Black Jogger Gunned Down In The Street

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I was walking with my son the other day. He jogged part of the way in sweatpants and no socks. Sweatpants and no socks while jogging!!!! Imagine if we were Black and lived in Georgia.

 

[ZiprHead]

Suppose he should have just let himself get lynched.

No, he should have stopped fooling anybody by pretending to be a jogger and really tried to escape or better did what people with guns told him to do.

They were chasing him in a truck. He wasn't jogging, he was running away... but Usain Bolt can't outrun a truck. I'm surprised no one asked whether he was wearing underwear. This is bullshit victim blaming. In the victim's eyes, he is being surrounded and trapped like an animal and then one of the trappers gets a gun. What in the fuck was he supposed to be thinking, supposed to do?

And justice is so fucked up down there, that I hope he was out while bleeding to death when the cop came and consoled the motherfucker that killed the guy.

Nope, it was not running away. It was a very good imitation of jogging.

How do you imitate jogging without, you know, jogging?

 

[ZiprHead]

So people who are up to no good, like armed robberies and gang warfare traditionally do not wear socks?

No, joggers wear socks and he was not.

There is no "No," even if I were half-joking.

The defense is saying joggers typically wear socks. Therefore, he probably wasn't jogging. They want you to conclude he was up to no good. But keep following one idea to the next. Criminals ALSO typically wear socks. Everyone does, but especially criminals who have to run away like what is being implied. So the whole sock thing is a meaningless exercise in inconsistently applying probabilities to impugn the victim, but ultimately is nothing.

Smart criminals (which is a rare breed ) are typically prepared, so they wear socks, running shoes and running shorts and they really run when they have to, they don't pretend when it becomes clear that they are being chased.
Ahmad was not smart criminal. He was a dumb idiot who thought that if he pretends to be a jogger he could jog away from 3 armed guys on a truck.

Assuming he's dumb works both ways. Perhaps he's a dumb jogger with no socks. This tangent is meaningless, especially because it does not justify cornering him, running him down, as if you are going to lynch him.

I wonder about the footwear and stockings the vigilantes wore. ???

 

[Arctish]

There are reasons to forego wearing socks while running. Cooler feet and better fitting shoes are pretty good ones.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

So people who are up to no good, like armed robberies and gang warfare traditionally do not wear socks?

No, joggers wear socks and he was not.

There is no "No," even if I were half-joking.

The defense is saying joggers typically wear socks. Therefore, he probably wasn't jogging. They want you to conclude he was up to no good. But keep following one idea to the next. Criminals ALSO typically wear socks. Everyone does, but especially criminals who have to run away like what is being implied. So the whole sock thing is a meaningless exercise in inconsistently applying probabilities to impugn the victim, but ultimately is nothing.

Smart criminals (which is a rare breed ) are typically prepared, so they wear socks, running shoes and running shorts and they really run when they have to, they don't pretend when it becomes clear that they are being chased.
Ahmad was not smart criminal. He was a dumb idiot who thought that if he pretends to be a jogger he could jog away from 3 armed guys on a truck.

Assuming he's dumb works both ways. Perhaps he's a dumb jogger with no socks. This tangent is meaningless, especially because it does not justify cornering him, running him down, as if you are going to lynch him.

I wonder about the footwear and stockings the vigilantes wore. ???

croc nuts.

 

[barbos]

There are reasons to forego wearing socks while running. Cooler feet and better fitting shoes are pretty good ones.

Your link does not really help you.
The guy was not a jogger. Insisting on jogger theory does nothing but annoy people who on a fence about this whole thing.

 

[Arctish]

What makes you think Arbery wasn't a jogger?

And what's that got to do with the decision to wear socks or go without?

 

[Arctish]

There are reasons to forego wearing socks while running. Cooler feet and better fitting shoes are pretty good ones.

Your link does not really help you.
The guy was not a jogger. Insisting on jogger theory does nothing but annoy people who on a fence about this whole thing.

Also, what do you mean by "people who are on the fence about this whole thing"?

On the fence about what? Whether or not the McMichaels and Bryan pursued a guy in their trucks, blocked his attempts to escape, verbally threatened him with bodily harm, and ultimately killed him?

 

[barbos]

What makes you think Arbery wasn't a jogger?

what makes you think he was?

 

[repoman]

What makes you think Arbery wasn't a jogger?

what makes you think he was?

In the new right wing slang he was a jogger.

 

[Arctish]

What makes you think Arbery wasn't a jogger?

what makes you think he was?

I asked first.

What makes you think he wasn't a jogger?

Also, what do you mean by "people who are on the fence about this whole thing"? On the fence about what?

 

[barbos]

I asked first.

I already answered that

 

[Arctish]

I asked first.

I already answered that

I must have missed it. Would you please quote or link to that post?

Also, what do you mean by "people who are on the fence about this whole thing"? On the fence about what?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I asked first.

I already answered that

I must have missed it. Would you please quote or link to that post?

Also, what do you mean by "people who are on the fence about this whole thing"? On the fence about what?

Jogging is a red herring. I think it is very likely that was introduced to gain popular opinion to force his murder into the courts, as the good ole boys had his buddies cover it up.

The jogging doesn’t matter. He committed at worst a “crime” of trespassing and was hunted down like an animal by armed wannabe vigilantes, and when they brandished a gun, he acted in self defense because he thought they aimed to kill him, which ummm probably because they were shouting and threatening him.

There is no fence to sit on here, jogging or not jogging. They committed a crime of imprisoning him and killing him.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Arbery reacted reasonably. Instinct says fight or flight. Bunch of guys, some in pickup trucks with shotguns or whatever, chasing him down, he's going into flight mode. That makes sense. And once they are both too close for being able to run without being shot and they are also somewhat surrounding him, he's cornered, in which case to survive, he's got to switch to fight mode. And that means subdue and/or take opponent's weapon, then reassess the situation, to either shoot the chasers or run again.

One thing that could have changed the game is if some of these entitled lunatics yelled, "we're making a citizen's arrest! Stop running. We are arresting you." OR if they had called the police and let the police handle it, provided they didn't lie and say Arbery was armed or dangerous, in which case, that could also end up in his death.

 

[barbos]

Arbery reacted reasonably. Instinct says fight or flight. Bunch of guys, some in pickup trucks with shotguns or whatever, chasing him down, he's going into flight mode. That makes sense. And once they are both too close for being able to run without being shot and they are also somewhat surrounding him, he's cornered, in which case to survive, he's got to switch to fight mode. And that means subdue and/or take opponent's weapon, then reassess the situation, to either shoot the chasers or run again.

One thing that could have changed the game is if some of these entitled lunatics yelled, "we're making a citizen's arrest! Stop running. We are arresting you." OR if they had called the police and let the police handle it, provided they didn't lie and say Arbery was armed or dangerous, in which case, that could also end up in his death.

What about that video where Arbery started started pissing off a police officer when he decided to leave him alone? reasonable too?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Arbery reacted reasonably. Instinct says fight or flight. Bunch of guys, some in pickup trucks with shotguns or whatever, chasing him down, he's going into flight mode. That makes sense. And once they are both too close for being able to run without being shot and they are also somewhat surrounding him, he's cornered, in which case to survive, he's got to switch to fight mode. And that means subdue and/or take opponent's weapon, then reassess the situation, to either shoot the chasers or run again.

One thing that could have changed the game is if some of these entitled lunatics yelled, "we're making a citizen's arrest! Stop running. We are arresting you." OR if they had called the police and let the police handle it, provided they didn't lie and say Arbery was armed or dangerous, in which case, that could also end up in his death.

What about that video where Arbery started started pissing off a police officer when he decided to leave him alone? reasonable too?

How in the heck is that remotely relevant?

 

[barbos]

How in the heck is that remotely relevant?

it illustrates that the the guy has displayed remarkable lack reasonableness, at least once.
And attacking a guy gun who clearly was not trying to kill you is a sure way to get killed.
Not reasonable thing to do.

 

[ZiprHead]

What about that video where Arbery started started pissing off a police officer when he decided to leave him alone? reasonable too?

it illustrates that the the guy has displayed remarkable lack reasonableness, at least once.
And attacking a guy gun who clearly was not trying to kill you is a sure way to get killed.
Not reasonable thing to do.

Wow, your authoritarianism is showing through loud and clea.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

How in the heck is that remotely relevant?

it illustrates that the the guy has displayed remarkable lack reasonableness, at least once.
And attacking a guy gun who clearly was not trying to kill you is a sure way to get killed.

Clearly not trying to kill you? They chased him down in a truck, shouting threats at him, cornered him, and pull out a gun, and you say they "clearly" aren't trying to kill him? Apparently Arbery's only interpretation of being under threat is him being killed.

Zimmerman was allowed to kill Martin because he perceived he was in danger of his life because Martin was 'going for his gun'. Rittenhouse was allowed to kill people because they either attacked him or were moving towards him. But Arbery (black), isn't allowed to perceive a threat to his life when cornered and a gun is pulled out?

Not reasonable thing to do.

As opposed to grabbing your guns, getting in a truck to chase down a person that you did not witness committing a felony, yelling threats at them, then pulling out a gun?

We are supposed to concentrate on how Arbrary made bad choices?

And again, we are supposed to accept the claim of self-defense of the guy holding a gun, but not the guy who hasn't committed any crime (in fact surrounded by people are actively committing a crime in his detainment) and has a gun brandished at him?