'Calexit' organizers can now start collecting signatures to get California secession on the ballot

[dismal]

'Calexit' organizers can now start collecting signatures to get California secession on the ballot

Supporters of the campaign for California to secede from the United States can now begin collecting the hundreds of thousands of signatures they need to get a proposed "Calexit" initiative on the ballot.

California Secretary of State Alex Padilla cleared the proposed initiative to begin collecting signatures on Thursday.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/ess...-clipboard-near-you-1485483444-htmlstory.html

They can go as long as they pay us back for the military bases right?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

No they cannot go.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

No they cannot go.

Why not? What's the reason that they should fund the rest of you morons and put up with all your bullshit?

 

[thebeave]

No they cannot go.

Why not? What's the reason that they should fund the rest of you morons and put up with all your bullshit?

Yeah! What he said!

 

[LordKiran]

No they cannot go.

Why not? What's the reason that they should fund the rest of you morons and put up with all your bullshit?

Succession from the union has been illegal since the end of the civil war. Granted, the idea that succession can be 'illegal' when the succeeding power doesn't recognize your authority is pretty laughable.

 

[dismal]

Why not? What's the reason that they should fund the rest of you morons and put up with all your bullshit?

Succession from the union has been illegal since the end of the civil war. Granted, the idea that succession can be 'illegal' when the succeeding power doesn't recognize your authority is pretty laughable.

It's not illegal if we approve it.

And I do.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Why not? What's the reason that they should fund the rest of you morons and put up with all your bullshit?

Succession from the union has been illegal since the end of the civil war. Granted, the idea that succession can be 'illegal' when the succeeding power doesn't recognize your authority is pretty laughable.

Seceding from the British Empire was illegal too, but it's the foundation of your country.

I'm all in favour of the US breaking up into smaller parts in order to lesson the impact of it doing things like electing Donald Trump.

 

[dismal]

Succession from the union has been illegal since the end of the civil war. Granted, the idea that succession can be 'illegal' when the succeeding power doesn't recognize your authority is pretty laughable.

Seceding from the British Empire was illegal too, but it's the foundation of your country.

I'm all in favour of the US breaking up into smaller parts in order to lesson the impact of it doing things like electing Donald Trump.

Plus there's the fundamental human right to self determination and stuff.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Seceding from the British Empire was illegal too, but it's the foundation of your country.

I'm all in favour of the US breaking up into smaller parts in order to lesson the impact of it doing things like electing Donald Trump.

Plus there's the fundamental human right to self determination and stuff.

Ya, but it's mainly because you're a bunch of fuckups and minimizing your ability to fuck things up for the rest of us is a benefit.

 

[rousseau]

This is game theory at work. The United States are only 'united' legally, not culturally. If one of the states no longer jives with the other ones, culturally and economically, it makes sense for them to abandon ship.

Quebec is a nice case study in Canada. They're culturally distinct from English Canada and so many crave autonomy, but the smart people amongst them know that independence isn't economically feasible, and that they're stronger in the union. OTOH, if California is being dragged down by repubs, the opposite could happen.

If they want to join us, I'd happily move to California as a Canadian citizen.

 

[ElectEngr]

No they cannot go.

Why not? What's the reason that they should fund the rest of you morons and put up with all your bullshit?

Texas v White (1869)

Later,
ElectEngr

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Why not? What's the reason that they should fund the rest of you morons and put up with all your bullshit?

Texas v White (1869)

Later,
ElectEngr

Only applies if they recognize the authority of the US Supreme Court over their actions which, as a secessionist movement, they have no reason to do. Also, that seems like about the most hypocritical ruling I've ever heard and it should be mocked, not respected.

 

[dismal]

Texas v White (1869)

When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/74/700

 

[dismal]

Texas v White (1869)

Later,
ElectEngr

Only applies if they recognize the authority of the US Supreme Court over their actions which, as a secessionist movement, they have no reason to do. Also, that seems like about the most hypocritical ruling I've ever heard and it should be mocked, not respected.

It is actually a pretty silly decision. The gist of it was the Articles of Confederation specifically held a perpetuity clause and (though such was conspicuously omitted from the Constitution) the "more perfect union" reference in the preamble meant this was double-plus in effect.

 

[Jaecp]

These fools are backed by the Russians. They tried to open a freakin embassy in Russia...

 

[Tom Sawyer]

These fools are backed by the Russians. They tried to open a freakin embassy in Russia...

Is there anything that isn't backed by the Russians? As a Machiavellian super-villain, Vladimir Putin is certainly exceeding all expectations.

 

[bilby]

These fools are backed by the Russians. They tried to open a freakin embassy in Russia...

Is there anything that isn't backed by the Russians? As a Machiavellian super-villain, Vladimir Putin is certainly exceeding all expectations.

I got one would be most disappointed if he doesn't have a hollowed out volcano somewhere in Siberia, staffed with fanatically loyal minions in white jumpsuits, who are all driving monorails, watching flashing lights on a map of the world, and just waiting for the opportunity to be shot by James Bond.

 

[J842P]

No they cannot go.

Why not? What's the reason that they should fund the rest of you morons and put up with all your bullshit?

This was decided 150 years ago. The rest of the morons have a giant military and the means to prevent any such attempt at secession. Especially by a bunch of very liberal people.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Why not? What's the reason that they should fund the rest of you morons and put up with all your bullshit?

This was decided 150 years ago. The rest of the morons have a giant military and the means to prevent any such attempt at secession. Especially by a bunch of very liberal people.

I have no issue with that. Sending in your military to fight insurrectionists in California means that you have less military available to do one of your patented random invasions of other countries. It would be the American people suffering the consequences of the actions taken by the American people and that's better than some other group suffering for it. Also, this would help weaken and undermine the structure of your country and that's a plus for everybody who's not you.

 

[TSwizzle]

I wonder how they are going to come up with the 500k+ signatures while they only have about 7k volunteers and no money.