California’s Fair Pay to Play Act

[TSwizzle]

his week LeBron James, Bernie Sanders and countless other heavy hitters lent their support to a monumental bill in California that, if passed, could forever alter the business of collegiate athletics and the entire American sports landscape. SB 206 (also known as the Fair Pay to Play Act) would permit collegiate athletes in the state, which include schools like USC, UCLA, UC Berkeley and Stanford, to seek payment for use of their name, image or likeness. The NCAA, the governing body for college sports in America, has long prohibited its student-athletes from earning any semblance of profit associated with their skill set or name cache. Meanwhile college sports are a $14bn industry, and the NCAA reported a staggering $1.1bn in revenue generated last year, thanks in large part to the unpaid labor of its athletes. The California state assembly this week voted unanimously in favor of the bill. It is expected to overwhelmingly pass in the California state senate soon, and then will land on the desk of California governor Gavin Newsom, who will have 30 days to sign or veto the bill.

Teh Gruaniad

I knew that college sport was big money but I had no idea that it is this big. The education system in the US is a racket.

 

[Terrell]

Good. Student athletes should be able to earn money in any manner that's legal, other than point-shaving or fixing games. Capitalism for everyone. As for the money generated by sports that varies widely by university. The reason you see University of Nowhere go and play teams like Alabama is that U of Nowhere has little money. They get a good payout for taking that 70-3 beatdown. At least it's not Cumberland @ Ga Tech.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

NCAA basketball March Madness has a $1 billion a year deal. That results in about $1,000,000 per player in the tournament for revenue.

College football, Ohio State makes more than $600,000 per player in profit a year.

I'm not exactly sold on players getting agents. I'd rather see a fair percentage of the money for their efforts go into some sort of fund that can be made available five years after their play in College. Arbitrary, but I can't imagine how happy some players on the smaller sport teams would feel about playing while hurt (think Tennis), while football players are driving Benz's.

 

[PyramidHead]

Good bill and good thread. While we're at it, we should start asking what other free labor people do in service of moneymaking for other people. It'll probably be a while before all of it gets recognized and compensated, if it ever does, but stuff like this is a welcome sign that we're at least starting to acknowledge the concept.

 

[Politesse]

Good bill and good thread. While we're at it, we should start asking what other free labor people do in service of moneymaking for other people. It'll probably be a while before all of it gets recognized and compensated, if it ever does, but stuff like this is a welcome sign that we're at least starting to acknowledge the concept.

"Internships".

 

[steve_bank]

If the NCAA prohibits it then do they loose amateur status?

If a college runner gets compensation can he compete in non colligate amateur athletics'?

Cooler basketball, football, and baseball has long been a semi pro farm league supplying pro sports. The quality of the education athletes manage to get has been questionable for a very long time.

What does it cost for 4 years at a major school including all expenses? It is not like they get nothing.

Many who make to college have as athletes been coddled from the start.

Should they give up the right to their name? No. Should they get paid, no.

Profits go to the school for things like scholarships for people who can not catch a football. There are two sides to it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

If the NCAA prohibits it then do they loose amateur status?

If a college runner gets compensation can he compete in non colligate amateur athletics'?

Cooler basketball, football, and baseball has long been a semi pro farm league supplying pro sports. The quality of the education athletes manage to get has been questionable for a very long time.

What does it cost for 4 years at a major school including all expenses? It is not like they get nothing.

Many who make to college have as athletes been coddled from the start.

Should they give up the right to their name? No. Should they get paid, no.

Profits go to the school for things like scholarships for people who can not catch a football. There are two sides to it.

So there are a couple questions then. Can the NCAA profit off of this? Shall the Colleges profit off of this?

 

[steve_bank]

If the NCAA prohibits it then do they loose amateur status?

If a college runner gets compensation can he compete in non col ligate amateur athletics'?

Cooler basketball, football, and baseball has long been a semi pro farm league supplying pro sports. The quality of the education athletes manage to get has been questionable for a very long time.

What does it cost for 4 years at a major school including all expenses? It is not like they get nothing.

Many who make to college have as athletes been coddled from the start.

Should they give up the right to their name? No. Should they get paid, no.

Profits go to the school for things like scholarships for people who can not catch a football. There are two sides to it.

So there are a couple questions then. Can the NCAA profit off of this? Shall the Colleges profit off of this?

The reasonable boundary is you lose amateur status when you accept pay. A pro athlete is general one who plays for money. It keeps pros from competing in amateur and college competition.

I'd have to look up how the NCAA is structured, profit or non profit.

Like the Olympics it is a business that employs career people. No doubt there is some corruption in the NCAA. Extravagant offices, high salaries, and perks and the like. Somebody who plays college sports at a upper tier school even if not destined for pros gets a leg up post college. It carries weight on a resume.

What there needs to be is transparency as to where the college revenue from sports goes. No doubt there is corruption there as well, evidenced by the admissions scandal. Top coaches make a lot of money.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

his week LeBron James, Bernie Sanders and countless other heavy hitters lent their support to a monumental bill in California that, if passed, could forever alter the business of collegiate athletics and the entire American sports landscape. SB 206 (also known as the Fair Pay to Play Act) would permit collegiate athletes in the state, which include schools like USC, UCLA, UC Berkeley and Stanford, to seek payment for use of their name, image or likeness. The NCAA, the governing body for college sports in America, has long prohibited its student-athletes from earning any semblance of profit associated with their skill set or name cache. Meanwhile college sports are a $14bn industry, and the NCAA reported a staggering $1.1bn in revenue generated last year, thanks in large part to the unpaid labor of its athletes. The California state assembly this week voted unanimously in favor of the bill. It is expected to overwhelmingly pass in the California state senate soon, and then will land on the desk of California governor Gavin Newsom, who will have 30 days to sign or veto the bill.

Teh Gruaniad

I knew that college sport was big money but I had no idea that it is this big. The education system in the US is a racket.

Creating a generation of debt peons.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

If the NCAA prohibits it then do they loose amateur status?

If a college runner gets compensation can he compete in non col ligate amateur athletics'?

Cooler basketball, football, and baseball has long been a semi pro farm league supplying pro sports. The quality of the education athletes manage to get has been questionable for a very long time.

What does it cost for 4 years at a major school including all expenses? It is not like they get nothing.

Many who make to college have as athletes been coddled from the start.

Should they give up the right to their name? No. Should they get paid, no.

Profits go to the school for things like scholarships for people who can not catch a football. There are two sides to it.

So there are a couple questions then. Can the NCAA profit off of this? Shall the Colleges profit off of this?

The reasonable boundary is you lose amateur status when you accept pay. A pro athlete is general one who plays for money. It keeps pros from competing in amateur and college competition.

I'd have to look up how the NCAA is structured, profit or non profit.

Like the Olympics it is a business that employs career people. No doubt there is some corruption in the NCAA. Extravagant offices, high salaries, and perks and the like. Somebody who plays college sports at a upper tier school even if not destined for pros gets a leg up post college. It carries weight on a resume.

What there needs to be is transparency as to where the college revenue from sports goes. No doubt there is corruption there as well, evidenced by the admissions scandal. Top coaches make a lot of money.

Lots of things that ostensibly look good on a resume mean absolutely nothing tangible at all. One often sees that used dishonestly within the/an organization itself as bait in compliance and manipulation. Any moneymaking enterprise loves not having to pay the revenue generators.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

If a college runner gets compensation can he compete in non colligate amateur athletics'?

There's not much in the way of "amateur" athletics outside the NCAA. The Olympics gave up the "amateur" facade a long time ago. What amateur events did you have in mind?

Cooler basketball, football, and baseball has long been a semi pro farm league supplying pro sports. The quality of the education athletes manage to get has been questionable for a very long time.

What does it cost for 4 years at a major school including all expenses? It is not like they get nothing.

If the quality of the education makes it valueless, and in many cases it does, why does it matter what it costs?

 

[Fentoine Lum]

If a college runner gets compensation can he compete in non colligate amateur athletics'?

There's not much in the way of "amateur" athletics outside the NCAA. The Olympics gave up the "amateur" facade a long time ago. What amateur events did you have in mind?

Cooler basketball, football, and baseball has long been a semi pro farm league supplying pro sports. The quality of the education athletes manage to get has been questionable for a very long time.

What does it cost for 4 years at a major school including all expenses? It is not like they get nothing.

If the quality of the education makes it valueless, and in many cases it does, why does it matter what it costs?

Because we're turning an entire generation into debt peons for valueless to we the people "education".

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

There's not much in the way of "amateur" athletics outside the NCAA. The Olympics gave up the "amateur" facade a long time ago. What amateur events did you have in mind?




If the quality of the education makes it valueless, and in many cases it does, why does it matter what it costs?

Because we're turning an entire generation into debt peons for valueless to we the people "education".

To be clear, we’re discussing the quality of education received by the athletes, many of whom aren’t qualified to do college coursework. They don’t become “debt peons”, because they’re on full scholarship.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

There's not much in the way of "amateur" athletics outside the NCAA. The Olympics gave up the "amateur" facade a long time ago. What amateur events did you have in mind?




If the quality of the education makes it valueless, and in many cases it does, why does it matter what it costs?

Because we're turning an entire generation into debt peons for valueless to we the people "education".

To be clear, we’re discussing the quality of education received by the athletes, many of whom aren’t qualified to do college coursework. They don’t become “debt peons”, because they’re on full scholarship.

Yes, and we've seen the affluent bribe their entitled spawn, many of whom aren’t qualified to do college coursework hence the bribing, into universities and they will not become debt peons either, they wind up on directors boards, on the US Supreme Kangaroo Court and in other position of authority over the rest of us. All as we're turning an entire generation of commoners into debt peons for valueless to we the people "education", none of which is mutually exclusive in any rational view.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

To be clear, we’re discussing the quality of education received by the athletes, many of whom aren’t qualified to do college coursework. They don’t become “debt peons”, because they’re on full scholarship.

Yes, and we've seen the affluent bribe their entitled spawn, many of whom aren’t qualified to do college coursework hence the bribing, into universities and they will not become debt peons either, they wind up on directors boards, on the US Supreme Kangaroo Court and in other position of authority over the rest of us. All as we're turning an entire generation of commoners into debt peons for valueless to we the people "education", none of which is mutually exclusive in any rational view.

You remind me of a 5-year-old with a hammer: every thread looks like a nail. Try staying on topic.

 

[Keith&Co.]

You remind me of a 5-year-old with a hammer: every thread looks like a nail. Try staying on topic.

Nicely expressed

 

[WAB]

You remind me of a 5-year-old with a hammer: every thread looks like a nail. Try staying on topic.

Nicely expressed

Agreed.

 

[jladam]

Amateurism in sports died a long, long time ago. As hurtinbuckaroo pointed out USOC gave up the facade in 1992 at the Barcelona Summer Olympics when the Dream Team first played. Since then it hasn't hurt the Olympics in the least. As a matter of fact the Olympics are more popular then ever now. The doom-and-gloomers have always said that getting rid of amateurism in college sports will ruin it. These are the same doom-and-gloomers that said free agency would ruin professional sports back in the seventies. Yet, it hasn't happened. If anything, it made professional leagues like MLB, the NFL and the NBA more competitive. College athletics will do just fine without amateurism. The idea of amateurism was a concept that fit the times of the early twentieth century. Those times have long ago changed. College sports is big business now and should be treated like it.

 

[Eldarion Lathria]

The whole reason for amateurism was to keep working class people out of sports. To reserve it for 'gentlemen'. Working class people needed money and had to compete for money. 'Gentlemen' could afford to compete for 'the love of the sport.'

Eldarion Lathria

 

[Fentoine Lum]

To be clear, we’re discussing the quality of education received by the athletes, many of whom aren’t qualified to do college coursework. They don’t become “debt peons”, because they’re on full scholarship.

Yes, and we've seen the affluent bribe their entitled spawn, many of whom aren’t qualified to do college coursework hence the bribing, into universities and they will not become debt peons either, they wind up on directors boards, on the US Supreme Kangaroo Court and in other position of authority over the rest of us. All as we're turning an entire generation of commoners into debt peons for valueless to we the people "education", none of which is mutually exclusive in any rational view.

You remind me of a 5-year-old with a hammer: every thread looks like a nail. Try staying on topic.

Nothing is connected to anything is it, reality is all just disconnected bits that have no relationship one to the other. Have you considered widening your sphere of influence? Your 5-year-old with a hammer may not have all your answers for you.