changed its mind or that we should.
You seem to be missing the point, or perhaps I wasn't quite clear enough. The issue at hand is that the NYT has essentially now admitted that the emails did come from Hunter Biden's laptop that was left in a Delaware repair shop, and that those emails were authenticated. Here is cut-and-paste what the NYT said in their article:

People familiar with the investigation said prosecutors had examined emails between Mr. Biden, Mr. Archer and others about Burisma and other foreign business activity. Those emails were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop. The email and others in the cache were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation.

The prevailing theory back in 2020 by many was that the laptop contents did not originate from Hunter, but were Russian fabricated disinformation. Or that the laptop never existed in the first place. You have focused on whether the reason.com article I quoted faithfully relayed the details of the NYT article, which it does seem they could have done a better job.
 

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The prevailing theory back in 2020 by many was that the laptop contents did not originate from Hunter, but were Russian fabricated disinformation. Or that the laptop never existed in the first place. You have focused on whether the reason.com article I quoted faithfully relayed the details of the NYT article, which it does seem they could have done a better job

The legacy media went to great lengths to paint this tawdry episode as some sort of Russian disinformation campaign. Same with the dodgy dossier that lunatic Schiff keeps banging on about. It appeals some a few conspiracy theorists on here I suppose. They’ll continue to make up ever more elaborate excuses to dismiss it.
 

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Are there any emails from Hunter saying he would actually do what Burisma wanted him to do?

And how do we know these emails are legitimate? These computers passed through many hands before getting to the FBI.

Exactly. I find the providence of the laptop sorely lacking. I strongly suspect most of the e-mails are legitimate but given the providence I consider it likely that things have been tampered with. Thus it means nothing--and showing that much of it is true means nothing, it could easily be someone hacked his system, got his old e-mails and then changed things a bit.

Don't go looking for suspicious stuff on that hard drive, address the chain of custody first!
 

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Are there any emails from Hunter saying he would actually do what Burisma wanted him to do?

And how do we know these emails are legitimate? These computers passed through many hands before getting to the FBI.

Exactly. I find the providence of the laptop sorely lacking. I strongly suspect most of the e-mails are legitimate but given the providence I consider it likely that things have been tampered with. Thus it means nothing--and showing that much of it is true means nothing, it could easily be someone hacked his system, got his old e-mails and then changed things a bit.

Don't go looking for suspicious stuff on that hard drive, address the chain of custody first!
How would the Russians do all that, though? Are they logging into his laptop from Russia, or are the Russian hackers here in the US somehow given access to it? Or did they take the laptop to Russia? Wouldn't a competent computer forensics team be able to tell if the emails or other information were altered?
 

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You seem to be missing the point, or perhaps I wasn't quite clear enough. The issue at hand is that the NYT has essentially now admitted that the emails did come from Hunter Biden's laptop that was left in a Delaware repair shop, and that those emails were authenticated. Here is cut-and-paste what the NYT said in their article:

Admitted? Talk about "manipulation of the news." Admitted" implies they knew all along. They never knew because they had no way to confirm it at the time.

Those emails were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop. The email and others in the cache were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation.

And now they have confirmation. How malicious of them to earlier not claim to know something they didn't.

The prevailing theory back in 2020 by many was that the laptop contents did not originate from Hunter, but were Russian fabricated disinformation.

This link is from Oct. 22, 2020.

What We Know and Don’t About Hunter Biden and a Laptop - The New York Times.

No concrete evidence has emerged that the laptop contains Russian disinformation.

With pressure mounting on the F.B.I. to respond to questions from Congress about the laptop, the bureau wrote to one of the president’s staunchest allies in Congress, Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, suggesting that it had not found any Russian disinformation on the laptop.

Enjoy your crow.
 

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You seem to be missing the point, or perhaps I wasn't quite clear enough. The issue at hand is that the NYT has essentially now admitted that the emails did come from Hunter Biden's laptop that was left in a Delaware repair shop, and that those emails were authenticated. Here is cut-and-paste what the NYT said in their article:

Admitted? Talk about "manipulation of the news." Admitted" implies they knew all along. They never knew because they had no way to confirm it at the time.

Those emails were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop. The email and others in the cache were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation.

And now they have confirmation. How malicious of them to earlier not claim to know something they didn't.

The prevailing theory back in 2020 by many was that the laptop contents did not originate from Hunter, but were Russian fabricated disinformation.

This link is from Oct. 22, 2020.

What We Know and Don’t About Hunter Biden and a Laptop - The New York Times.

No concrete evidence has emerged that the laptop contains Russian disinformation.

With pressure mounting on the F.B.I. to respond to questions from Congress about the laptop, the bureau wrote to one of the president’s staunchest allies in Congress, Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, suggesting that it had not found any Russian disinformation on the laptop.

Enjoy your crow.
Point. Set. Match.
 

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You seem to be missing the point, or perhaps I wasn't quite clear enough. The issue at hand is that the NYT has essentially now admitted that the emails did come from Hunter Biden's laptop that was left in a Delaware repair shop, and that those emails were authenticated. Here is cut-and-paste what the NYT said in their article:

Admitted? Talk about "manipulation of the news." Admitted" implies they knew all along. They never knew because they had no way to confirm it at the time.

Those emails were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop. The email and others in the cache were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation.

And now they have confirmation. How malicious of them to earlier not claim to know something they didn't.

The prevailing theory back in 2020 by many was that the laptop contents did not originate from Hunter, but were Russian fabricated disinformation.

This link is from Oct. 22, 2020.

What We Know and Don’t About Hunter Biden and a Laptop - The New York Times.

No concrete evidence has emerged that the laptop contains Russian disinformation.

With pressure mounting on the F.B.I. to respond to questions from Congress about the laptop, the bureau wrote to one of the president’s staunchest allies in Congress, Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, suggesting that it had not found any Russian disinformation on the laptop.

Enjoy your crow.

I think you are misinterpreting my use of the word "admitted". Here's a clip from the reason.com article in my OP:
While the Times did not ignore the story, the paper's coverage treated it with skepticism and disdain.
Similarly, I can say when I was 10 years old that I was skeptical of life elsewhere in the universe, but now at age 60 after considering it more thoroughly, I admit now that I do believe it to be true. It doesn't necessarily mean I knew it to be true all along. Perhaps I could have used a better choice of words. I never intended to claim that they knew it to be true, but were hiding it.

I also never claimed the NYT said it was Russian disinformation. Here's another clip from the reason.com article I posted above:
Pro-Biden, anti-Trump journalists, including several at the Times, portrayed the Post's story as unsubstantiated at best. Politico reported that "more than 50 former senior intelligence officials" believed the emails had "all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation."

What I said was, in my own words:
The prevailing theory back in 2020 by many was that the laptop contents did not originate from Hunter, but were Russian fabricated disinformation.
"By many", I meant people on this forum as well as in the general public, not necessarily the NYT.

So, no crow tonight (not that I haven't had my share over the years). I do believe I will head to Lucky's soon and get me a rotissiere chicken (Lemon Pepper spice). though. And some potato salad.
 

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The prevailing theory back in 2020 by many was that the laptop contents did not originate from Hunter, but were Russian fabricated disinformation.

Not sure how prevalent that could have been or what segment would have embraced it without evidence, but I can attest to never having heard anyone evince such a notion in other than what I took to be a sarcastic/facetious manner.
 

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I feel like we are seeing a rather transparent attempt by the post to claim something not in evidence.

Uh oh...

The New York Times Belatedly Admits the Emails on Hunter Biden's Abandoned Laptop Are Real and Newsworthy

Yesterday The New York Times published a story that quotes emails from a laptop that Hunter Biden, President Joe Biden's son, abandoned at a computer repair shop in Delaware. The messages reinforce the impression that Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company that reportedly paid the younger Biden $50,000 a month to serve on its board, expected him to use his influence with his father for the company's benefit—an allegation that figured prominently in the scandal that led to Donald Trump's impeachment for pressuring the Ukrainian government to announce a Biden-Burisma corruption investigation. The messages include evidence that Hunter Biden arranged an April 2015 meeting between his father, then the vice president, and a Burisma executive.

Looking at that bolded part - the recent Times story seems ot say nothing of the kind.


Current actual NYT story said:
In one email to Mr. Archer in April 2014, Mr. Biden outlined his vision for working with Burisma. In the email, Hunter Biden indicated that the forthcoming announcement of a trip to Ukraine by Vice President Biden — who is referred to in the email as “my guy,” but not by name — should “be characterized as part of our advice and thinking — but what he will say and do is out of our hands.”

The announcement “could be a really good thing or it could end up creating too great an expectation. We need to temper expectations regarding that visit,” Hunter Biden wrote.

Vice President Biden traveled to Kyiv, the Ukrainian capital, about a week after the email.

In the same April 2014 email, Hunter Biden indicated that Burisma’s officials “need to know in no uncertain terms that we will not and cannot intervene directly with domestic policymakers, and that we need to abide by FARA and any other U.S. laws in the strictest sense across the board.”

He suggested enlisting the law firm where he worked at the time, Boies Schiller Flexner, to help Burisma through “direct discussions at state, energy and NSC,” referring to two cabinet departments and the National Security Council at the White House.
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The firm “can devise a media plan and arrange for legal protections and mitigate U.S. domestic negative press regarding the current leadership if need be,” Mr. Biden wrote in the email.

Mr. Biden, Mr. Archer, Boies Schiller Flexner and Blue Star Strategies did not register under FARA on behalf of Burisma.

In another set of emails examined by prosecutors, Hunter Biden and Mr. Archer discussed inviting foreign business associates, including a Burisma executive, to a dinner in April 2015 at a Washington restaurant where Vice President Biden would stop by. It is not clear whether the Burisma executive attended the dinner, although the vice president did make an appearance, according to people familiar with the event.

So, no, the story does not “ include evidence that Hunter Biden arranged an April 2015 meeting between his father, then the vice president, and a Burisma executive.”

He does not arrange a meeting between, he tells the executive where his father is going to be. If I told a criminal that you had plans to be at a certain restaurant, does that mean I’ve “arranged a meeting between you”?

Come on.

But that was then. A year and a half later, the Times thinks the emails it viewed as suspect before Joe Biden's election are now newsworthy.
Again, no.
It is doing a story on the tax question that is legitimately in the news because of legal dates, and is including the background.

Come on, “they now think it is newsworthy?”
No, they did not change their minds, they are reporting it exactly the same way they did before.


"People familiar" with a federal investigation of Hunter Biden, it reports, "said prosecutors had examined emails" between him, his former business partner Devon Archer, "and others" regarding "Burisma and other foreign business activity." Those emails "were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop." The messages "were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation."

Reading through this thread, it seems some people here might be eating crow with a side of mashed potatoes for dinner tonight.


It seems like you might want to pick up a fork for that crow pie.

Your premise that the NYT “now thinks it’s newsworthy” is bunk.
Your premise that the emails “show Hunter arranging a meeting” is bunk.

It looks exactly as it did before. A connected kid trying to make money off his connections, and having nothing but his own promises to sell. He even explicitly says he can’t promise Joe’s cooperation. None of these show that Hunter was successful at it, or that Joe Biden cooperated in any way.

Just as unfounded and dumb as it was 18 months ago. And just as unfounded and dumb to say that either the NYT changed its mind or that we should.
You seem to be missing the point, or perhaps I wasn't quite clear enough. The issue at hand is that the NYT has essentially now admitted that the emails did come from Hunter Biden's laptop that was left in a Delaware repair shop, and that those emails were authenticated. Here is cut-and-paste what the NYT said in their article:

People familiar with the investigation said prosecutors had examined emails between Mr. Biden, Mr. Archer and others about Burisma and other foreign business activity. Those emails were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop. The email and others in the cache were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation.

The prevailing theory back in 2020 by many was that the laptop contents did not originate from Hunter, but were Russian fabricated disinformation. Or that the laptop never existed in the first place. You have focused on whether the reason.com article I quoted faithfully relayed the details of the NYT article, which it does seem they could have done a better job.
What was the "Uh oh..." about? We're led to believe by your font bolding and color that those specific sentences and phrases were the "uh oh..." part. Is it real and newsworthy that Hunter Biden [insert here] or is the whole point about blatant media manipulation or whatever?
 

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Are there any emails from Hunter saying he would actually do what Burisma wanted him to do?

And how do we know these emails are legitimate? These computers passed through many hands before getting to the FBI.

Exactly. I find the providence of the laptop sorely lacking. I strongly suspect most of the e-mails are legitimate but given the providence I consider it likely that things have been tampered with. Thus it means nothing--and showing that much of it is true means nothing, it could easily be someone hacked his system, got his old e-mails and then changed things a bit.

Don't go looking for suspicious stuff on that hard drive, address the chain of custody first!
How would the Russians do all that, though? Are they logging into his laptop from Russia, or are the Russian hackers here in the US somehow given access to it? Or did they take the laptop to Russia? Wouldn't a competent computer forensics team be able to tell if the emails or other information were altered?
Where above is anyone suggesting it was Russians??? Rudy Giuliani had the laptop for a time. You remember Rudy, right? The guy that runs a security consulting firm and tried to get Zelensky to dig up dirt on Biden. Yeah, he wouldn't have access to anyone who could screw with that laptop. :rolleyes:
 

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Are there any emails from Hunter saying he would actually do what Burisma wanted him to do?

And how do we know these emails are legitimate? These computers passed through many hands before getting to the FBI.

Exactly. I find the providence of the laptop sorely lacking. I strongly suspect most of the e-mails are legitimate but given the providence I consider it likely that things have been tampered with. Thus it means nothing--and showing that much of it is true means nothing, it could easily be someone hacked his system, got his old e-mails and then changed things a bit.

Don't go looking for suspicious stuff on that hard drive, address the chain of custody first!
How would the Russians do all that, though? Are they logging into his laptop from Russia, or are the Russian hackers here in the US somehow given access to it? Or did they take the laptop to Russia? Wouldn't a competent computer forensics team be able to tell if the emails or other information were altered?
Where above is anyone suggesting it was Russians??? Rudy Giuliani had the laptop for a time. You remember Rudy, right? The guy that runs a security consulting firm and tried to get Zelensky to dig up dirt on Biden. Yeah, he wouldn't have access to anyone who could screw with that laptop. :rolleyes:

Loren himself, in post #22. Here, I'll save you some time:
Yeah, as more comes out it looks like the whole thing is faked. They got the e-mails by some illicit means (probably Moscow) and are using harmless stuff as support for the spicy stuff they faked.
 
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