BLM end goal? In Fear of Public Scrutiny, Chicago Officer Didn’t Use Gun While She Was Beaten

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I am very skeptical of this story.

 

[Lumpenproletariat]

If you want to protect society from cop-killers and other violent criminals, you're a Nazi.

Too bad. One more scumbag taxpayers have to take care of. The cop should be reprimanded for NOT shooting the bastard.

But from your rant, it is clear his life doesn't matter.

Considering the warehousing cost, he's obviously a net loss to society. The money we'll have to waste on him could have gone to schools or hospitals or other legitimate needs.

Why is the life of this subhuman more important than the welfare of society? of us all?

And how many more cops will get beat up and killed in the future because we've devalued their lives and overvalued the lives of the scum they're supposed to protect us from?

That's some good trolling. BTW lots of people thought about Jews and other peoples the same way some couple generations ago.

So Jews and criminals belong in the same category?

Uh-huh. And who are those "other peoples" you're slandering by equating them to criminals?

 

[AthenaAwakened]

I had no idea some people were so scared of black people.

And it is usually the same people who say black people need to help themselves then the moment black people make any kind a move to empower themselves or use the power they have, these people damn the move and demonize black folk.

 

[dismal]

I had no idea some people were so scared of black people.

And it is usually the same people who say black people need to help themselves then the moment black people make any kind a move to empower themselves or use the power they have, these people damn the move and demonize black folk.

I'm not sure beating the shit out of a police officer = empowering yourself. Necessarily, anyway.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Is this the end goal that BLMers and their sympathizers want?

A Chicago police officer who was "viciously" beaten by a man allegedly under the influence of drugs said she was afraid to use her weapon because of the public scrutiny she would have faced, according to Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson.

The officer, identified only as a 17-year veteran, was responding to a car crash in the suburban neighborhood of Austin Wednesday when the attack took place, KTLA sister station WGN in Chicago reported.

The officer tried to talk to one of the drivers involved in the crash, a 28-year-old man believed to be high on PCP, when he became violent and struggled with police, Johnson said.

While wrestling on the ground, the the man allegedly grabbed the officer's head and slammed her face into the pavement repeatedly until she lost consciousness, he said.

The attack "went on for several minutes," according to the superintendent.

The officer's partner was able to subdue the suspect using a Taser and pepper spray, according to the Chicago Tribune, but two other officers were also injured and later hospitalized following the struggle.“As I was at the hospital last night, visiting with her, she looked at me and said she thought she was gonna die, and she knew that she should shoot this guy, but she chose not to because she didn’t want her family or the department to go through the scrutiny the next day on national news,” Johnson said.

Johnson, who was speaking at a ceremony honoring police officers and firefighters, added that he didn't know the details of the investigation and couldn't say whether or not shooting the attacker would have been justified.

"I think it's pretty apparent that it was a horrific incident," Johnson said. "Anytime you face a life-or-death situation, then you can use deadly force, because that's what he was trying to do to her."

He added it's an example of the dangers police face while doing their job.

"And because of the scrutiny going on nationwide, there (are) officers second-guessing themselves," he said. "That’s what we don’t want.”

Charges are pending against the unidentified man who is accused of attacking the officers, according to police.

http://ktla.com/2016/10/07/chicago-cop-says-she-was-afraid-to-use-gun-while-being-severely-beaten/

The "didn't use my gun" line appears to be bullshit. This guy basically beat up four different officers and she was only the most badly injured. I could see ONE officer being afraid to fire, but all four of them? Even her partner ended up using a taser and pepper spray to bring the guy down.

More importantly: the injured officer is still alive, and so is the suspect they arrested. No one died, so that's a WIN. That's kind of exactly what "black lives matter" is all about: you don't get to kill people just because you're afraid of getting injured. If you're that worried about getting overpowered by a drug-crazed suspect, you might want to invest in some kickboxing classes.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

If that's all you got out of my post, you didn't read it with comprehension.

Not every case will present itself as a clear cut choice between 100% right and 100% wrong. Sometimes cops will have to guess, and no one wants them to guess wrong. But ffs, no one sensible wants to give the cops free rein to fire at will.

Cops aren't allowed to pre-emptively shoot people. They must wait until there is an apparent threat to their lives or the lives of others before they open fire, and that's a good thing.

Sometimes the cops will be taken by surprise. Sometimes someone will get hurt. And sometimes a cop might be killed. But allowing cops to shoot citizens when there is no apparent threat is not acceptable to anyone who isn't a fan of police states.

The point is you seem to consider the outcome we got as superior to the cop shooting.

Of course it's superior. NOBODY DIED.

That you believe otherwise demonstrates where your priorities are: the lives of "thugs" don't matter to you, only the comfort of the police.

 

[Derec]

I had no idea some people were so scared of black people.

Who said anything about being scared of black people qua black people?

And it is usually the same people who say black people need to help themselves then the moment black people make any kind a move to empower themselves or use the power they have, these people damn the move and demonize black folk.

When people talk about that what they usually mean is things like staying in school, not engaging in criminal activity of joining gangs, practice safe sex so you don't end up with three kids by the age of 22.
Not riot in the streets, block highways, beat up police officers, etc.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The point is you seem to consider the outcome we got as superior to the cop shooting.

The law agrees with you--in Iran. Not in any civilized country.

Uh, no. Fascist police states support the police, not the civilians. Duh!

I picked Iran because there the law absolutely favors the man. It's murder for a woman to kill a man even in clear self defense.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Is this the end goal that BLMers and their sympathizers want?



http://ktla.com/2016/10/07/chicago-cop-says-she-was-afraid-to-use-gun-while-being-severely-beaten/

The "didn't use my gun" line appears to be bullshit. This guy basically beat up four different officers and she was only the most badly injured. I could see ONE officer being afraid to fire, but all four of them? Even her partner ended up using a taser and pepper spray to bring the guy down.

More importantly: the injured officer is still alive, and so is the suspect they arrested. No one died, so that's a WIN. That's kind of exactly what "black lives matter" is all about: you don't get to kill people just because you're afraid of getting injured. If you're that worried about getting overpowered by a drug-crazed suspect, you might want to invest in some kickboxing classes.

Once the first one didn't fire and got into a melee the others might not have had a clean shot.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The point is you seem to consider the outcome we got as superior to the cop shooting.

Of course it's superior. NOBODY DIED.

That you believe otherwise demonstrates where your priorities are: the lives of "thugs" don't matter to you, only the comfort of the police.

So somebody is raping your wife. You have a gun but you don't protect her?

 

[laughing dog]

Of course it's superior. NOBODY DIED.

That you believe otherwise demonstrates where your priorities are: the lives of "thugs" don't matter to you, only the comfort of the police.

So somebody is raping your wife. You have a gun but you don't protect her?

Channeling George Bush are you? First, if your wife is being raped, you cannot protect her - you can only stop the rape. Second, and most revealing is that you think the only way someone could stop someone in the act of rape is to shoot them.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Uh, no. Fascist police states support the police, not the civilians. Duh!

I picked Iran because there the law absolutely favors the man. It's murder for a woman to kill a man even in clear self defense.

That's patriarchy, which while it has something in common with fascism, it's not fascism. Also, a police state still favors police over civilians, kind of like you do.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Who said anything about being scared of black people qua black people?

And it is usually the same people who say black people need to help themselves then the moment black people make any kind a move to empower themselves or use the power they have, these people damn the move and demonize black folk.

When people talk about that what they usually mean is things like staying in school, not engaging in criminal activity of joining gangs, practice safe sex so you don't end up with three kids by the age of 22.
Not riot in the streets, block highways, beat up police officers, etc.

In other words, don't scare white people. don't upset white people and clear any and all actions you may take for whatever reason with white people.

Uh no.

And as for blaming everything on BLM...



Unless you are prepared to prove that police officers didn't get beat up BEFORE BLM. then BULLSHIT to what you think happened.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I picked Iran because there the law absolutely favors the man. It's murder for a woman to kill a man even in clear self defense.

That's patriarchy, which while it has something in common with fascism, it's not fascism. Also, a police state still favors police over civilians, kind of like you do.

I favor the innocent over the guilty.

 

[Underseer]

Yes, that must be it.

It's not that they are asking to not be murdered. It must be part of an elaborate conspiracy to get away with stuff. Why, they probably goaded the police into murdering completely innocent unarmed men, women and children as part of a sinister conspiracy to get away with stuff!!!!! Somebody do something!!!!


Fuck this entire fucking country.

Only in America could asking to not be murdered be a controversial political position.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Who said anything about being scared of black people qua black people?


When people talk about that what they usually mean is things like staying in school, not engaging in criminal activity of joining gangs, practice safe sex so you don't end up with three kids by the age of 22.
Not riot in the streets, block highways, beat up police officers, etc.

In other words, don't scare white people. don't upset white people and clear any and all actions you may take for whatever reason with white people.

Uh no.

And as for blaming everything on BLM...



Unless you are prepared to prove that police officers didn't get beat up BEFORE BLM. then BULLSHIT to what you think happened.

I'm not sure how BLM was even entered into this because this was an arrest where one officer was injured. . The question to be asked is how come there were a few police around but one got injured. There are lots of things we can speculate about but certainly BLM can't be a contributing factor unless one of its members was involved. which does not seem to be the case.

In some countries like the UK and police don't generally carry guns and are trained to arrest people without these nor tasers and truncheons.

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Who said anything about being scared of black people qua black people?


When people talk about that what they usually mean is things like staying in school, not engaging in criminal activity of joining gangs, practice safe sex so you don't end up with three kids by the age of 22.
Not riot in the streets, block highways, beat up police officers, etc.

In other words, don't scare white people. don't upset white people and clear any and all actions you may take for whatever reason with white people.

Uh no.

And as for blaming everything on BLM...



Unless you are prepared to prove that police officers didn't get beat up BEFORE BLM. then BULLSHIT to what you think happened.

I'm not sure how BLM was even entered into this because this was an arrest where one officer was injured. . The question to be asked is how come there were a few police around but one got injured. There are lots of things we can speculate about but certainly BLM can't be a contributing factor unless one of its members was involved. which does not seem to be the case.

In some countries like the UK and police don't generally carry guns and are trained to arrest people without these nor tasers and truncheons.

 

[laughing dog]

That's patriarchy, which while it has something in common with fascism, it's not fascism. Also, a police state still favors police over civilians, kind of like you do.

I favor the innocent over the guilty.

That is not how I recall the Tamir Rice discussion.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

I favor the innocent over the guilty.

That is not how I recall the Tamir Rice discussion.

Don't you know? Black people are never innocent. Black babies in cribs could at any time throw a rattle and put an eye out, so they should be shot for having a loaded toy that scares police

 

[whichphilosophy]

That is not how I recall the Tamir Rice discussion.

Don't you know? Black people are never innocent. Black babies in cribs could at any time throw a rattle and put an eye out, so they should be shot for having a loaded toy that scares police

This is the predisposition of Pigment Disorder wherein the the darker shade of skin colour predetermines guilt which of course is pseudo science. However I think for the majority of whites and blacks, ethnicity is not an issue. To a vocal few it is.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

That's patriarchy, which while it has something in common with fascism, it's not fascism. Also, a police state still favors police over civilians, kind of like you do.

I favor the innocent over the guilty.

Your posts collectively show an opinion in favor of police versus suspects, or even police security versus suspects' lives. That, however, should be the police state you are railing against. I suggest next time you want to justify police killing a suspect, you simply don't use the phrase "police state" or you won't convince anyone.