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#BLMers, classy as always

The line item for the money even lists it as "Black Lives Matter". At some point, they are not fooling anyone and neither are you.
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So are you accusing them of lying when they say:

MPS officials told WISN that, despite the name of the allocation and its description as a “partnership,” the program won’t actually team up with an existing Black Lives Matter organization. Instead, it is merely intended to partner with people who share the movement’s concerns and goals.

(also in the article you are selectively quoting from)
 
Ah, so if someone is angry and says that black lives matter, those people don't matter to you. Only happy blacks count. Or blacks that are angry, but don't express their anger in ways which make you uncomfortable.
So tell me which of the behaviors I listed above do you agree with and why? Please be specific. Also please tell us how these behaviors would enrich the educational experience of school children in Milwaukee.


Why should I bother? I could say I disagree with all of them, but that's not the point, is it?

This post (like many of your posts) is taking the worst behavior of a sub-set of people and using that behavior to cast aspersions on an entire segment of society. Like your posts about false rape claims which you use to paint women in a negative light, constantly harping on "Black Lives Matter" is your way of taking black people in general down a notch.

Blacks have legitimate gripes. We all know the stats...they're incarcerated at a much higher rate because they're targeted by law enforcement more often (driving while black, etc.) and there have been several high profile cases in the last few years of law enforcement (or neighborhood watchmen) gunning down black people on questionable premises. These gripes (combined with the lasting effects of decades of institutional racism which followed centuries of slavery) manifest themselves in anger among the black community, and in some cases that anger is expressed in inappropriate behavior.

What you're doing here (again) is focusing on those expressions of inappropriate behavior in an attempt to dismiss the very legitimate complaints that black people in America have, had, and will continue to have unless we as a society do something to address those problems. Instead, you're refusing to admit that those complaints are legitimate, and are instead trying to make it seem if Black Lives Matter is the real problem. It isn't. Black Lives Matter is a result of the problem.
 
We have thread after thread started on black lives matter and rape, and the same arguments are put forth ad nauseum and Derec proves himself time and again to be incapable of internalizing or accepting them. At what point does it become illogical to continue discussion with someone who is incapable of seeing reason or having logical discourse? Maybe if we just stopped responding to these and similar threads they would just stop.
 
We have thread after thread started on black lives matter and rape, and the same arguments are put forth ad nauseum and Derec proves himself time and again to be incapable of internalizing or accepting them. At what point does it become illogical to continue discussion with someone who is incapable of seeing reason or having logical discourse? Maybe if we just stopped responding to these and similar threads they would just stop.

While he's certainly not always right I think he has a case here. This looks like basically 500k of appeasement money.
 
How can we reword, "black lives matter" so that the unintended suggestive idea is absent?

To illustrate, a black person once asked me, "you don't like black people do you?," to which I for humorous purposes responded, "no." An elderly colored lady immediately said to the guy, "don't listen to him honey; he don't like white people either."

See, the statement, "I don't like black people," is not necessarily racist, and my example illustrates that the IMPLICATION is absent, but despite that, it's highly SUGGESTIVE that it is.

The statement, "black lives matter" doesn't IMPLY that the only lives that matter are black lives, but (and especially when spouted by blacks towards whites in an angry tone) the phrase highly SUGGESTS which lives they think matters.

The idea of retorting that all lives matter is understandable, but it minimizes the reasoning behind why the phrase ever come to be. If blacks are disproportionately taken at the hands of police, the phrasing by blacks is a reminder that not only do the lives of non-blacks matter, but their lives matter too.

So, the phrasing is unfortunate because of the negative suggestion that either only their lives matter or their lives are more important, and the phrasing all lives matter minimizes the point of saying it to begin with, but more appropriately, "black lives matter too" reinforces some rather acceptable ideas like the lives of blacks should matter to those in power who are too quick to act like their lives don't.
 
We have thread after thread started on black lives matter and rape, and the same arguments are put forth ad nauseum and Derec proves himself time and again to be incapable of internalizing or accepting them. At what point does it become illogical to continue discussion with someone who is incapable of seeing reason or having logical discourse? Maybe if we just stopped responding to these and similar threads they would just stop.

While he's certainly not always right I think he has a case here. This looks like basically 500k of appeasement money.
Why on earth would the Milwaukee School system feel it has to "appease" anyone?
 
We have thread after thread started on black lives matter and rape, and the same arguments are put forth ad nauseum and Derec proves himself time and again to be incapable of internalizing or accepting them. At what point does it become illogical to continue discussion with someone who is incapable of seeing reason or having logical discourse? Maybe if we just stopped responding to these and similar threads they would just stop.

While he's certainly not always right I think he has a case here. This looks like basically 500k of appeasement money.

"appeasement"?

Are you suggesting that budgeting money for partnerships with CollegeBoard to identify minorities for Advanced Placement studies is also "appeasement"?

Perhaps the program that partners Northwestern Mutual, City Year and Teach for America to improve attendance and behavior, and increase learning at underperforming schools is also "appeasement"?

The "Black Lives Matter" program is not actually in partnership with any "Black Lives Matter" protest group. It is actually a program modeled on the "My Brother's Keeper" initiative.

When asked for comment on the line-item appropriation in the MPS budget, the district's Media Manager Tony Tagliavia told RightWisconsin the following:

We are charged as a school district with ensuring that all students are prepared for college, careers and life. Wisconsin and Milwaukee are home to some of the largest educational and economic disparities in the country. This is one of many reasons why we have established eight strategic objectives to improve outcomes for all students. This effort is directly connected to that important work.

To your specific request, that's a valid question. The name refers back to the fact that racial disparities in education is one of the issues raised by the movement. Those disparities are where this work is focused.
http://www.rightwisconsin.com/opini...-schools-budget-471073-for-black-lives-matter
 
Here is the genesis of the movement Derec disparages regularly:

Alicia Garza spoke of the origins of the movement, reminding us that “[It] didn’t start as a 501c3. It’s a love note to black people.” Their powerful words brought the crowds to a standing ovation as they accepted their awards.

Alicia Garza was watching television news in an Oakland, Calif., bar with friends when neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman was acquitted of murder in the killing of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old African-American.

"It was as if we had all been punched in the gut," she recalled.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/03/04/alicia-garza-black-lives-matter/24341593/

“Everything went quiet, everything and everyone,” Garza says now. “And then people started to leave en masse. The one thing I remember from that evening, other than crying myself to sleep that night, was the way in which as a black person, I felt incredibly vulnerable, incredibly exposed and incredibly enraged. Seeing these black people leaving the bar, and it was like we couldn’t look at each other. We were carrying this burden around with us every day: of racism and white supremacy. It was a verdict that said: black people are not safe in America.”

Garza logged on to Facebook. She wrote an impassioned online message, “essentially a love note to black people”, and posted it on her page. It ended with: “Black people. I love you. I love us. Our lives matter.”

Garza’s close friend, Patrisse Cullors, read the post in a motel room 300 miles away from Oakland that same night. Cullors, also a community organiser working in prison reform, started sharing Garza’s words with her friends online. She used a hashtag each time she reposted: #blacklivesmatter.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/19/blacklivesmatter-birth-civil-rights-movement

"Black people. I love you. I love us. Our lives matter, Black Lives Matter" ~~Alicia Garza

Derec, perhaps you can help me out here... what is so objectionable to you?
 
Dartmouth BLM Protesters Tear Down Memorial To Slain Police

About time SPLC designate #BLM as a hate group.

Also, public schools are always hurting for money, but apparently they have more than enough to push #BLM
Milwaukee Public Schools Will Spend Almost $500,000 Pushing Black Lives Matter

That money would have been much better spent on actual education rather than on racial propaganda. You know, things like math and science, English classes, foreign languages, practical things like shop class or home ec. But no, they decided to spend money on hiring "social studies" teachers to spew #BLM nonsense.
Wow! Derec complaining about class. Now that is funny!
 
While he's certainly not always right I think he has a case here. This looks like basically 500k of appeasement money.

"appeasement"?

Are you suggesting that budgeting money for partnerships with CollegeBoard to identify minorities for Advanced Placement studies is also "appeasement"?

Perhaps the program that partners Northwestern Mutual, City Year and Teach for America to improve attendance and behavior, and increase learning at underperforming schools is also "appeasement"?

The "Black Lives Matter" program is not actually in partnership with any "Black Lives Matter" protest group. It is actually a program modeled on the "My Brother's Keeper" initiative.

When asked for comment on the line-item appropriation in the MPS budget, the district's Media Manager Tony Tagliavia told RightWisconsin the following:

We are charged as a school district with ensuring that all students are prepared for college, careers and life. Wisconsin and Milwaukee are home to some of the largest educational and economic disparities in the country. This is one of many reasons why we have established eight strategic objectives to improve outcomes for all students. This effort is directly connected to that important work.

To your specific request, that's a valid question. The name refers back to the fact that racial disparities in education is one of the issues raised by the movement. Those disparities are where this work is focused.
http://www.rightwisconsin.com/opini...-schools-budget-471073-for-black-lives-matter
To people like Derec and Loren Pechtel, helping minorities is always "appeasement" because otherwise the Black Panthers will re-emerge and take over the USA this time.
 
The idea of retorting that all lives matter is understandable, but it minimizes the reasoning behind why the phrase ever come to be. If blacks are disproportionately taken at the hands of police, the phrasing by blacks is a reminder that not only do the lives of non-blacks matter, but their lives matter too.

Keyword: If.

Reality:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/429905/police-shootings-december-2015-facts

(Note that the Dec 2015 isn't a cherry-pick, it's the month before the article was published.)
 
To people like Derec and Loren Pechtel, helping minorities is always "appeasement" because otherwise the Black Panthers will re-emerge and take over the USA this time.

I won't speak for Derec but I'm objecting to this specific case as the money does not seem to be allocated for any productive purpose, but rather for racist reasons.

I have no problem with helping minorities. (Although I object to "minority" as a criteria in judging who needs help. Help those that need help!!) I do have a problem with throwing gas on the fire and pretending you're helping.
 
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So tell me which of the behaviors I listed above do you agree with and why? Please be specific. Also please tell us how these behaviors would enrich the educational experience of school children in Milwaukee.

So you point to a line item budget which includes 0.06% funding for something called Black Lives Matter and you argue, in spite of the article saying the district plans to work with groups that support objectives of BLM, then you ask what pictured aspects you presented from your vantage point do I support. I support what the Milwaukee SB plans to do with the funding which seems pretty educational to me. What do you see about

The objectives posted by B L M that are objectionable

The plans calls for:
  • Ending "broken windows" policing, which aggressively polices minor crimes in an attempt to stop larger ones
  • using community oversight for misconduct rather than having police decide what consequences officers face
  • making standards for reporting police use of deadly force
  • independently investigating and prosecuting police misconduct
  • having the racial makeup of police departments reflect the communities they serve
  • requiring officers to wear body cameras
  • providing more training for police officers
  • ending for-profit policing practices
  • ending the police use of military equipment
  • implementing police union contracts that hold officers accountable for misconduct

Like Faux News sez "Fair and Balanced" and amended by CBS news sez "the facts honestly"
 
So you point to a line item budget which includes 0.06% funding for something called Black Lives Matter and you argue, in spite of the article saying the district plans to work with groups that support objectives of BLM, then you ask what pictured aspects you presented from your vantage point do I support. I support what the Milwaukee SB plans to do with the funding which seems pretty educational to me.
Jesus. He posts that and thinks he has a point. What forest? All I see are trees!

0.06% and people are shitting their pants.
 
The objectives posted by B L M that are objectionable

The plans calls for:
  • Ending "broken windows" policing, which aggressively polices minor crimes in an attempt to stop larger ones


  • And there's something wrong with this approach?

    Look at California's experiment in leniency: Theft under $1,000 is a misdemeanor. Oops, theft under $1,000 is exploding because in reality the perpetrators have basically no chance of jail time.

    [*]using community oversight for misconduct rather than having police decide what consequences officers face

    In other words, crucify those who don't kowtow to BLM. In the case of serious misconduct they already face community oversight--namely, a jury.

    [*]making standards for reporting police use of deadly force

    Reasonable.

    [*]independently investigating and prosecuting police misconduct

    In other words, incompetent investigators.

    [*]having the racial makeup of police departments reflect the communities they serve

    This will make things worse--the racial makeup doesn't match because too many minorities can't pass the background check.

    [*]requiring officers to wear body cameras

    Fine with that.

    [*]providing more training for police officers

    How often is a lack of training an issue

    [*]ending for-profit policing practices

    Agreed, but blame the legislature for this.

    [*]ending the police use of military equipment

    Non-issue.

    [*]implementing police union contracts that hold officers accountable for misconduct

    I'm not sure what the effect would be here.
 
The objectives posted by B L M that are objectionable

And there's something wrong with this approach?

Look at California's experiment in leniency: Theft under $1,000 is a misdemeanor. Oops, theft under $1,000 is exploding because in reality the perpetrators have basically no chance of jail time.

I'm sure there is a link to a factual source in that sentence, but I'm just not seeing it... right?
 
And there's something wrong with this approach?

Look at California's experiment in leniency: Theft under $1,000 is a misdemeanor. Oops, theft under $1,000 is exploding because in reality the perpetrators have basically no chance of jail time.

I'm sure there is a link to a factual source in that sentence, but I'm just not seeing it... right?

Loren, cite a claim? :D

Here is a link though. It is true, 25% jump, but in the real world, there are always some buts.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/california-ballot-measure-blamed-shoplifting-jump-39115364
 
To people like Derec and Loren Pechtel, helping minorities is always "appeasement" because otherwise the Black Panthers will re-emerge and take over the USA this time.

I won't speak for Derec but I'm objecting to this specific case as the money does not seem to be allocated for any productive purpose, but rather for racist reasons.
What racist reasons are you referring to?
 
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