BLM leader: Looting is "reparations".

[Derec]

A prominent #BLM leader in Chicago is justifying the widespread looting the city has suffered recently.

Black Lives Matter Holds Rally Supporting Individuals Arrested in Chicago Looting Monday

Members of Black Lives Matter held a solidarity rally on Monday night with the more than 100 individuals who were arrested after a night of looting and unrest in Chicago.
The rally was held at the South Loop police station where organizers say those individuals are currently being held in custody.
“I don’t care if someone decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy’s or a Nike store, because that makes sure that person eats,” Ariel Atkins, a BLM organizer, said. “That makes sure that person has clothes.”

That is an unimaginable amount of entitlement! Nobody needs Gucci or Nike to have "clothes". Shop at Walmart or Goodwill you broke-ass motherfucker!

But Ariel Atkins, a prominent BLM leader, goes even further.

“That is reparations,” Atkins said. “Anything they wanted to take, they can take it because these businesses have insurance.”

That is unimaginable stupidity! Insurance is not free money. And you are not entitled to free stuff just because you feel you are owed "reparations". I can't go around stealing stuff from random Turks and claim "reparations" either, so why should she?

Chicago police believe the looting began after officers shot a man in the city’s Englewood neighborhood on Sunday afternoon. Authorities say the man, identified as 20-year-old Latrell Allen, had a gun and fired at police before they returned fire, striking and wounding him.

And of course, #BLMers support a violent criminal and oppose police. More about Latrell Allen in a separate thread to avoid autodetailing. This thread is about #BLM's support for looting and other criminal activity.

Chicago Trubune of the Plebs is writing about the #BLMers too.

Black Lives Matter protest: ‘We don’t need police. We need care.’

So much for the claim that they don't really want to abolish police.

About 100 people gathered outside the Central District station on Monday evening in a demonstration organized by Black Lives Matter Chicago. Several protesters held a banner that read, “Our futures have been looted from us ... loot back.”

Yeah, these retailers are not "looting your future". Your poor life choices are. Like the life choice to "protest" for 75 days on end instead of doing something productive or the choice to commit theft, arson and other crimes.

“There’s no such thing as a bad protester,” Atkins said. “Also, (we’re) demanding that police be defunded. Police should not be here. They should not exist, especially because we’re giving them all this money to beat and terrorize us. We’re giving them all this money when it’s like we’re in an actual pandemic and people need care right now, but you’re giving them police.

Uh-huh.

“I don’t even think that the misinformation matters when at the end of the day, police, who are supposed to protect, shot somebody who was not endangering somebody,” she said. “The neighborhood reacted exactly as they would whether that person was 15 or 20.”

Reminds me of when AOC said that being factually correct doesn't matter as long as she sees herself as morally (self) righteous.

The Black Abolitionist Network for the defund the police campaign is asking Mayor Lori Lightfoot to take away 75% of the Chicago Police Department’s budget, with the goal of eventually getting rid of all funding and using that money for education, jobs, housing, health care and more, Atkins said.

Her idiocy speaks for itself.

“I think (the looting) is fine. People protest however they need to. People do whatever they need. These businesses have insurance. They can get it all back. We can’t get our lives back once they kill us. We can’t get rid of that trauma once you’ve been attacked by a police officer.”

The amount of ignorance of basic economics here is astounding. And how about people get a fucking job or two if they want Gucci whatever instead of stealing it from those who work for what they have?

BTW, if I was GOP I'd play Ariel Atkins on a loop in campaign ads.

 

[Politesse]

Nobody needs Gucci or Nike to have "clothes"

That's not how looting works, lol! You re-sell the things, then you get to eat. It's capitalism working as usual, just with the other end of the class ladder doing the initial theft instead of in the usual direction.

 

[KeepTalking]

“I think (the looting) is fine. People protest however they need to. People do whatever they need. These businesses have insurance. They can get it all back. We can’t get our lives back once they kill us. We can’t get rid of that trauma once you’ve been attacked by a police officer.”

The amount of ignorance of basic economics here is astounding. And how about people get a fucking job or two if they want Gucci whatever instead of stealing it from those who work for what they have?

I was recently exposed to this line of thinking while reading Trevor Noah's book about growing up in apartheid South Africa, Born A Crime. In that case it was a crackhead explaining why he stole from white people to support his habit, and it was because white people have insurance, and they will get paid back for it, so it isn't really stealing. Yes, it is an attitude born of ignorance, but at least it is an ignorance I can understand, and a kind of ignorance that will continue to propagate as long as systemic racism keeps large percentages of black people in poverty.

BTW, if I was GOP I'd play Ariel Atkins on a loop in campaign ads.

Why, is she running for office?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Talk about Cubans and Cuba foreign policy and the Cubans in the US deserve reparations for what was taken when Castro seized power.

Talk about African Americans who had a bad hand dealt to them for roughly 95% of the nation's existence... people get queezy. Looting certainly isn't an effective method of providing reparations. Of course, we still have lots of poor African Americans living in housing with lead paint that is poisoning children's brains....

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

BTW, if I was GOP I'd play Ariel Atkins on a loop in campaign ads.

Why, is she running for office?

Naw, more because they are trying to say Nancy Pelosi answers to Atkins.

 

[Derec]

Nobody needs Gucci or Nike to have "clothes"

That's not how looting works, lol! You re-sell the things, then you get to eat. It's capitalism working as usual, just with the other end of the class ladder doing the initial theft instead of in the usual direction.

Capitalism only works with protection for private property. Theft must be prosecuted and not excused.

And don't get me the spiel that they need to "eat". This is not Jean Valjean stealing a loaf of bread! There is food stamps and food banks. Nobody needs to loot to "eat".

 

[Politesse]

Capitalism only works with protection for private property.

For some. Capitalism got its capital in the first place by requisitioning it from the poor and colonized, its bejeweled and lazy aristocracy themselves the inheritors of the former oppressions of church and empire. Neither money nor land spring up out of nowhere.

No, nobody needs to loot. But they might want to, if raised in an inherently acquisitive and victor-worshipping communal culture. Valjean didn't need to steal, either. He was young, he was healthy, he could have got a job. So why is he the hero of the show?

 

[laughing dog]

Nobody needs Gucci or Nike to have "clothes"

That's not how looting works, lol! You re-sell the things, then you get to eat. It's capitalism working as usual, just with the other end of the class ladder doing the initial theft instead of in the usual direction.

Capitalism only works with protection for private property. Theft must be prosecuted and not excused.

And don't get me the spiel that they need to "eat". This is not Jean Valjean stealing a loaf of bread! There is food stamps and food banks. Nobody needs to loot to "eat".

Not every one is eligible for food stamps. And food banks do run out. That does not justify looting to eat, but it is pretty fucking ignorant to think that there are not people going hungry in the USA.

 

[Emily Lake]

Capitalism got its capital in the first place by requisitioning it from the poor and colonized, its bejeweled and lazy aristocracy themselves the inheritors of the former oppressions of church and empire. Neither money nor land spring up out of nowhere.

I thought capitalism was a result of the rise of the Merchant class, which also kidn of led to the end of nobility as the ruling class. Capitalism allowed for a middle class to exist in the first place. I'm a bit fuzzy on this, but I think it also has some interaction with Protestantism.

 

[Politesse]

Capitalism got its capital in the first place by requisitioning it from the poor and colonized, its bejeweled and lazy aristocracy themselves the inheritors of the former oppressions of church and empire. Neither money nor land spring up out of nowhere.

I thought capitalism was a result of the rise of the Merchant class, which also kidn of led to the end of nobility as the ruling class. Capitalism allowed for a middle class to exist in the first place. I'm a bit fuzzy on this, but I think it also has some interaction with Protestantism.

Ah.did it now? And where did the Merchants get their wealth from, eh?

 

[Trausti]

Capitalism got its capital in the first place by requisitioning it from the poor and colonized, its bejeweled and lazy aristocracy themselves the inheritors of the former oppressions of church and empire. Neither money nor land spring up out of nowhere.

I thought capitalism was a result of the rise of the Merchant class, which also kidn of led to the end of nobility as the ruling class. Capitalism allowed for a middle class to exist in the first place. I'm a bit fuzzy on this, but I think it also has some interaction with Protestantism.

Ah.did it now? And where did the Merchants get their wealth from, eh?

Yes, where did South Koreans get their wealth from?

 

[Politesse]

Ah.did it now? And where did the Merchants get their wealth from, eh?

Yes, where did South Koreans get their wealth from?

Same way as everywhere else, ruthless exploitation of the poor and the friendship of a superpower that saw them as a useful proxy.

 

[Bomb#20]

Capitalism got its capital in the first place by requisitioning it from the poor and colonized, its bejeweled and lazy aristocracy themselves the inheritors of the former oppressions of church and empire. Neither money nor land spring up out of nowhere.

I thought capitalism was a result of the rise of the Merchant class, which also kidn of led to the end of nobility as the ruling class. Capitalism allowed for a middle class to exist in the first place. I'm a bit fuzzy on this, but I think it also has some interaction with Protestantism.

Oh, king, eh? Very nice. And how'd you get that, eh? By exploiting the workers! By hanging on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society! If there's ever going to be any progress
...
I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective.
You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship! A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes
Oh there you go, bringing class into it again!
But that's what it's all about! If only people would realise
...
Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! HELP, HELP, I'M BEING REPRESSED!
...
Oh, what a giveaway. Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you see him repressing me? You saw it, didn't you?

 

[Testy Calibrate]

Nobody needs Gucci or Nike to have "clothes"

That's not how looting works, lol! You re-sell the things, then you get to eat. It's capitalism working as usual, just with the other end of the class ladder doing the initial theft instead of in the usual direction.

Capitalism only works with protection for private property. Theft must be prosecuted and not excused.

And don't get me the spiel that they need to "eat". This is not Jean Valjean stealing a loaf of bread! There is food stamps and food banks. Nobody needs to loot to "eat".

That a fact? [Citation needed]

 

[Testy Calibrate]

Hey Derec, why is it bad that whites are being replaced with darker skinned children?

 

[Harry Bosch]

Capitalism only works with protection for private property. Theft must be prosecuted and not excused.

And don't get me the spiel that they need to "eat". This is not Jean Valjean stealing a loaf of bread! There is food stamps and food banks. Nobody needs to loot to "eat".

That a fact? [Citation needed]

The central tenant of capitalism is the right to private property. If citizens can't freely accumulate capital due to theft or whatever capitalism collapses. What would the purpose of a capitalistic system if people couldn't own anything? What kind of a citation do you need here?

 

[Emily Lake]

Capitalism got its capital in the first place by requisitioning it from the poor and colonized, its bejeweled and lazy aristocracy themselves the inheritors of the former oppressions of church and empire. Neither money nor land spring up out of nowhere.

I thought capitalism was a result of the rise of the Merchant class, which also kidn of led to the end of nobility as the ruling class. Capitalism allowed for a middle class to exist in the first place. I'm a bit fuzzy on this, but I think it also has some interaction with Protestantism.

Ah.did it now? And where did the Merchants get their wealth from, eh?

From providing services and goods that both nobles and commoners wanted. By inventing insurance and financial markets. What they didn't do was "requisition" money from anyone at all.

 

[Emily Lake]

Same way as everywhere else, ruthless exploitation of the poor and the friendship of a superpower that saw them as a useful proxy.

Do you genuinely think that the only way anyone gets any wealth is by exploitation?

 

[Bomb#20]

Back before social classes arose, mankind lived by primitive communism, and it was an Eden-like time of universal happiness and prosperity, because all the wealth subsequently possessed by the rich was originally held in common and there was plenty for everybody. We know this is true. It's an elementary consequence of the Law of Conservation of Material Goods and Services.

 

[ruby sparks]

Same way as everywhere else, ruthless exploitation of the poor and the friendship of a superpower that saw them as a useful proxy.

Do you genuinely think that the only way anyone gets any wealth is by exploitation?

See: Marxist ideology.

And before I am accused of being anti-Marxist, I'm not. But I'm not a Marxist either. It's like most things, complex. Exploitation is/was part of it, yes, but only a part.