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A claim was made in a PD thread portraying the US (2008 to 2014) has having waged more wars and attacked more countries than any other "anywhere in the world at any time".

This OP does not mean to motivate any political partisan exchanges rather focus on whether historians would agree with such claim.

Please, discuss.
 
Here is a link to a timeline of United States Military Operations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations#2000.E2.80.932009

1910-1919 would appear to be one of the more active periods for the U.S. Military for the sheer number of locations where the U.S. was present, actively 'defending' their interests.
It really depends upon one's perspective whether one sees these interventions as 'defense' or 'aggression'.

War is a very lucrative undertaking and I suppose it really depends on what parameters of measure we use.

- number of deployments
- number of locations
- how many troops and resources

Perhaps an examination of the investment in war would answer the question.

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This is nonsense. To be even fair, it would have to count the various military actions of colonial powers against the United States' conflicts. Remember when Britain invaded Tibet because they wouldn't let them open up an embassy in Lhasa? No? Is that counted as a war? They called it an 'armed diplomatic mission.'

You can't ignore all the little revolts against the colonial powers just because they weren't, technically, fought between states. Hell, you could say that since Israel has occupied palestine for 40 years, they have been constantly at war.

This is a semantic argument that relies on a narrow and meaninglessly trivial definition of 'war.'
 
Barbary Wars 1801 - 1805
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War


'...The First Barbary War (1801–1805),also known as the Tripolitan War or the Barbary Coast War, was thefirst of two wars fought between the United States and the NorthwestAfrican Berber Muslim states known collectively as the BarbaryStates, nominally under the rule of the Ottoman Empire.[1] These wereTripoli, Algiers, and Tunis, which were quasi-independent entitiesnominally belonging to the Ottoman Empire, and the independentSultanate of Morocco. The war was fought because U.S. PresidentThomas Jefferson refused to pay the high tributes demanded by theBarbary states and because they were seizing American merchant shipsand enslaving the crews for high ransoms. It was the first declaredwar the United States fought on foreign land and seas...'








War of 1812
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812


'...The War of 1812 was a two and ahalf-year military conflict between the United States of America andthe United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, its North Americancolonies and its Indian allies. The outcome resolved many issueswhich remained from the American War of Independence, but involved noboundary changes. The United States declared war in 1812 for severalreasons, including trade restrictions brought about by Britain'scontinuing war with France, the impressment of American merchantsailors into the Royal Navy, British support of American Indiantribes against American expansion, outrage over insults to nationalhonour after humiliations on the high seas, and possible Americaninterest in annexing British North American territory (part ofmodern-day Canada) which had been denied to them in the settlementending the American Revolutionary War.[3]...'


Gunboat Diplomacy 1800s - 1900s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunboat_diplomacy


Numerous operations and deployments


'...In international politics, gunboatdiplomacy (or "big stick diplomacy" in U.S. history) refersto the pursuit of foreign policy objectives with the aid ofconspicuous displays of naval power—implying or constituting adirect threat of warfare, should terms not be agreeable to thesuperior force..'




Mexican American War 1846 - 1848
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican-American_War


'...The Mexican–American War, alsoknown as the Mexican War, the U.S.–Mexican War, the Invasion ofMexico, the U.S. Intervention, or the United States War AgainstMexico, was an armed conflict between the United States and theCentralist Republic of Mexico (which reestablished its 1824 federalconstitution during the war, becoming the Second Federal Republic ofMexico) from 1846 to 1848 in the wake of the 1845 U.S. annexation ofTexas, which Mexico considered part of its territory despite the 1836Texas Revolution.


Combat operations lasted a year and ahalf, from the spring of 1846 to the fall of 1847. American forcesquickly occupied New Mexico and California, then invaded parts ofNortheastern Mexico and Northwest Mexico; meanwhile, the PacificSquadron conducted a blockade, and took control of several garrisonson the Pacific coast further south in Baja California. AnotherAmerican army captured Mexico City, and the war ended in a victoryfor the United States...'


Spanish American War 1898
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish%E2%80%93American_War


'...The Spanish–American War was aconflict in 1898 between Spain and the United States, the result ofAmerican intervention in the Cuban War of Independence. Americanattacks on Spain's Pacific possessions led to involvement in thePhilippine Revolution and ultimately to the Philippine–AmericanWar.[9]


Revolts against Spanish rule hadoccurred for some years in Cuba. There had been war scares before, asin the Virginius Affair in 1873. In the late 1890s, American publicopinion was agitated by anti-Spanish propaganda led by journalistssuch as Joseph Pulitzer and William Hearst which used yellowjournalism to criticize Spanish administration of Cuba. After themysterious sinking of the American battleship Maine in Havana harbor,political pressures from the Democratic Party and certainindustrialists pushed the administration of Republican PresidentWilliam McKinley into a war he had wished to avoid.[10] Compromisewas sought by Spain, but rejected by the United States which sent anultimatum to Spain demanding it surrender control of Cuba. FirstMadrid, then Washington, formally declared war.[11]..'


Philippine American War 1899 - 1902
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine%E2%80%93American_War


'...The conflict arose from thestruggle of the First Philippine Republic to secure independence fromthe United States following the latter's acquisition of thePhilippines from Spain after the Spanish–American War.[13][14] Thewar was a continuation of the Philippine struggle for independencethat began in 1896 with the Philippine Revolution....
 
WWI 1914 - 1918
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I


'….World War I (WWI or WW1), alsoknown as the First World War, was a global war centred in Europe thatbegan on 28 July 1914 and lasted until 11 November 1918. From thetime of its occurrence until the approach of World War II, it wascalled simply the World War or the Great War, and thereafter theFirst World War or World War I.[5][6][7] In America, it was initiallycalled the European War.[8] More than 9 million combatants werekilled; a casualty rate exacerbated by the belligerents'technological and industrial sophistication, and tactical stalemate.It was one of the deadliest conflicts in history, paving the way formajor political changes, including revolutions in many of the nationsinvolved.[9]


The war drew in all the world'seconomic great powers,[10] which were assembled in two opposingalliances: the Allies (based on the Triple Entente of the UnitedKingdom, France and the Russian Empire) and the Central Powers ofGermany and Austria-Hungary. Although Italy had also been a member ofthe Triple Alliance alongside Germany and Austria-Hungary, it did notjoin the Central Powers, as Austria-Hungary had taken the offensiveagainst the terms of the alliance.[11] These alliances were bothreorganised and expanded as more nations entered the war: Italy,Japan and the United States joined the Allies, and the Ottoman Empireand Bulgaria the Central Powers. Ultimately, more than 70 millionmilitary personnel, including 60 million Europeans, were mobilised inone of the largest wars in history.[12][13]


Although a resurgence of imperialismwas an underlying cause, the immediate trigger for war was the 28June 1914 assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria, heirto the throne of Austria-Hungary, by Yugoslav nationalist GavriloPrincip in Sarajevo. This set off a diplomatic crisis whenAustria-Hungary delivered an ultimatum to the Kingdom ofSerbia,[14][15] and international alliances formed over the previousdecades were invoked. Within weeks, the major powers were at war andthe conflict soon spread around the world.


On 28 July, the Austro-Hungarians firedthe first shots in preparation for the invasion of Serbia.[16][17] AsRussia mobilised, Germany invaded neutral Belgium and Luxembourgbefore moving towards France, leading Britain to declare war onGermany. After the German march on Paris was halted, what becameknown as the Western Front settled into a battle of attrition, with atrench line that would change little until 1917. Meanwhile, on theEastern Front, the Russian army was successful against theAustro-Hungarians, but was stopped in its invasion of East Prussia bythe Germans. In November 1914, the Ottoman Empire joined the war,opening fronts in the Caucasus, Mesopotamia and the Sinai. Italy andBulgaria went to war in 1915, Romania in 1916, and the United Statesin 1917...'

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WII 1941 - 1945
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II


'...World War II (WWII or WW2), alsoknown as the Second World War, was a global war. It lasted from 1939to 1945, though some related conflicts in Asia began before 1939. Itinvolved the vast majority of the world's nations—including all ofthe great powers—eventually forming two opposing militaryalliances: the Allies and the Axis. It was the most widespread war inhistory, and directly involved more than 100 million people, frommore than 30 different countries. In a state of "total war",the major participants threw their entire economic, industrial, andscientific capabilities behind the war effort, erasing thedistinction between civilian and military resources. Marked by massdeaths of civilians, including the Holocaust, the Three Alls Policy,the strategic bombing of enemy industrial and/or population centers,and the first use of nuclear weapons in combat, it resulted in anestimated 50 million to 85 million fatalities. These made World WarII the deadliest conflict in human history.[1]


The Empire of Japan aimed to dominateEast Asia and was already at war with the Republic of China in1937,[2] but the world war is generally said to have begun on 1September 1939 with the invasion of Poland by Germany and subsequentdeclarations of war on Germany by France and the United Kingdom. Fromlate 1939 to early 1941, in a series of campaigns and treaties,Germany formed the Axis alliance with Italy, conquering or subduingmuch of continental Europe. Following the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact,Germany and the Soviet Union partitioned between themselves andannexed territories of their European neighbours, including Poland,Finland and the Baltic states. The United Kingdom and the othermembers of the British Commonwealth were the only major Allied forcescontinuing the fight against the Axis, with battles taking place inNorth Africa and the Horn of Africa as well as the long-runningBattle of the Atlantic. In June 1941, the European Axis powerslaunched an invasion of the Soviet Union, giving a start to thelargest land theatre of war in history, which tied down the majorpart of the Axis' military forces for the rest of the war. InDecember 1941, Japan joined the Axis, attacked the United States andEuropean territories in the Pacific Ocean, and quickly conquered muchof the Western Pacific.,,'


Korea 1950-1953
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War


'...The Korean War (25 June 1950 – 27July 1953)[29][a][31] was a war between the Republic of Korea (SouthKorea), supported by the United Nations, and the Democratic People'sRepublic of Korea (North Korea), at one time supported by China andthe Soviet Union. It was primarily the result of the politicaldivision of Korea by an agreement of the victorious Allies at theconclusion of the Pacific War at the end of World War II. The KoreanPeninsula was ruled by the Empire of Japan from 1910 until the end ofWorld War II. Following the surrender of the Empire of Japan inSeptember 1945, American administrators divided the peninsula alongthe 38th parallel, with U.S. military forces occupying the southernhalf and Soviet military forces occupying the northern half.[32]


The failure to hold free electionsthroughout the Korean Peninsula in 1948 deepened the division betweenthe two sides; the North established a communist government, whilethe South established a right-wing government. The 38th parallelincreasingly became a political border between the two Korean states.Although reunification negotiations continued in the months precedingthe war, tensions intensified. Cross-border skirmishes and raids atthe 38th parallel persisted. The conflict escalated into open warfarewhen North Korean forces invaded South Korea on 25 June 1950.[33] TheUnited States and other countries looked to help defend SouthKorea...'




Vietnam 1965 - 1975
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War


'...The U.S. government viewed Americaninvolvement in the war as a way to prevent a Communist takeover ofSouth Vietnam. This was part of a wider containment strategy, withthe stated aim of stopping the spread of communism. According to theU.S. domino theory, if one state went Communist, other states in theregion would follow, and U.S. policy thus held that accommodation tothe spread of Communist rule across all of Vietnam was unacceptable.The North Vietnamese government and the Viet Cong were fighting toreunify Vietnam under communist rule. They viewed the conflict as acolonial war, fought initially against forces from France and thenAmerica, as France was backed by the U.S., and later against SouthVietnam, which it regarded as a U.S. puppet state.[37]...'
 
Granada 1983
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Grenada


'...Fury was a 1983 United States-ledinvasion of Grenada, a Caribbean island nation with a population ofabout 91,000 located 100 miles (160 km) north of Venezuela, thatresulted in a U.S. victory within a matter of weeks. Triggered by abloody military coup which had ousted a four-year revolutionarygovernment, the invasion resulted in a restoration of constitutionalgovernment. Media outside the U.S. covered the invasion in a negativeoutlook despite the OAS request for intervention..




Panama 1989
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama

'...The United States Invasion ofPanama, code-named Operation Just Cause, was the invasion of Panamaby the United States in December 1989. It occurred during theadministration of U.S. President George H. W. Bush, and ten yearsafter the Torrijos–Carter Treaties were ratified to transfercontrol of the Panama Canal from the United States to Panama by 1January 2000.


During the invasion, de factoPanamanian leader, general, and dictator Manuel Noriega was deposed,president-elect Guillermo Endara sworn into office, and thePanamanian Defense Force dissolved...


...In March 1988, an attempted coupagainst the government of Panama was resisted by Noriega's forces. Asrelations continued to deteriorate, Noriega appeared to shift hisCold War allegiance towards the Soviet bloc, soliciting and receivingmilitary aid from Cuba, Nicaragua, and Libya.[12] American militaryplanners began preparing contingency plans for action againstPanama....'


Gulf 1 1990 - 1991
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War


'...codenamed Operation Desert Storm(17 January 1991 – 28 February 1991) was a war waged by coalitionforces from 34 nations led by the United States against Iraq inresponse to Iraq's invasion and annexation of Kuwait...'


Afghanistan 2001 - present
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%93present)


'...The War in Afghanistan(2001–present) refers to the intervention by NATO and allied forcesin the ongoing Afghan civil war. The war followed the terroristattacks of September 11, 2001, in an effort to dismantle al-Qaeda andeliminate its safe haven by removing the Taliban from power...'


Gulf 2 2003 - 2011'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War


'...Prior to the war, the governmentsof the United States and the United Kingdom claimed that Iraq'salleged possession of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) posed athreat to their security and that of their coalition/regionalallies.[51][52][53] In 2002, the United Nations Security Councilpassed Resolution 1441 which called for Iraq to completely cooperatewith UN weapon inspectors to verify that Iraq was not in possessionof WMD and cruise missiles. Prior to the attack, the United NationsMonitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC) found noevidence of WMD, but could not yet verify the accuracy of Iraq'sdeclarations regarding what weapons it possessed, as their work wasstill unfinished. The leader of the inspectors, Hans Blix, estimatedthe time remaining for disarmament being verified through inspectionsto be "months".[nb 2][54][55][56][57]


After investigation following theinvasion, the US led Iraq Survey Group concluded that Iraq hadended its nuclear, chemical and biological programs in 1991 and hadno active programs at the time of the invasion, but that theyintended to resume production if the Iraq sanctions were lifted.[58]Only degraded remnants of misplaced and abandoned chemical weaponswere found.[59] Paul R. Pillar, the CIA official who coordinated USintelligence on the Middle East from 2000 to 2005, said "Ifprewar intelligence assessments had said the same things as theDuelfer report, the administration would have had to change a fewlines in its rhetoric and maybe would have lost a few member's votesin Congress, but otherwise the sales campaign—which was much moreabout Saddam's intentions and what he "could" do than aboutextant weapons systems—would have been unchanged. Theadministration still would have gotten its war." Even DickCheney later cited the actual Duelfer report as support for theadministration's pro-war case.[60] George J. Tenet, the formerdirector of central intelligence, stated Vice President Dick Cheneyand other Bush administration officials pushed the country to war inIraq without ever conducting a "serious debate" aboutwhether Saddam Hussein posed an imminent threat to the UnitedStates.[61]


Some US officials also accused IraqiPresident Saddam Hussein of harboring and supporting al-Qaeda,[62]but no evidence of a meaningful connection was ever found.[63][64]Other stated reasons for the invasion included Iraq's financialsupport for the families of Palestinian suicide bombers,[65] Iraqigovernment human rights abuses,[66] and an effort to spread democracyto the country.[67..'
 
We have been involved in military action since the founding without any major lulls.
 
We have been involved in military action since the founding without any major lulls.
The US certainly has. If I had to reach way back into the history of my own country, there would be several pages of war waging listing.

However, I requested a time frame from 2008 and 2014 since "Obama" was brought up repeatedly in the posts I linked to. I will safely assume that the claims in the posts I linked to covered military aggression under the Obama Administration. From the time he was sworn in as President while also assuming the position of Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces.
 
We have been involved in military action since the founding without any major lulls.
The US certainly has. If I had to reach way back into the history of my own country, there would be several pages of war waging listing.

However, I requested a time frame from 2008 and 2014 since "Obama" was brought up repeatedly in the posts I linked to. I will safely assume that the claims in the posts I linked to covered military aggression under the Obama Administration. From the time he was sworn in as President while also assuming the position of Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces.

There were no links for context and I read no other threads.

Answered in my listings. What is there to to discuss, simple fact checking.
As to war s, the last major wars involving the USA were the two gulf wars and Afghanistan. Non were initiated by Obama.

A major plank in the Obama platform in his first campaign was ending the Afghan and Iraq wars he did not start. Well discussed in the media still today. Some conseratves remain angry we pulled out of Iraq.

As to attacking the most counties in history there couldpossibly be something to that if you use drone attacks as a metric. That would require some in depth research for a quantitative answer.

If you scan the wiki pages on the Ottoman Empire, British Empire, Japanese Empire, Russian Empire, and the Nazi regime I doubt our actions in the time frame stated come close to equalingthe totality of combined history or any one state.
 
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As to attacking the most counties in history there couldpossibly be something to that if you use drone attacks as a metric. That would require some in depth research for a quantitative answer.

I think a drone attack can only be counted as attacking a country if that country is not complicit in allowing, or even encouraging, the drone attacks. In which case, very few of those drone attacks count as attacking a country.
 
Can one imagine that some people here in America want a war with the Russians? WTF?

A claim was made in a PD thread portraying the US (2008 to 2014) has having waged more wars and attacked more countries than any other "anywhere in the world at any time".

This OP does not mean to motivate any political partisan exchanges rather focus on whether historians would agree with such claim.

Please, discuss.

The US has only been in one war in that time period as far as I can remember SG. We all know that for there to be a "state of war," between the us, U.S., and another nation Congress has to vote and declare war. And we know that Congress did vote to invade Iraq. I am not sure that an actual declaration of war existed between America and Iraq prior to the invasion. The legal interpretations and excuses for the invasion are vast and ponderous. So the only war between 2008/2014 is the 3/2003 and its so called end, 12/2011 of the Iraq War. From an interpretation of war since the end of WW2 we have been in these so called Police actions and conflicts that killed 1000's of Americans under the umbrellas of the War on Communism, the Cold War and the latest the War On Terror.

So again are these conflicts legally constituted as wars? Does the Iraq War and all of its tentacles around us legally meet the criteria for war? If it does than in that time period 2008-2014 would the Iraq War be the only war being fought? Or does this so called War on Terror mean that we are constantly at war and in a state of war? From a historical perspective the PD thread question/position that we have been in the most wars and attacked the most countries than " anywhere in the world at any time," holds little validity. This position also smacks, IMO, of a political posturing/positioning from either the Left or the right. Yet mostly leaning right.

All one needs to do is look back on history and Mankind's greatest past time in killing his fellow man to see that in four years many peoples, nations and cultures have waged constant war on many lands/countries. The Roman and Mongol empires alone were in this constant state of war and invasion covering vast peoples and lands. The Nazis invaded and occupied many nations in a period of four years. These are just three easy examples to argue that the claim is invalid. IMO it is actually pretty silly if one knew their history. But heh, it sure sounds good.

So one can bet that most historians would chuckle at this absurd statement. Ah but then partisan historians like Victor Hansen would try to think how to get this kind of revisionist historical interpretation into the the Zeitgeist of today's aversion for all things in the present administration.

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We have been involved in military action since the founding without any major lulls.
The US certainly has. If I had to reach way back into the history of my own country, there would be several pages of war waging listing.

However, I requested a time frame from 2008 and 2014 since "Obama" was brought up repeatedly in the posts I linked to. I will safely assume that the claims in the posts I linked to covered military aggression under the Obama Administration. From the time he was sworn in as President while also assuming the position of Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces.

There were no links for context and I read no other threads.
I further provided several links in this thread to the posts relevant to the 2008-2014 period. I had avoided "calling out" anyone in particular in my OP.

Answered in my listings. What is there to to discuss, simple fact checking.
As to war s, the last major wars involving the USA were the two gulf wars and Afghanistan. Non were initiated by Obama.
Of course!

A major plank in the Obama platform in his first campaign was ending the Afghan and Iraq wars he did not start. Well discussed in the media still today. Some conseratves remain angry we pulled out of Iraq.

As to attacking the most counties in history there couldpossibly be something to that if you use drone attacks as a metric. That would require some in depth research for a quantitative answer.
However, the use of drones meeting terms agreed upon by the nation where the military use of drones occurred would not be part of metrics falling under waging war to the said nation.

If you scan the wiki pages on the Ottoman Empire, British Empire, Japanese Empire, Russian Empire, and the Nazi regime I doubt our actions in the time frame stated come close to equalingthe totality of combined history or any one state.
That is my evaluation too. Speaking of the Nazi regime, a pre WW2 manifestation of the Lebensraum was the military invasion of the Rhineland in 1936. A violation of the Treaty Of Versailles. To which neither Britain or France responded with any military intervention despite of the terms of the Pact of Locarno.

Just reviewing the use of military aggression in Northern Africa and Sub Sahara Africa during the European Colonial period ought to give us another insight into the proliferation of unprovoked war waging which by far outranks military interventions conducted by the US between 2008 and 2014.
 
America and Obama bashing is off topic....may I suggest starting a thread on the morality forum on the use of drones.


One perspective is certainly the collateral causalities.


The other side is considering the real threats and actions against us the USAwith all our military power is demonstrating extreme restraint.

We could easily obliterate Pakistan,Syria, North Korea, and Iran with little loss of American lives.
 
We have been involved in military action since the founding without any major lulls.
The US certainly has. If I had to reach way back into the history of my own country, there would be several pages of war waging listing.

However, I requested a time frame from 2008 and 2014 since "Obama" was brought up repeatedly in the posts I linked to. I will safely assume that the claims in the posts I linked to covered military aggression under the Obama Administration. From the time he was sworn in as President while also assuming the position of Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces.

From the six year period from 1939 to 1945 Hitler attacked Poland, France, Denmark, Norway, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Yugoslavia, Greece, and the Soviet Union. That's ten countries. I think he also attacked Rumania and possibly Bulgaria, but I'm not sure. And, of course, he bombed Britain and his submarines attacked US, Canadian, and Australian shipping. So you'd have to find 10 countries at minimum that Obama has attacked during his presidency, and while the number is considerable if you count air strikes, I don't think you can come up with 10 countries. At so far as I know, Obama hasn't sunk any foreign ships.
 
One thing is for certain-never before has any nation enjoyed such overwhelming military superiority than the US has at the present time. In her most powerful days Britain had policy of two power superiority meaning that she maintained a Navy superior to the next two most powerful Navies combined. The US today is close to spending as much on her military as all other nations on earth combined.

Source: According to analysts at The Brooking Institute, The US spends about 45% of the worlds total military spending. (2009 numbers)
 
One thing is for certain-never before has any nation enjoyed such overwhelming military superiority than the US has at the present time. In her most powerful days Britain had policy of two power superiority meaning that she maintained a Navy superior to the next two most powerful Navies combined. The US today is close to spending as much on her military as all other nations on earth combined.

Source: According to analysts at The Brooking Institute, The US spends about 45% of the worlds total military spending. (2009 numbers)

Military spending doesn't necessarily add up to military power. Congress tried to foist more F-22's on the Pentagon even when the Pentagon said they didn't need them. The Pentagon won that one. But they lost on the F-35 which they also did not want and which, it now appears, cannot land. (It's big advantage was supposed to be its ability to land vertically). They also fought over the M-1 tank which the Pentagon doesn't want more of but Congress wants to build. I haven't heard if that issue is settled yet or who won.

Our many naval bases overseas and our huge carrier fleet also give us lots of ability to project our power overseas, but it is also extremely expensive whereas our competitors such as Russia, China, and India have a good deal of capability to those things simply because of their geographical locations.
 
Military spending doesn't necessarily add up to military power.

Heh heh. That's funny, because then you say:
Our many naval bases overseas and our huge carrier fleet also give us lots of ability to project our power overseas, but it is also extremely expensive
So military power takes money.

And our naval fleet allows us to project our military might into places well beyond our borders. So that would be a military superiority over places that can only project their military might in their own back yard, no?
 
And our naval fleet allows us to project our military might into places well beyond our borders. So that would be a military superiority over places that can only project their military might in their own back yard, no?
No, projecting force doesn't mean that force is the superior power in a particular theater of war. If nation X can project their power anywhere and nation Y can't extend too far from its borders, nation Y could still have engagement superiority with in its combat radius.
 
A claim was made in a PD thread portraying the US (2008 to 2014) has having waged more wars and attacked more countries than any other "anywhere in the world at any time".

This OP does not mean to motivate any political partisan exchanges rather focus on whether historians would agree with such claim.

Please, discuss.
Historians would laugh at such a ludicrous claim. During that period I believe the US has only "attacked" one sovereign country and that was our air actions against Libya and that was along with NATO. Our actions in Afghanistan during that period have been as an ally to the Government of that country. The Drone attacks and the action against OBL were not against countries. Look at the attacks against sovereign countries carried out by Hitler from 1939-1941 or the attacks by Japan from 1937-1942. There is absolutely no comparison.
 
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