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Black Opinions Don't Matter

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See, blacks can be just as selfish and reckless as whites who did the same. It just won't be plastered all over the media.

So you would have wished that they would have choked George Floyd to death some time other than when a global pandemic was raging? Or not shot Breonna Taylor, Ahmaud Arbery, Tony McDade, David McAtee and others? Then we wouldn't have all of the protests.

The whites who protested the quarantines did so because they believed the lies that they were told by those who believe that the Dow Jones average is more important than people's lives. Lies like "it's no worse than the seasonal flu," that it can be controlled by containment like closing travel down from countries with the disease, that it is a hoax, that it is a lie and a conspiracy by the Democrats to defeat Trump, that it will be over when the weather turns hot, that hospitals and doctors are exaggerating the death toils to get more money, that it is the wrath of a non-existing god that won't infect true believers, that it is only a danger to the older people with pre-existing conditions, that the young only get sniffles and have no responsibility to avoid infecting others because it screams "woke," SJW and a violation of the libertarian ideal of individual freedom, etc.

I wish that we would have had a competent government in charge when the pandemic hit the US instead of a conservative one that like all conservative governments bases governance on lies instead of facts, like those. Tens of thousands if not a hundred thousand people died that didn't have to as a result and we would recovering from the first wave now instead of leading the world in deaths.
 
The Help was a film about black women, and how a white woman helped them. It was criticized for being about the white help, not The Help itself.
Yeah, god-forbid a white person be portrayed positively in a movie about black people! Only negative depictions are politically correct!

The Wall of Moms are a bunch of white women out there protecting protesters of violence against blacks.
Those idiotic women aside, the "protesters" are not protesting "violence against blacks", they are demanding police be abolished, and are also glorifying thugs like Patrick Kimmons.

She is getting tearful over the treatment of blacks and that made me realize, a black's opinion in the US is worth shit.
Quite the opposite! On race, only black opinions are deemed valid in contemporary US. A white person's opinion is dismissed unless it fits exactly into the "white people are oppressors, black people are oppressed" mold; otherwise it is dismissed.

Case in point, Angry Floof. She thinks white people need to shut up and "bow down" to black people. That kind of racist bullshit is mainstream on the Left.
 
even a wall of dead black bodies - could ever garner.
The "wall of black bodies" is mostly created by other black people, not by cops. And vast majority of police shootings are justified.
But of course that fact doesn't fit the #BLM agenda and therefore it is ignored.

She went on to further praise them for the fact that when people contact the W.o.M. people, they are referred to black leaders to guide their actions.
Yupp. White people have a servile role in the "woke" movement. :rolleyes:
 
shut our mouths and bow to black people.
Fuck that self-hating racist shit, Floof!

All of them, even the ones you perceive as crazy or criminal, all of them.
I ain't bowing down to anybody, but certainly not to any crazy or criminal people, no matter their race.
Them being black does not make them special, or magical. To say that they are, or that I, because I am white, must bow down to them, is textbook racism.

Humble yourself and recognize their humanity. Period. No excuses. No whitesplaining or mansplaining. Just set yourself aside and be human.
Of course they are human. That is not even in question here. But I am human too. Which means my opinions should matter too. Which means I will not shut up and be subservient to people just because of my skin color.

Being human also means taking responsibility for one's actions. And recognizing that actions have consequences. Robbing people has consequences. Shooting gang rivals has consequences, especially if you are stupid enough to do it in view of police officers.
 
White people declaring all lives matter generally mean that lives of people like them matter more.
Nope.

Black lives didn’t matter when black people were placed in chains in the hulls of ships, sailor thousands of miles from their homes, forbidden to speak their own languages, have their own names, marry, read and write, were beaten, raped, murdered with impunity, were bought and sold like cattle,
Nobody alive today was alive then. Nobody alive today was responsible for what happened then. Nobody alive today was a victim of what happened then.
And nether are black people the only ones who were enslaved in history.

were forbidden to drink from the same fountains, go to the same schools or hospitals, VOTE, marry whom they chose.
That's more recent, and while some people who were victimized by it are alive today, most of us were born well after that and bear neither responsibility for it nor victimhood from it.
I do not think responsibility or victimization should be seen as a function of skin color.
By the way, as far as "marry whom they chose", there are plenty of blacks opposed to that too.
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when their children murdered.
What are you talking about? Are black children the only ones who get murdered, or are they just the ones you care about?

Their lives didn’t matter when they were directed into substandard housing and substandard loans and substandard schools and substandard jobs.
A more complex issue than the simplistic "white people are bad m'kay" treatment you give it here.

They didn’t matter when Tamir Rice was murdered by police officers
That was a tragedy, with many mistakes cascading to a fatal outcome, but it wasn't murder.

or when George Floyd begged for mercy with a cop’s knee on his neck.
If he wasn't high on fentanyl etc. he'd probably still be alive.

Or thousands of other times.
For example when Patrick Kimmons shot two guys and then refused to drop the gun.
Or when Jamee Johnson dove into his car trying to get to his gun (presumably to shoot and kill the police officer) during a traffic stop.
Or tens of thousands of other times.

Don’t go claiming that all lives matter until the lives of black people actually matter enough that they are treated as though they matter as much as white people.
People should be treated equally regardless of race.
There should be no discrimination either for or against black people.

But I refuse to carry "racial guilt" for something I am not responsible for, I refuse to shut up and I refuse to bow down to anyone.
 
BLM isn't about white lives not mattering. It's just about how Black folks
Why do you capitalize the one and not the other? Is it because you hold blacks in higher regard?

have been the victims of overly aggressive policing due to systemic racism.
That gets repeated often, but there is precious little evidence for "systemic racism" in policing.
White people get killed by police too, including in questionable/unjustified situations. It's just that blacks are somewhat more likely to be shot by police than whites.
But disparate outcomes are not evidence of "racism". The difference in police shooting rates can be explained by black people committing more crimes, which means more interactions with police.

So, to me, as a White person, the movement is simply asking that Black people be treated the same as White people and that no negative assumptions about them will be used by the police.
You are confusing me with your inconsistent capitalization.
But no, the "movement" is not simply asking that. They are making demands such as defunding or even abolishing police, and are falsely claiming that justified police shootings are "murder".

Statistically, far more Black citizens, often those who are innocent or have been suspected of committing a non violent crime are treated ruthlessly by law enforcement. Even when they aren't physical harmed, they are often harassed for no apparent reason, other than racist views held by too many police. That's the problem that needs to change. But, I would think the posters here are smart enough to understand that.
Where did you find those statistics?

To me, my fellow White peers, who object to BLM as a term are either totally clueless or hold some racist views that they might not even be aware of.
I object to the term because it is exclusionary. Contrast to this:
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A much better slogan! It points to their humanity while not implying they are more than-like #BLM does.

Note also that they actually had some real grievances in those days. Unlike the #BLMers.
That brings me to my next point. Not only is their slogan bad, but the movement is even worse.
They are hostile toward police, supportive of cop killers like JoAnne Chesimard, embracing of violent thugs, and led by "trained Marxists".

I've sure known plenty of clueless white people in my life who were unaware of their racism.
Or maybe you are wrong in thinking they are racist.
 
Tony McDade,
Tony McDade? He(transgender, but I think he went by "he") had just stabbed a guy (Malik Jackson) to death. Then he refused to drop his gun when he was shot. Sounds pretty justified to me.

David McAtee
He was shooting (probably at police) when they shot him. Seriously dude, just because police shoot someone black does not mean they did anything wrong.

The whites who protested the quarantines did so because they believed the lies that they were told by those who believe that the Dow Jones average is more important than people's lives.
The reason for their protest doesn't matter as much as their behavior. They behaved peacefully. The #BLMers attacked police, looted businesses, burned businesses and cars to the ground. They even shot people, including an 8 year old girl in Atlanta. Not comparable at all!
 
Maybe the white people could make signs and chant, "All Lives Matter". On second thought,...maybe not.

White people declaring all lives matter generally mean that lives of people like them matter more. Black lives didn’t matter when black people were placed in chains in the hulls of ships, sailor thousands of miles from their homes, forbidden to speak their own languages, have their own names, marry, read and write, were beaten, raped, murdered with impunity, were bought and sold like cattle, were forbidden to drink from the same fountains, go to the same schools or hospitals, VOTE, marry whom they chose. Black lives didn’t matter when crosses were burned in front of their homes, when their churches were burned, when their children murdered. Their lives didn’t matter when they were directed into substandard housing and substandard loans and substandard schools and substandard jobs. They didn’t matter when Tamir Rice was murdered by police officers or when George Floyd begged for mercy with a cop’s knee on his neck. Or thousands of other times.

Don’t go claiming that all lives matter until the lives of black people actually matter enough that they are treated as though they matter as much as white people.

While "all lives matter" is a position of the white supremacists it is also the position of those who find "black lives matter" to be racist. Once you consider crime rates blacks are not being shot disproportionately--the whole basis for it is false.
 
First of all, nobody is claiming that all Black/black people are innocent people, and nobody is saying that all White/white people are bad people. Okay. ( I haven't decided. yet how to capitalize when I'm referring to a group of people, but why the fuck do people like Derec care?

I will try to explain. If one is referring to a group as if they are an ethnicity, than I would say using a capital letter is probably best. If one is simply referring to the color of one's skin, there is no need to use a capital. But, imo, this is a very trivial matter. Sometimes I use a capital and sometimes I don't. I'm not and never will be a grammar or spelling Nazi because I think language and its usage are fluid. As long as I know what you're talking about, I could care less if you're spelling and grammar don't go by the book. See what I did there? People in the Northeast use the expression, "I could care less" instead of "I couldn't care less". We who are from the NY metro area know exactly what it means when someone says, I could care less. Okay? There are all sorts of expressions that don't meet the standard of the formal usage of English. So, don't get your panties in a wad if someone uses a capital to describe a group of people or not. :p

For that matter, nobody has black skin and nobody really has pure white skin. I'm beige. Okay. My husband is now considered a "person of color" because these days, people of Arabic descent are ofter referred to as people of color. Do I think all of this emphasis on skin color is insane? Yes. Yes I do. My husband used to consider himself white, but now we refer to him as "whitish", because we love humor. But, I digress.

It's nuts, but social construct or not, people who are considered black have had to deal with systemic racism. Even, highly educated professional black folks who have never committed a crime or looked out of place, have been harassed by the police. I've heard many of their stories. I've read about many of their experiences. It's a lot more common than some of you seem to think, but some of you are too closed minded to consider the possibility.

One of my Black friends says that she has never been harassed by the police. I'm happy for her, but that doesn't mean that a good number of other people with darker skin haven't bee the victims of systemic racism by law enforcement. How many times do we need to post the statistics regarding harassment by the police toward Black folks? They've been posted before. Look it up for yourself if you really care.

Again, all "Black Live Matter" means is that black lives matter just as much as white lives and they should be treated with the same respect and consideration that white people are usually treated. That doesn't mean that white people are never treated unfairly by law enforcement. It doesn't mean that all black folks treat all white folks fairly. Humans are humans. I have no doubt that if a different race or ethnicity held most of the power, they too would look down on those who are different looking or have different cultural practices, but there has been systemic racism in the fucking US since its inception. It's not as bad as it was, but it does seem that with a few steps forward, there is always a racist backlash by those who don't want to give up the power or privilege that their skin color gives them. We should all be treated equally under the law.

And, even if there is more crime committed by black folks, that in no way should mean that all black males should be suspected of being criminals. That is why policies like "stop and frisk" were wrong. If you don't see that, then you are obviously a racist. Most racists don't even realize they have racist tendencies. I've lived long enough to know that because I've had too many white friends and coworkers who have made racist remarks in front of me, and then when I point it out to them, they respond with something like, "I'm not a racist. I have a black friend". :rolleyes: That's not the most harmful type of racism, but it's still racism. But using your one black friend as a token doesn't excuse all of the assumptions you make about Black people as a group.

You don't think systemic racism is still alive and well, read some fucking books on the topic. You'll learn a lot.
 
Maybe the white people could make signs and chant, "All Lives Matter". On second thought,...maybe not.

White people declaring all lives matter generally mean that lives of people like them matter more. Black lives didn’t matter when black people were placed in chains in the hulls of ships, sailor thousands of miles from their homes, forbidden to speak their own languages, have their own names, marry, read and write, were beaten, raped, murdered with impunity, were bought and sold like cattle, were forbidden to drink from the same fountains, go to the same schools or hospitals, VOTE, marry whom they chose. Black lives didn’t matter when crosses were burned in front of their homes, when their churches were burned, when their children murdered. Their lives didn’t matter when they were directed into substandard housing and substandard loans and substandard schools and substandard jobs. They didn’t matter when Tamir Rice was murdered by police officers or when George Floyd begged for mercy with a cop’s knee on his neck. Or thousands of other times.

Don’t go claiming that all lives matter until the lives of black people actually matter enough that they are treated as though they matter as much as white people.

While "all lives matter" is a position of the white supremacists it is also the position of those who find "black lives matter" to be racist. Once you consider crime rates blacks are not being shot disproportionately--the whole basis for it is false.

Why do you think that blacks have a higher crime rate than white people?

Derec believes that it is genetic. Do you agree?
 
The world must seem so confusing and mysterious if you deny human biodiversity. Nothing makes sense, everything requires convoluted theories.
 
While "all lives matter" is a position of the white supremacists it is also the position of those who find "black lives matter" to be racist. Once you consider crime rates blacks are not being shot disproportionately--the whole basis for it is false.

Why do you think that blacks have a higher crime rate than white people?

Derec believes that it is genetic. Do you agree?

I have repeatedly said it's a cultural problem, not a genetic one. Urban poor environments are a hotbed of criminality and they have far more blacks than average.
 
While "all lives matter" is a position of the white supremacists it is also the position of those who find "black lives matter" to be racist. Once you consider crime rates blacks are not being shot disproportionately--the whole basis for it is false.

Why do you think that blacks have a higher crime rate than white people?

Derec believes that it is genetic. Do you agree?

I have repeatedly said it's a cultural problem, not a genetic one. Urban poor environments are a hotbed of criminality and they have far more blacks than average.

And I've repeatedly said that this is a bad reason to discriminate against those that have risen out. As have many others.
 
Maybe the white people could make signs and chant, "All Lives Matter". On second thought,...maybe not.

White people declaring all lives matter generally mean that lives of people like them matter more. Black lives didn’t matter when black people were placed in chains in the hulls of ships, sailor thousands of miles from their homes, forbidden to speak their own languages, have their own names, marry, read and write, were beaten, raped, murdered with impunity, were bought and sold like cattle, were forbidden to drink from the same fountains, go to the same schools or hospitals, VOTE, marry whom they chose. Black lives didn’t matter when crosses were burned in front of their homes, when their churches were burned, when their children murdered. Their lives didn’t matter when they were directed into substandard housing and substandard loans and substandard schools and substandard jobs. They didn’t matter when Tamir Rice was murdered by police officers or when George Floyd begged for mercy with a cop’s knee on his neck. Or thousands of other times.

Don’t go claiming that all lives matter until the lives of black people actually matter enough that they are treated as though they matter as much as white people.

While "all lives matter" is a position of the white supremacists it is also the position of those who find "black lives matter" to be racist. Once you consider crime rates blacks are not being shot disproportionately--the whole basis for it is false.
You've been shown, multiple times, that this is bullshit, yet you keep saying it.
 
While "all lives matter" is a position of the white supremacists it is also the position of those who find "black lives matter" to be racist. Once you consider crime rates blacks are not being shot disproportionately--the whole basis for it is false.

Why do you think that blacks have a higher crime rate than white people?

Derec believes that it is genetic. Do you agree?

I have repeatedly said it's a cultural problem, not a genetic one. Urban poor environments are a hotbed of criminality and they have far more blacks than average.
The problem (one of them) is that you stop right there, and then argue against any and all proposed remedies that might slightly inconvenience white people.
 
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