Charlie Kirk shot in Utah

[Politesse]

Fascists? Are you off your rocker? How is it fascist to protest fascism?

From the link:

"Fortune said while purchasing a T-shirt for her husband from a street vendor, she witnessed him get beat up by a protestor. ABC7 News cameras captured the vendor, with a bloody face, getting escorted away by police while another man was arrested."​

...​

"A man seen in a viral video beating a Turning Point USA supporter near the University of California, Berkeley campus on Monday evening has been arrested and charged with violent crimes, according to local police."​

Protesting fascists doesn't mean you're protesting fascism -- you can always just bundle your fasces into a different enforced ideological monoculture. It's perfectly normal for one set of fascists to oppose a different set of fascists.

So, the definition of fascism to you hasn't got to do with ideology per se, just methods? Or if that isn't what you mean, what do you mean?

 

[Bomb#20]

Fascists? Are you off your rocker? How is it fascist to protest fascism?

From the link:

"Fortune said while purchasing a T-shirt for her husband from a street vendor, she witnessed him get beat up by a protestor. ABC7 News cameras captured the vendor, with a bloody face, getting escorted away by police while another man was arrested."​

...​

"A man seen in a viral video beating a Turning Point USA supporter near the University of California, Berkeley campus on Monday evening has been arrested and charged with violent crimes, according to local police."​

Protesting fascists doesn't mean you're protesting fascism -- you can always just bundle your fasces into a different enforced ideological monoculture. It's perfectly normal for one set of fascists to oppose a different set of fascists.

That is true. But for some reason, I think fascism is much more right wing. If fascism is right wing, is there any evidence the protesters were right wingers?

Why, is there any evidence your antecedent is correct? "Fascism" and "right wing" are pejoratives leftists use to mean "evil"; they don't have objective meanings users try to conform to. The point of using them isn't descriptive accuracy, but rather framing a narrative. Categorizing leftists as fascist is perfectly normal and hardly confined to the right. The governments of the PRC and the USSR called each other fascist. Heck, Marcus Garvey called his own organization fascist, back in the days before "fascist" became a put-down.

So, the definition of fascism to you hasn't got to do with ideology per se, just methods? Or if that isn't what you mean, what do you mean?

Why, what do you and the protesters mean when you call TPUSA "fascist"? I'll bet dollars to donuts you don't mean TPUSA favors conquering and annexing foreign countries, having wages and prices set by the government, and requiring businesses to get government permission to lay off employees. To the extent you mean anything at all besides "evil" I'm guessing you mean something to do with them riding roughshod over human rights, particularly the human rights of their political opponents, and having an ideology that legitimizes those methods. Well, I think that's what TSwizzle means too. And that's what I mean too.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Fascism isn't an ideology. Left and right wing populism can use it. Currently the right wing in the US and Europe are pushing fascist rhetoric.

That some are calling protest to fascist rhetoric fascism is Orwellian.

And this ignores Trumps attacks on Law firms, universities, corporate media, the mass fir8ng of executive oversight. You know the stuff dictators do before being official dictators.

 

[TSwizzle]

That some are calling protest to fascist rhetoric fascism is Orwellian.

Male bovine excrement. It wasn’t people protesting, it was a mob of violent thugs harassing and intimidating attendees of a meeting.

 

[Gospel]

That some are calling protest to fascist rhetoric fascism is Orwellian.

Male bovine excrement. It wasn’t people protesting, it was a mob of violent thugs harassing and intimidating attendees of a meeting.

I agree, that kind of behavior is definitely a problem. I’m just as concerned when the government uses similar intimidation tactics against citizens.

 

[laughing dog]

Fascists? Are you off your rocker? How is it fascist to protest fascism?

From the link:

"Fortune said while purchasing a T-shirt for her husband from a street vendor, she witnessed him get beat up by a protestor. ABC7 News cameras captured the vendor, with a bloody face, getting escorted away by police while another man was arrested."​

...​

"A man seen in a viral video beating a Turning Point USA supporter near the University of California, Berkeley campus on Monday evening has been arrested and charged with violent crimes, according to local police."​

Protesting fascists doesn't mean you're protesting fascism -- you can always just bundle your fasces into a different enforced ideological monoculture. It's perfectly normal for one set of fascists to oppose a different set of fascists.

That is true. But for some reason, I think fascism is much more right wing. If fascism is right wing, is there any evidence the protesters were right wingers?

Why, is there any evidence your antecedent is correct? "Fascism" and "right wing" are pejoratives leftists use to mean "evil"; they don't have objective meanings users try to conform to. The point of using them isn't descriptive accuracy, but rather framing a narrative. Categorizing leftists as fascist is perfectly normal and hardly confined to the right. The governments of the PRC and the USSR called each other fascist. Heck, Marcus Garvey called his own organization fascist, back in the days before "fascist" became a put-down.

History is the evidence my antecedent is correct.

Your argument is worthy of the Cheshire cat but it is hardly convincing. After all, calling someone a X doesn’t make it so.

From the absence of evidence, I conclude you are unaware of any evidence indicating these protesters are actual fascists.

Please note I am neither defending their behavior or making any statement about their political ideology. I was curious.

 

[Politesse]

Why, what do you and the protesters mean when you call TPUSA "fascist"? I'll bet dollars to donuts you don't mean TPUSA favors conquering and annexing foreign countries, having wages and prices set by the government, and requiring businesses to get government permission to lay off employees. To the extent you mean anything at all besides "evil" I'm guessing you mean something to do with them riding roughshod over human rights, particularly the human rights of their political opponents, and having an ideology that legitimizes those methods. Well, I think that's what TSwizzle means too. And that's what I mean too.

Is that the definition of fascism that you are using, here? You feel that those who are protesting Turning Point's attempt to subvert and control the university system want to conquer and annex foreign countries, have wages and prices set by the government, and require businesses to get government permission to lay off employees? I do not agree that these are anything like a consensus definition of fascism, but I'd be interested to see a conservative actually make a clear, analyzable claim for once, that you're actually willing to put your name to rather than just making vague moralistic allusions. Have you? Is that your definition of fascism, or are you just throwing out yet another fucking tone poem in lieu of clear communication?

I note that while you can provide no evidence that the protestors support any of the above with respect to the protestors, exploiting a unique reading of federal law to pressure universities to feel that they must either fire faculty for supposed ideological impurity or lose their federal funding is Turning Point's entire mission statement. That is the "Point" that they are "Turning" around.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That some are calling protest to fascist rhetoric fascism is Orwellian.

Male bovine excrement. It wasn’t people protesting, it was a mob of violent thugs harassing and intimidating attendees of a meeting.

Thank you for demonstrating Orwellian Speak.

 

[TSwizzle]

That some are calling protest to fascist rhetoric fascism is Orwellian.

Male bovine excrement. It wasn’t people protesting, it was a mob of violent thugs harassing and intimidating attendees of a meeting.

Thank you for demonstrating Orwellian Speak.

Freedom is Slavery.

 

[Elixir]

That some are calling protest to fascist rhetoric fascism is Orwellian.

Male bovine excrement. It wasn’t people protesting, it was a mob of violent thugs harassing and intimidating attendees of a meeting.

Thank you for demonstrating Orwellian Speak.

Zackly. Not people, ok to exterminate.
Fine and dandy for Swiz, until such inhumanity is visited upon foreign-born advocates of fascist autocrats.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Freedom is Slavery.

Dude, have you ever participated in Young Republican group chats?

 

[Politesse]

That some are calling protest to fascist rhetoric fascism is Orwellian.

Male bovine excrement. It wasn’t people protesting, it was a mob of violent thugs harassing and intimidating attendees of a meeting.

Thank you for demonstrating Orwellian Speak.

Freedom is Slavery.

For the slavers, yes.

After the American civil war, who got reparations? After the Haitian Revolution, who got reparations? Governments are always defending someone's rights and freedoms, but seldom are they defending everyone's rights and freedoms, until or unless they are obliged to.

 

[TSwizzle]

That some are calling protest to fascist rhetoric fascism is Orwellian.

Male bovine excrement. It wasn’t people protesting, it was a mob of violent thugs harassing and intimidating attendees of a meeting.

Thank you for demonstrating Orwellian Speak.

Freedom is Slavery.

For the slavers, yes.

After the American civil war, who got reparations? After the Haitian Revolution, who got reparations? Governments are always defending someone's rights and freedoms, but seldom are they defending everyone's rights and freedoms, until or unless they are obliged to.

Why do you side with violent thugs?

 

[Politesse]

That some are calling protest to fascist rhetoric fascism is Orwellian.

Male bovine excrement. It wasn’t people protesting, it was a mob of violent thugs harassing and intimidating attendees of a meeting.

Thank you for demonstrating Orwellian Speak.

Freedom is Slavery.

For the slavers, yes.

After the American civil war, who got reparations? After the Haitian Revolution, who got reparations? Governments are always defending someone's rights and freedoms, but seldom are they defending everyone's rights and freedoms, until or unless they are obliged to.

Why do you side with violent thugs?

Where by "violent thugs", you mean slaves fighting for their freedom? The answer is very simple. I do not believe that any human being can be owned by another, nor do I believe anyone should accept the pretense that they are anyone's property. Such a system is neither morally right nor governmentally stable.

 

[Elixir]

That some are calling protest to fascist rhetoric fascism is Orwellian.

Male bovine excrement. It wasn’t people protesting, it was a mob of violent thugs harassing and intimidating attendees of a meeting.

Thank you for demonstrating Orwellian Speak.

Freedom is Slavery.

For the slavers, yes.

After the American civil war, who got reparations? After the Haitian Revolution, who got reparations? Governments are always defending someone's rights and freedoms, but seldom are they defending everyone's rights and freedoms, until or unless they are obliged to.

Why do you side with violent thugs?

It’s what good Republicans do. The better they are, the less aware they are that they’re siding with violent thugs.

 

[TSwizzle]

That some are calling protest to fascist rhetoric fascism is Orwellian.

Male bovine excrement. It wasn’t people protesting, it was a mob of violent thugs harassing and intimidating attendees of a meeting.

Thank you for demonstrating Orwellian Speak.

Freedom is Slavery.

For the slavers, yes.

After the American civil war, who got reparations? After the Haitian Revolution, who got reparations? Governments are always defending someone's rights and freedoms, but seldom are they defending everyone's rights and freedoms, until or unless they are obliged to.

Why do you side with violent thugs?

Where by "violent thugs", you mean {snip irrelevant screed}

Why do you side with the violent thugs outside Berkeley? Why do you hate free speech?

 

[TomC]

Why do you side with the violent thugs outside Berkeley? Why do you hate free speech?

Why do you Trump supporters hate American democracy and values?
Tom

 

[Jarhyn]

Why do you side with the violent thugs outside Berkeley? Why do you hate free speech?

Why do you Trump supporters hate American democracy and values?
Tom

At least RVonse was honest enough to just say it was because he wanted a king to solve all his problems...

 

[Elixir]

Why do you side with the violent thugs outside Berkeley?

I don’t.
Why do you side with HOMICIDAL violent thugs outside and INSIDE my Nation’s Capitol?

Why do you hate free speech?

Free speech is no longer free speech when it devolves to homicidal thugs chanting MURDER the VP for SAYING THE WRONG THING ABOUT THE GUY YOU VOTED FOR, and trying to make that murder happen.
Talk about free speech, hypocrite. Just don’t give direct threats against elected officials a pass, as you regularly do when it’s your fascists being called out.

 

[Politesse]

Freedom is Slavery.

For the slavers, yes.

After the American civil war, who got reparations? After the Haitian Revolution, who got reparations? Governments are always defending someone's rights and freedoms, but seldom are they defending everyone's rights and freedoms, until or unless they are obliged to.

Why do you side with violent thugs?

Where by "violent thugs", you mean {snip irrelevant screed}

Why do you side with the violent thugs outside Berkeley? Why do you hate free speech?

I've not "sided with" anyone. I know this is hard for the conservative brain to process, but there are emotions other than blind rage and unbounded adulation.

And I see why you might be keen to try and reframe it, but that was your answer to my question about slave rebellions, not about Berkeley, and we all know that you meant what you wrote. If not, then I dare you to deny it. With words. I'll even start it for you: "I support the Black people who rose up in rebellion and slaughtered their supposed owners in St Dominique, and do not consider them criminals, because..." "The Union was in the right to violate Southern autonomy and forcibly emancipate the enslaved African people the latter had kidnapped, because..."