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CA Reparations Task Force

That's because no one said it was racist. It is an example of one group subsidizing ( or being taken from) another in our federal system. It happens all of the time.
Which is why atheist objections to tax dollars spent on religion are incoherent. They’re just subsidizing another group.
Atheists object to subsidizing religion with tax dollars because it is it is a religion not because it is a subsidy. I realize that is a nuanced thinking.

The point was that be against"takings" or "subsidies" because they are "takings" or "subsidies" means one is against all forms of taxation and gov't spending.
 
You'd rather California Blacks take matters into their own hands, then? Some organizations did try this approach for a while, but it ended very badly.
Everyone should oppose government imposing a racial caste system.
No one is imposing a racial caste system, so what prompted that straw man?
A system that provides advantage and imposes disadvantages based on race is a caste system.
Again, no one is imposing a racial caste system because there are no reparations.
At least we agree that if CA or SF did enact a reparations scheme, it’d be setting up a racial caste system.
 
Which is why it is the government, not you, who is now on the hook.
So who is on the hook for these race based payments?

"The government" is another way to say "taxpayers".

You are correct, it's not me. I've never even visited California.
Tom
 
That's because no one said it was racist. It is an example of one group subsidizing ( or being taken from) another in our federal system. It happens all of the time.
Which is why it's utterly irrelevant to the topic of the thread.
I completely understand that you don't get it.

So explain...
I did. You didn't get it.

No,
You didn't explain how water policies are connected to race based wealth redistribution.
Not even close.
Tom
 
You'd rather California Blacks take matters into their own hands, then? Some organizations did try this approach for a while, but it ended very badly.
Everyone should oppose government imposing a racial caste system.
No one is imposing a racial caste system, so what prompted that straw man?
A system that provides advantage and imposes disadvantages based on race is a caste system.
Again, no one is imposing a racial caste system because there are no reparations.
Makes me wonder if we are in a caste system to subsidized industries such as the oil industry. They certainly pay lower tax rates than many citizens.
 
Makes me wonder if we are in a caste system to subsidized industries such as the oil industry. They certainly pay lower tax rates than many citizens.
I definitely think we are.
The investment class can buy politicians to do their bidding. The rest of us are stuck with the results.
Tom
 
You'd rather California Blacks take matters into their own hands, then? Some organizations did try this approach for a while, but it ended very badly.
Everyone should oppose government imposing a racial caste system.
And indeed they do. Which is why the state is looking at compensating the victims of the racial caste system it set up and maintained for almost a century.
 
What I resent is the premise that people should get cash payouts due to their race, and only due to their race.
They were made slaves due to their race, and only due to their race.
 
Atheists object to subsidizing religion with tax dollars because it is it is a religion not because it is a subsidy. I realize that is a nuanced thinking.
How is it that you can understand atheist objections to being taxed for group favoritism but not understand why others object to taxation for racial group favoritism?
 
Which is why it is the government, not you, who is now on the hook.
So who is on the hook for these race based payments?

"The government" is another way to say "taxpayers".
No, it isn't, though taxes are certainly a major part of all state budgets.
Who do you believe is going to fund this reparations plan?

You realize that the government doesn't have any money, right?
Tom
 
Which is why it is the government, not you, who is now on the hook.
So who is on the hook for these race based payments?

"The government" is another way to say "taxpayers".
No, it isn't, though taxes are certainly a major part of all state budgets.
Who do you believe is going to fund this reparations plan?

You realize that the government doesn't have any money, right?
Tom
I don't realize that at all. Because, of course, it isn't true. But it is true that the majority of the state's revenue comes from taxation.
 
Atheists object to subsidizing religion with tax dollars because it is it is a religion not because it is a subsidy. I realize that is a nuanced thinking.
How is it that you can understand atheist objections to being taxed for group favoritism but not understand why others object to taxation for racial group favoritism?
I realize this takes nuanced thinking. So I will go slow.
I do not understand the objection based on taxation or a taking.
I understand the objection based on that it is subsidy to a undesired or undeserving group.
I understand the objection based that it is a payment to black people.
 
I don't realize that at all. Because, of course, it isn't true. But it is true that the majority of the state's revenue comes from taxation.

So, who do you think is going to pay all these reparations?

You keep dodging around this fundamental question. Where's the money coming from?
Tom
 
What I resent is the premise that people should get cash payouts due to their race, and only due to their race.
They were made slaves due to their race, and only due to their race.

Who?

Nobody in California was ever a slave.
Tom
What history book told you that lie? Next time you're in state, drop by and I will give you a tour of the local slave markets, known slave owning properties, and archival documents of human beings sold and transported through the state. You'll have to wear the prissy little cloth gloves, but you can touch the evidence with your own hands. Slavery in California was always aimed more so at the state's original inhabitants, but the importation of African slaves from back east was officially tolerated for several years and all but unregulated until shortly before the war.

Slavery is not actually the focus of either of these programs anyway, but that's no excuse to tell lies about slavery.
 
I understand the objection based on that it is subsidy to a undesired or undeserving group.
I understand the objection based that it is a payment to black people.
Nope.
It's the flat out racism.
Sorry, but racism doesn't become morally OK because some politically correct Wokesters are OK with it.
When it suits their agenda.
Tom
 
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