Moved Bilby/Algor Derail

[Algor]

I don't think people have rights: I think we have obligations. Rights are a shorthand for universal obligation: I have an obligation to make sure you can vote: I fulfill that by paying taxes and by participating in the political system. etc. I think the language of rights is misleading, so (for instance) I do not have an obligation to give anyone guns or to make sure guns are available (the right to bear arms) although I do have an obligation to make sure that the laws and freedoms of a country are protected. We do have the right to live unmolested.

I think that this discussion is definitely worth having. But not here in the basement of IIDB, as a derail of a derail...

It should be in the Philosophy section under Morals and Principles. Perhaps you should ask the staff to split it out and move it?
Tom

I think it is rambling out of control. I'm just gonna quietly put on my shoes and sneak out the door.

Thank you all

 

[TomC]

I don't think people have rights: I think we have obligations. Rights are a shorthand for universal obligation: I have an obligation to make sure you can vote: I fulfill that by paying taxes and by participating in the political system. etc. I think the language of rights is misleading, so (for instance) I do not have an obligation to give anyone guns or to make sure guns are available (the right to bear arms) although I do have an obligation to make sure that the laws and freedoms of a country are protected. We do have the right to live unmolested.

I think that this discussion is definitely worth having. But not here in the basement of IIDB, as a derail of a derail...

It should be in the Philosophy section under Morals and Principles. Perhaps you should ask the staff to split it out and move it?
Tom

I think it is rambling out of control. I'm just gonna quietly put on my shoes and sneak out the door.

Thank you all

Darn.
I don't think it's rambling out of control, quite the opposite. It needs to be discussed openly.
Oh well. Hope you come back!
Tom

 

[Elixir]

My disregards to the disingenuous of CARM.