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I heartily oppose both human sacrifice and the jati system, and I don't "struggle" to say either. Why is it difficult for you to take a stand on slavery?
Two reasons:
1) you haven't asked me
Do you oppose slavery? Unequivocally? Without reservation or condition?
Yes.

If you want to get down to it, I might oppose it more than you do. Like... I oppose unmanaged illegal entrants being used as proxy-slaves in the farming and service industries, and I oppose the outsourcing of manufacturing and textiles to countries that use children and the destitute as functional slaves, I oppose the legalization of prostitution because it exacerbates sex trafficking and the slavery of women to serve the sexual desires of men. And I have no fucking tolerance for islam at all because it actively enslaves women, and I get pissed right the fuck off when people defend that horrific and appalling religion and ignore the massive and ongoing human rights violations being practiced by adherents of islam on a daily fucking basis.
See? It's actually very easy to condemn slavery. So why can't Tswizzle?
It's still completely stupid Poli. It's virtue signaling for no reason whatsoever. Nobody in this thread is praciticing slavery, nobody is considering taking up slavery. It's nothing more than a boring and useless performance on your part.

I mean... do YOU condemn cock fights?
 
in this thread is praciticing slavery, nobody is considering taking up slavery.
That is one hell of a thing for an American to type. Slavery is conditionally legal in your country and you don't do jack shit about it. But fine, if you don't want to talk about slavery, you shouldn't lightly introduce it as an Orwellian metaphor or whatever either. Slavery is a serious issue, not a rhetorical gloss to throw in for meaningless flavor or cheap, race-preferential humor. Making it part of your argument makes it fair to discuss in my view.
 
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He had brought up slavery. I asked a specific moral question related to slavery and conservative ideology, whether he in fact supported the rights of the enslaved over the "freedom" of slavers, and he deflected rather than answering.
Well... no... he didn't bring up slavery, he brought up 1984. In response to Jimmy mentioning Orwellian doublespeak. Which comes from 1984.

ETA: Did you genuinely not get this exchange?
Thank you for demonstrating Orwellian Speak.
Freedom is Slavery.
I've read Orwell. I've studied Orwell.
And yet you completely missed the obvious joke.
And he would approve of my message. He wasn't a man given to thought-canceling cliches, and he did not love the co-option of his work by hypocrites.
Pretty sure Orwell would NOT approve of you missing the joke, then dragging everyone down a rabbit hole looking for blatant virtue signaling.
I'm not obliged to find Republican "jokes" funny. In fact, they rarely are. You ever see a Trumper trying to do stand-up?
 
I mean... do YOU condemn cock fights?
Without question.

How about texting while driving?
Unwise.
Or double parking or parking next to a fire hydrant?
I'd be inclined to let parking enforcement handle it.
War is Peace.
It is not. It is most certainly not.

And again, coming from a warhawk and frequent genocide apologist, even the sentiment is hypocritical. You are often in the position of trying to explain why you think a given war shouldn't "count" as one, or why historical context should justify refusing reparation for atrocities, so Orwell's words are sour in your mouth.
 
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And again, coming from a warhawk and frequent genocide apologist, even the sentiment is hypocritical. You are often in the position of trying to explain why you think a given war shouldn't "count" as one, or why historical context should justify refusing reparation for atrocities, so Orwell's words are sour in your mouth.

So why do you side with the violent thugs outside Berkeley?
 
I mean... do YOU condemn cock fights?
Without question.
You don't seem to be getting the point here. We could institute a virtue inquisition and go on like this for months, demanding that everyone voice their condemnation of heresy and their adulation for dogma.

Or... we could act like adults and recognize that cock fights are 1) irrelevant to this discussion entirely and 2) pretending like someone not having spoken against something irrelevant to this discussion does not imply that they secretly support it. It's a pointless bit of virtue signalling that serves no real purpose whatsoever.
 
in this thread is praciticing slavery, nobody is considering taking up slavery.
That is one hell of a thing for an American to type. Slavery is conditionally legal in your country and you don't do jack shit about it.
1) my country is your country unless you've recently emigrated and revoked your citizenship
2) the fuck are you talking about?
But fine, if you don't want to talk about slavery, you shouldn't lightly introduce it as an Orwellian metaphor or whatever either.
I didn't. Jesus, you really didn't get the exchange! Like, you literally didn't understand it.

Jimmy accused Tswizzle of using Orwellian language.
Tswizzle responded "Freedom is Slavery"

That is a line directly from 1984, part of the triad of government dogma:
War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength.

Despite your claim to have read and studied Orwell, you really do seem to have completely missed this.
Slavery is a serious issue, not a rhetorical gloss to throw in for meaningless flavor or cheap, race-preferential humor. Making it part of your argument makes it fair to discuss in my view.

In this thread we've seen...

Employee: Am I allowed to access IIDB from my work computer?
Cybersecurity: No, that site is not white listed.
Politesse: Your company is a racist??!!?!!?!11
 
1) my country is your country unless you've recently emigrated and revoked your citizenship
Very true. We are indeed countrymen.

2) the fuck are you talking about
That which you are apparently ignorant about, but about which I've gone to the capitol itself and certainly logged in the phone hours campaigning to end: the exception clause. With some success, I might add. I was involved one way or another with the campaigns in Utah, Alabama, Oregon, Tennessee, and Vermont, and I'm proud of that.

It's astonishing that you are so unaware of your own country's laws as to not know what I am referring to.

In this thread we've seen...

Employee: Am I allowed to access IIDB from my work computer?
Cybersecurity: No, that site is not white listed.
Politesse: Your company is a racist??!!?!!?!11
No, we have not. We have seen that people who have read Orwell get annoyed when people who should read Orwell lightly quote Orwell passages that were not, in fact, intended as thought-terminating cliches but diagnoses of the very authoritarian mindset that tswizzle himself routinely espouses, especially where the president is concerned. Jimmy's assessment was entirely correct.
 
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2) the fuck are you talking about
That which you are apparently ignorant about, but about which Ip've gone to the capitol itself and certainly logged in the phone hours campaigning to end: the exception clause. With some success, I might add. I was involved one way or another with the campaigns in Utah, Alabama, Oregon, Tennessee, and Vermont, and I'm proud of that.

It's astonishing that you are so unaware of your own country's laws as to not know what I am referring to.
Alternatively, perhaps you could consider attempting to be just a teensy bit less egotistical? Slavery isn't legal in the US to the best of my knowledge.
 
I mean... do YOU condemn cock fights?
Without question.
You don't seem to be getting the point here. We could institute a virtue inquisition and go on like this for months, demanding that everyone voice their condemnation of heresy and their adulation for dogma.

Or... we could act like adults and recognize that cock fights are 1) irrelevant to this discussion entirely and 2) pretending like someone not having spoken against something irrelevant to this discussion does not imply that they secretly support it. It's a pointless bit of virtue signalling that serves no real purpose whatsoever.
Then why did you bring them up? If you bring up cock fights, I'm going to talk about cock fights. Even if you insist that it was just a joke or a metaphor or irony or an illustrative point or whatever bullshit conservatives vomit out when they realize they are in over their head. Do you oppose cockfighting?

If you don't want to answer. fine, just ignore the point and move on. A meta-conversation about what a monstrous meanie I am for asking an obvious followup question is unnecessary.
 
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No, we have not. We have seen that people who have read Orwell get annoyed when people who should read Orwell lightly quote Orwell passages that were not, in fact, intended as thought-terminating cliches but diagnoses of the very authoritarian mindset that tswizzle himself routinely espouses, especially where the president is concerned. Jimmy's assessment was entirely correct.
I'm more inclined to think that you're trying to cover your ass instead of just admitting that you missed the reference. Because you dragging us all through a torquemada montage about how Tswizzle hasn't denounced slavery certainly isn't some high-brow and subtle commentary on Orwell being "misused" here.
 
If you don't want to answer. fine, just ignore the point and move on. A meta-conversation about what a monstrous meanie I am for asking an obvious followup question is unnecessary.
You didn't ask a "followup question", you dragged us all through a bunch of completely irrelevant and unnecessary stuff about reparations. You just keep trying to force the discussion to be about slave rebellions and similar, and evenually end up calling Tswizzle out for not condemning slavery.

Slavery has nothing at all - not even a teensy weensy bit - to do with the incident Tswizzle was discussing. You masterminded this pointless derail all on your own.
 
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