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Block Universe

Nonsense. Greater than C relative to what?
If you recede from earth at >C (an impossibility in the first place) you cannot observe it.
Relative to Earth.
We do not know if it is an impossibility. Are there not things that can move at a faster speed?
If we are riding a Tachyon rocket, then Earth's history will pass by us in reverse, we will see history happening. Some one said 'Grandpa paradox'.

"Some theoretical concepts suggest that certain phenomena, like the expansion of space itself or hypothetical particles called tachyons, could move faster than light. However, according to current scientific understanding, nothing can travel faster than light in a vacuum without violating the laws of physics."
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"In 1962 and again in 1969 Oleksa-Myron Bilanuik, Vijay Deshpande and E. C. George Sudarshan discussed the possibility of a class of faster-than-light particles consistent with special relativity. As part of their discussion they point out that light particles are never accelerated but rather are created with the full velocity of light. Similarly they argue that while accelerating normal matter beyond the speed of light is inconsistent with special relativity, this does not prevent creation of faster than light particles."
"Tachyons would exhibit the unusual property of increasing in speed as their energy decreases, and would require infinite energy to slow to the speed of light."
"In physics, a tachyonic field, or simply tachyon, is a quantum field with an imaginary mass. Although tachyonic particles (particles that move faster than light) are a purely hypothetical concept that violate a number of essential physical principles, at least one field with imaginary mass, the Higgs field, is believed to exist."
"A tachyonic antitelephone is a hypothetical device in theoretical physics that could be used to send signals into one's own past. Albert Einstein in 1907 presented a thought experiment of how faster-than-light signals can lead to a paradox of causality, which was described by Einstein and Arnold Sommerfeld in 1910 as a means "to telegraph into the past". The same thought experiment was described by Richard Chace Tolman in 1917; thus, it is also known as Tolman's paradox."

 
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The "outside' is hypothetical, and assumes a (non-existent) additional dimension, and a (non-existent) observer with the ability to use that dimension to view the entire thing all at once.
Of course the "outside" is hypothetical. Maybe it is best called flat out imaginary. The "outside" goes along with or follows from the figurative "block" shape as a way of expressing thinking about occurrences occurring "within" the where-when "container" which is the spacetime universe.

Within the spacetime container, use can also made of the light cone shape to indicate a bit about where-when relative accessibilities, but the "all at once" is itself also an hypothetical with regards to the spacetime container. The all at once so as to be a static block is an assumption which might well have circumstantial utility (or maybe just convenience), but such utility would not be sufficient to establish the hypothesis as necessary; it would not be sufficient to establish that what is assumed is necessarily the case.

Obviously.

And this is where we get back to the growing block notion stripped of the problem which results from its expression in terms of what "exists". In the suggested alternative growing block notion, there really is no need of an outside beyond that "outside" which (unfortunately?) follows from maintaining the inherited "block" descriptor. Past and present indicate spacetime container internal perspectives from which contents (occurrences) are set, fixed, utterly determinate so as to be devoid of any indeterminateness whatsoever whereas future is a perspectival indicator of there being a not merely epistemic indeterminateness with regards to what occurrences/contents occur. This could be the case even if the "shape" of the spacetime container were to be utterly determinate/determined without being eternally, perpetually actual so as to be eternally, perpetually static.
All of which assumes absolute time - the existence of a "present" agreed upon by all observers, and (as a direct corollary) the fact that all observers agree on the sequence of events.

That assumption contradicts General Relativity, which seems like a very dangerous thing to do without some kind of evidence to justify doing it - GR is very well evidenced indeed, so to deny it requires a bit more than a feeling of unease about its implications, if we are interested in being reasonable about our conjectures.

The sole "evidence" that inspires the idea of replacing the static block with a growing block seems to be that the latter makes people uncomfortable.

Reality has no obligation to make anyone comfortable, nor to be easy or pleasant to contemplate.
As I understand it, there IS a present for all observers; but it looks different to all observers relative to their position in it, such that it is curved.

From every perspective the universe operates in a way distorted by the stuff at the perspective itself, such that for each of these reference frames, none of them is preferred.

As such, if you were to observe a "block space/time" of the universe, it would "distort as if looking through a strange lens" as you scrolled through and along it depending on the curvature of space and time at that point in it.

In my imagination, looking at a "time" would shift the size of a "bubble" from some hypothetical origin in or out.

To look at a different state, you would forward to a specific time beyond your interest, look back "at an angle in the cone", and see the point of that come from some other place later as it comes into view from your own current position... The conveniently treat its own evolution on from there?

It's really weird to think about trying to scroll through such an idea because it's so massive and weird and mechanical.

But assuming some theory of an aperiodic space relativity of continuity can happen with a deterministic block system, so long as causality actually continues in a locally real way.

There MIGHT even be some statistical limitations inherent to some such systems; I expect there WILL be statistical facts about such a thing that aren't directly apparent from the passage of time in the system, "spooky actions at distance".

Math has such weird and deep sorts of relationships going on "out around the back" as it were. But this still doesn't negate the relationship you see "around the front", as it were, either. The obvious relationship is still true with respect to the rules, but some systems have the weird statistical stuff, too.

That still doesn't change the facts about groups and permutations and representations that exist within the block of various relationships that occur due to those physical laws -- like the fact that statistically, you cannot find an example of a thing progressing in some way that conflicts with its nature, AND that it's nature determines the contexts it can be seen progressing into and the new forms or versions it takes and the ways it takes them.

It seems like I can know, clear across an infinite universe what things "like me" are and aren't doing because of how "like me" they are or are not, that seems like a very powerful ability. It pierces beyond the event horizon of the universe, and possibly even across event horizons into whole other mathematical concepts merely using the power of a brain to simulate and re-order stuff until it behaves in some symmetry with some other concept of stuff, so as to represent the preferred function.

One issue, however, is that the static block isn't distinct from a growing block when discussing the block.

If you wanted to conceptualize a growing block, you would instead start with each point-location in space and time like a column or tube. At each moment, you would drop a dice to the bottom, and it would reveal a number to every side. The position and orientation of the "dice" then determines how each of the neighbors interacts with it, of the ways it's current state can interact, and each tower looks downward in a cone from the topmost dice to see how those towers interact: from the perspective of "now", it looks like stuff everywhere has been fixed for a while out to the edge of the cone, but that's just because you can't see the next dice rolling down, on you or anywhere.

In the end, it can be replayed as a block using the same dice rolls, but the dice rolls and this the result would be different every time...

... But the block it produces once it's resolved through the addition of the driving information is still "static", and so "growing" block time is less a description of the block time and more a description of what exactly you did to generate it.

While the truth of the statistical relationships hold among it with regards to causality, it exists to observe and know and infer its rules by the truths that hold across it same as anything in it might. An observer of the block interested in the rules across it but unsure of them because to them it is a block, may find out those rules by finding things such as us in there that operated scientifically and rationally and reverse engineered aspects of the block even as parts of it enough to build their own simpler model blocks within the block and infer that it is a block governed by causal framing and local realism and so on.

It could literally be that our reality is a big crystal just growing on the underside of a very weirdly shaped rock, which would comport to this idea of "growing block spacetime", and the parts of it would still be responsible as what they were for acting as the banks which control the chaotic flow of the river.
 


These things do not break the speed of light barrier.

The barrier applies to objects within outer space. Outer space itself can inflate faster than the speed of light.

The other main thing about the barrier is that it bars the transmission of information faster than light speed. As the article notes, you can not exploit stuff like quantum entanglement to send information faster than light speed.

As to tachyons, they are entirely hypothetical, a mathematical abstraction. We have no evidence for their existence. But even if they existed, they are not violating the light speed barrier, since they did not accelerate beyond the speed of light. Rather, they must always travel faster than the speed of light.

A physicist some years back wrote a fine novel about using tachyons to send messages to the past to warn of an impending global disaster. At the moment the name of both the novel and the author escape me.
 
When we observe far off galaxies, we are looking into their distant past, but it is our present. The now we live in is not the same now as that we see in distant galaxies - many of those stars we see far away may have long ago gone supernova and disappeared into Black Holes. Those events, long ago in our past, are far off in their future, which is inaccessible to us. The same is true regarding much closer objects; we see the sun as it was nine minutes ago. We even see events on Earth a few microseconds after they (presumably) actually occurred. We assume that those far distant stars and galaxies evolved the same way that we observe more local galaxies.
 
I once pondered on the imaginative/fantasy dea that the very galaxies that we see so far away was just our very own galaxy, reflecting back at us at different stages. A multidimensional refraction of light, if you will, for lack of much better descriptive wording.
 
A "growing block time" has a fixed past, and an uncertain future, with the future becoming fixed (ie becoming the past), at the present.

If there is more than one present, then that's impossible. And as there are as many presents as there are observers, that's impossible.

There is no universally agreed "now". It makes no sense to build a model that depends on such a thing - and the "growing block" does depend on exactly that thing.
The so-called "growing block time" as I have been pondering and presenting it (in terms of determinateness or fixedness being seemingly necessary both for actuality and observability) has no need of a single or absolute present.

Is it not the case that static block time also has no absolute "now" with regards to any and all internal perspectives?

I expect that the static block time notion is wholly compatible with thinking that has an association between determinateness and actuality. I also think that the idea of determinateness as a necessary condition for observability is every bit as compatible with the static block time notion.

It seems that what is being referred to as growing block time might explain the unobservability of all futures in terms of indeterminateness, but, since the static block time notion has no similar indeterminateness at its disposal, the static block time idea would seem to require some other, some additional facet in order to explain the invisibility of the perspectival futures.

Even so, the mathematical relativity features would seem to be the same for both the so-called growing block as well as the static block.
 
A "growing block time" has a fixed past, and an uncertain future, with the future becoming fixed (ie becoming the past), at the present.

If there is more than one present, then that's impossible. And as there are as many presents as there are observers, that's impossible.

There is no universally agreed "now". It makes no sense to build a model that depends on such a thing - and the "growing block" does depend on exactly that thing.
The so-called "growing block time" as I have been pondering and presenting it (in terms of determinateness or fixedness being seemingly necessary both for actuality and observability) has no need of a single or absolute present.
Then what is "growing", when, and how?
Is it not the case that static block time also has no absolute "now" with regards to any and all internal perspectives?
Sure; But the static block doesn't need one - past and future are identical in every regard, so there is no need for a boundary (called "now") between them.
I expect that the static block time notion is wholly compatible with thinking that has an association between determinateness and actuality.
I am confident that that is not a sentence in the English language.
I also think that the idea of determinateness as a necessary condition for observability is every bit as compatible with the static block time notion.
I don't know what "determinateness" is even supposed to mean. You can invent new words, if you like, but if you don't define them, then you are just babbling nonsense. I tried guessing that you just meant "determinism", but then your sentence stopped being intelligible; Determinism is not a necessary condition for observability", and indeed, nobody is talking about observability here.

At the moment I am leaning towards "certainty about the past"; Are you trying to say:

"I think that observers in both models are equally incapable of remembering the future in the same way that they remember the past"? Because if so, then yes, that's an obvious feature required in any model of spacetime, because it's an observed fact about reality.

Any model that requires us to be able to remember the future in the same way that we remember the past is clearly wrong; Neither growing nor static blocks have that flaw.
It seems that what is being referred to as growing block time might explain the unobservability of all futures in terms of indeterminateness, but, since the static block time notion has no similar indeterminateness at its disposal, the static block time idea would seem to require some other, some additional facet in order to explain the invisibility of the perspectival futures.
Perhaps if you could pretend that you wanted to communicate more than you want to impress people with your vast and complex knowledge of English, you might be able to join in the discussion. I would be happy to accept that you are a clever person, just on the basis of your expressing clever ideas; Your talking like you were bitten by a radioactive thesaurus and became Lexicon Man is actually making me suspect that you aren't very bright at all.

I think you are wondering: "Why would time appear to have a direction, in a static block universe?". That is, why would our perspective appear to move forwards (and only forwards) in time, in such a model?

Is that what you are trying to ask?

If so, it appears to be an illusion. A static block model has conscious and aware people being conscious and aware at all times, with the sensation that we are "moving forward in time" being a constant and unchanging experience.
Even so, the mathematical relativity features would seem to be the same for both the so-called growing block as well as the static block.
Well, they are variations on the same theme, so yes, obviously they share a lot of features. And both are attempts to make sense of a universe in which General Relativity applies.
 
Then what is "growing", when, and how?
As was noted previously, pood succinctly noted a problem with the growing block theory as it appears to be typically depicted:
The growing block theory is incoherent.

It holds that the present and past exist, but not the future, which is always coming into existence.

... it is internally inconsistent. If 1920 exists, it means all the years up to the present exist from the point of view of 1920. So for 1920 (and all prior years) the future exists after all!
And I responded suggesting that the problem with that growing block theory is a matter of expression having to do with the use of exist and existence. I posited that the growing block theory might avoid the frankly fatal error which pood identified by replacing exist with explication in terms of "determined, set, fixed states/situations so that (let's just call it) the details of 'the present and past are set, but the details of the future are not'." These past, present, and future times are not absolute; instead, they regard perspectives internal to spacetime.

I have continued to refer to this modified depiction as a "growing block" despite having eliminated the identified internal inconsistency of that theory's apparently most common presentation simply to maintain the connection with the initial terminology. The modified depiction need not be referred to as "growing" or as a "block" anymore than the alternative spacetime theory need be thought of and described as non-growing or as a block. Indeed, what is typically referred to as the block spacetime theory might be better described in terms of static spacetime with the alternative interpretation then being distinguished as non-static spacetime.

What both interpretations have in common is the relativity geometry, the spacetime curvature, the topography of the spacetime "within" which everything occurs. This topography itself is eternally set (without necessarily being eternally actual) even if what occurs within that spacetime is not eternally set or eternally static.

I don't know what "determinateness" is even supposed to mean. You can invent new words, if you like, but if you don't define them, then you are just babbling nonsense.
Determinateness is not a new word. It is the noun form of determinate, and, in the current context, refers to a state or condition which is "definitely settled", fixed, or set. You have used the term fixed; so, you can understand determinateness by substituting "fixed" for "settled" to get a state or condition which is "definitely fixed", and the meaning is the same. In the static spacetime interpretation, all states or conditions are eternally, definitely fixed.

Well, they are variations on the same theme, so yes, obviously they share a lot of features. And both are attempts to make sense of a universe in which General Relativity applies.
Okay. Apparently there is this point of agreement.
 
Then what is "growing", when, and how?
As was noted previously, pood succinctly noted a problem with the growing block theory as it appears to be typically depicted:
The growing block theory is incoherent.

It holds that the present and past exist, but not the future, which is always coming into existence.

... it is internally inconsistent. If 1920 exists, it means all the years up to the present exist from the point of view of 1920. So for 1920 (and all prior years) the future exists after all!
And I responded suggesting that the problem with that growing block theory is a matter of expression having to do with the use of exist and existence. I posited that the growing block theory might avoid the frankly fatal error which pood identified by replacing exist with explication in terms of "determined, set, fixed states/situations so that (let's just call it) the details of 'the present and past are set, but the details of the future are not'." These past, present, and future times are not absolute; instead, they regard perspectives internal to spacetime.

I have continued to refer to this modified depiction as a "growing block" despite having eliminated the identified internal inconsistency of that theory's apparently most common presentation simply to maintain the connection with the initial terminology. The modified depiction need not be referred to as "growing" or as a "block" anymore than the alternative spacetime theory need be thought of and described as non-growing or as a block. Indeed, what is typically referred to as the block spacetime theory might be better described in terms of static spacetime with the alternative interpretation then being distinguished as non-static spacetime.

What both interpretations have in common is the relativity geometry, the spacetime curvature, the topography of the spacetime "within" which everything occurs. This topography itself is eternally set (without necessarily being eternally actual) even if what occurs within that spacetime is not eternally set or eternally static.

I don't know what "determinateness" is even supposed to mean. You can invent new words, if you like, but if you don't define them, then you are just babbling nonsense.
Determinateness is not a new word. It is the noun form of determinate, and, in the current context, refers to a state or condition which is "definitely settled", fixed, or set. You have used the term fixed; so, you can understand determinateness by substituting "fixed" for "settled" to get a state or condition which is "definitely fixed", and the meaning is the same. In the static spacetime interpretation, all states or conditions are eternally, definitely fixed.

Well, they are variations on the same theme, so yes, obviously they share a lot of features. And both are attempts to make sense of a universe in which General Relativity applies.
Okay. Apparently there is this point of agreement.
There's actually a very vigorous discussion of this going on a few threads over with respect to determination and the use of language around concepts such as determinism? I'm not sure how interesting you would find that discussion, but it crosses many of these same pathways in discussing block mechanics and determinism and whether events are determined, as well as some discussion about what this implies (or doesn't) about freedoms.

Both Bilby and Elixir have participated well in those discussions and discussed most of the insights provided.

As I keep pointing out about the finite deterministic systems we see, however, we could provide an example of each such system represented instead with some quantity of just-so statistically unrelated dice rolls.

Math is infamous for the fact that in almost every regard, there are connections and transforms from representations in one paradigm to truths about it in a different paradigm.

The most interesting and famous and notably recent of these is the relationship between elliptical curves and modular forms: that you can present something in terms of modular forms and also in terms of elliptical curves, despite the fact that these seem very different to the observer.

I propose then that this connection between finite deterministic views and finite probabilistic ones is no different?

It's just when we have a system where so much information not correlated to what happens to be happening or to have ever happened seems to be entering in, it's really quite necessary for internal elements to model probabilistically for that segment, even if it leads to large scale observably deterministic behavior for what happens "now".

Either way, whether we model those with a PRNG selected just so or with dice rolls, we get the same block.

Arguably this would roughly reflect the axiom of finite choice, which as I said has already been proven.

This is why we just treat the block independently of the render method; how you get the block is less important than the block you get and whether it's shape is such that it is perfectly statistically dependent on a presented static precondition.

That said, probabilistic math enters as soon as you ask the question "what about different preconditions" even if one of the preconditions is selection of "which coordinate is to be treated arbitrarily for now as the origin?"
 
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