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"Children cannot consent to puberty blockers" and being in the wrong body


An "academic psychiatrist" says "led the Americans and Europeans to ban puberty blockers and hormones for gender-confused kids".

So what the billboard is against is already banned in the U.S. and Europe? I think that makes it a lot less controversial or problematic.

3:37 - "in my opinion we really need to follow the international research and ban gender affirming care immediately". He talks about there being a "lack of scrunity" in Australia.

Though on the other hand this is from Sky News Australia.

Are you even paying attention to what you are regurgitating? Also, how can one trust any news source that shows a banner that reads "Real News, Honest Views"? It is like an email that tells you that you won a free $500 G00g1e Gift Card. CLICK HERE!

"ban gender affirming care immediately"

Do you not understand what that means? They aren't talking about just banning hormone treatment and surgery, they are saying to ban all care, which includes psychiatric and social services. Again, they are saying gender dysphoria isn't real.
 

Might as well drop this in here, then.

Please for the love of fuck, all you usual suspects, look at the source of this thing.

The cass review is junk science. They excluded any experts in trans care from the review. They excluded all rebuttal and used indefensible reasons for cherry picking research and it's about to happen again.
 
Someone is unhappy with a choice they made, so no one in the same situation should have that choice?
Chris and Clementine believe that a child is incapable of consenting to it. I don't think they're definitely correct.
That did not address the content of the question because the issue of ability to give consent is not the same as the wisdom of the choice and, it ignores the reality that many choices made by children in dealing with gender dysmorphia are reinforced by their parents and medical professionals.

As others in this thread have repeatedly pointed out, gender dysmorphia, while relatively rare, is a serious health issue for those individuals and their families. Why deny possible help because a small fraction of the recipients regret that help?
 
I thought that it would be worse for a female in prison to be raped by a person with a penis than by a woman without one.
Have you considered that there are orders of magnitude more male prison guards in female prisons and than trans persons and that there are orders of magnitude more sexual assaults, rapes, power manipulations, and coercion by those guards than by alleged trans persons in prisons? Do you ever hear those same people complaining (typically conservatives) that female prisons should only be staffed by female guards and do YOU think they should only be staffed by female guards since as you say "it would be worse for a female in prison to be raped by a person with a penis than by a woman without one?"
Ok very good points.

In post #191 I wrote
So I admitted about someone having good arguments about the topic of rape. Most of the things I said were just some uninformed opinions I had rather than being about what the topic of this thread was intended to be about - what Chris says.
 
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Jesus fucking Christ why do you keep using Chris' site for information on these issues? I aldeady explained how problematic this is. Do you go to Ken Ham's answers in genesis for information on evolution? Do you go to oil industry websites to get info about climate change? Do you go to Stormfront to get information on immigration issues? Stop with the bullshit.
This thread is about what Chris says. The title includes a quote from his in quotations because I'm not necessarily claiming it is true. Sometimes I do quote from AiG e.g.
“Ultimately, the controversy about the age of the earth is a controversy about the authority of Scripture. If millions of years really happened, then the Bible is false and cannot speak with authority on any issue, even the Gospel.”
 
First off, puberty blockers weren't banned in the US last I knew. Some states ban them, inappropriately, and for completely political reasons, and those political forces which seek their banning originates in anticipation of a patsy like that shitheel making such claims.
Ok it seems the guest was a bit incorrect saying "led the Americans and Europeans to ban puberty blockers and hormones for gender-confused kids" rather than "led Americans". You not mentioning Europeans suggests that it is true that the Europeans banned those things. I find it dishonest to just ignore that. Then you spend 90% of your reply complaining about the term "gender confused". I don't claim to understand the minds of these kinds of kids. Even if the banning is injust the point is that other governments have apparently decided to ban them.
No, it doesn't, it means I'm not going to talk about shit I don't know for certain and you pulling that bullshit right out your own ass and continuing to sew propaganda when...
Are puberty blockers and hormones banned for kids at all in Europe?
 
Note I haven't replied to everything such as things that make good points or points that are difficult to give a persuasive counter-argument to.
 
First off, puberty blockers weren't banned in the US last I knew. Some states ban them, inappropriately, and for completely political reasons, and those political forces which seek their banning originates in anticipation of a patsy like that shitheel making such claims.
Ok it seems the guest was a bit incorrect saying "led the Americans and Europeans to ban puberty blockers and hormones for gender-confused kids" rather than "led Americans". You not mentioning Europeans suggests that it is true that the Europeans banned those things. I find it dishonest to just ignore that. Then you spend 90% of your reply complaining about the term "gender confused". I don't claim to understand the minds of these kinds of kids. Even if the banning is injust the point is that other governments have apparently decided to ban them.
No, it doesn't, it means I'm not going to talk about shit I don't know for certain and you pulling that bullshit right out your own ass and continuing to sew propaganda when...
Are puberty blockers and hormones banned for kids at all in Europe?
You are asking an "is" question.

Before you have any ground or standing to ask an is question about policy over a topic that has been made a "culture war" issue, we have to establish "oughts".

You are operating with a set of "Oughts" here.

Personally, I'm going to reject any "ought" that arises out of authority, especially "ought" derived from recommendations around or references to the Cass review, because it's a biased piece of garbage that excluded any and all counterpoint to the views of the authors, and excluded large bodies of research for spurious reasons equating to fraudulence.

This nonetheless aligned with positions of conservative factions within England and a few other countries east of there, as well as multiple jurisdictions in the "flyover" US.

This is hit and miss. Some states, such as Minnesota, have committed to preserving the rights of minors to seek information and make informed decisions on that basis. Other states have made for a complete ban on all trans hormones and puberty blockers but does not ban their use on those same kinds of kids to force them into a puberty that "conforms them to social expectations".

For instance, in I believe in Indiana, it is absolutely legal to force a person born with ovaries or no gonads at all, and a "penis" to take testosterone; or even for them to be given a sexual reassignment surgery near birth to "dig a hole" rather than "building a pole", to be forcibly given a vagina despite being broadly "male".

It's absolutely legal to give that person estrogen at puberty, if they "dig the hole". It is absolutely legal for them to be given testosterone if they didn't.

It is legal to give "boys" more testosterone if they are "low T", there.

This is, broadly, my understanding of UK and any other similar law as well.

The situation is WAY more complicated than a binary yes or no answer and abruptly asking the question shows just how little you understand about the issue.

I reiterate, you are the confused one, here.

You could probably start by asking what question you should be asking if you want to understand the problem at all.

You didn't ask, but I'm going to tell you anyway:

"What is the best way to prevent the greatest number of negative outcomes for youths who have gender issues?"

We know it is NOT "camps". These are well explored as crimes against humanity.

We know it is NOT "disregard". This results in suicide and well documented depression and self-hate.

What it appears to be is "acknowledgement, analysis, and treatment", but there is a culture war happening where some very dark shit is going down right now centered around catering to a highschool biology level, and bent pretty transparently towards attacking people who diverge from social norms as a convenient enemy.
 
This thread is about what Chris says.
Then it should be closed, because:

a) He isn't a member here;
b) He has nothing to say that is in any way new, interesting, or even accurate; and
This forum is about politics and Chris is involved in politics or at least political discussions. He currently also has a court case apparently about free speech in an Australian court. People involved in politics aren't necessarily accurate. I find Chris to be very interesting e.g. the woman the court case was about apparently "posted a picture of a dog sodomizing a man" (which is something Chris talked about). It also involves her having a nude picture of her posted in a British newspaper. I consider those things he talked about to be interesting. I would consider his statements about Teddy Cook to be new. (otherwise show that people have already said all of those things about Teddy like mentioning her trans orgies and "says trans identified people have better sex when they're high on illicit drugs") So I disagree that "He has nothing to say that is in any way new, interesting". I think there could be at least a single instance of Chris saying something that is accurate. He claims to have had about 40,000 conversations with the public.
The request to stop discussion about this seems related to him wanting to have "free speech" with that court case. Though of course "free speech" isn't something promised on these forums. Though I think it promotes "free thought".
c) He is a compete arsehole.
BTW the tweet the court case is about said “people who belong in psychiatric wards are writing the guidelines for people who belong in psychiatric wards”. That was considered "cyber abuse directed at an Australian adult". I wonder if your statement is similar. I don't know - maybe not.
Just wondering, would you consider the woman not to be an arsehole? Well you seem to be a fan of the F word.
 
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Fun fact - excreationist has posted more about trans kids in this thread than the amount of trans people he has actually met in real life.

EDIT: me too by the way.
Well my wife's nephew's partner was transitioning to become a woman (though not a kid) the nephew was considered gay due to his partner originally being male.
edit: they're no longer together but they're still living together.
Also at my supermarket I was served a lot by someone with softer features who used to have no facial hair then started to get "bum fluff" and then stronger facial hair. Their male name changed at one point. I wanted to ask him about it but never did. I get curious about things (like being a fly on the wall) and if I had a wish it would usually be to know everything. A related story - when I was in year 12 and had written a very long pro-YEC letter to a youth science magazine, I said to God "I want to know the Truth no matter how depressing it is" and I got strong tingling all over (for about the only time). The next year I created a website called "dirt or slime" and a former young earther who found it deconverted me. Then I went straight to being an atheist like in this website.
 
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Maybe ask your good mate Chris, seeing as being passive aggressive is the bigotry of choice
 
Maybe ask your good mate Chris, seeing as being passive aggressive is the bigotry of choice
What do you mean? Do you consider his reaction to the swearing violent woman to be passive aggressive? Is his tweet passive aggressive? I'm asking because I'm not an expert in how that is defined. I liked his reaction in that video. Though he could have acknowledged her existence rather than stonewalling her.
 
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.....I said to God "I want to know the Truth no matter how depressing it is" and I got strong tingling all over (for about the only time). The next year I created a website called "dirt or slime" and a former young earther who found it deconverted me. Then I went straight to being an atheist like in this website.
I forgot to mention the next part - I became suicidal.... then later I read a book about how to be happy 100% of the time and I was:
and was hospitalised for being manic... then had a bad experience when I got out, becoming suicidal, then became manic then attempted suicide (but due to music that played on the radio I changed my mind) then became catatonic when I was trying to cheat in the game of life (I hypnotised myself), then several years later at the age of 29 I had a mutual attraction/date with someone for the first time and we later got married (note I had consumed a lot of self-help/PUA material). Perhaps that might help people understand my posts or something. Note that in my 20s I also was planning on castrating myself.
 
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Note the reason why I had been depressed when I've been an atheist was due to my girl situation. When I was a YEC in high school I had felt comforted that I could have a relationship with a girl in Heaven/new Earth (but now it seems there is no marriage/sex in Heaven). I also occasionally had a lot of confidence in approaching girls (though they became much too young). In university due to social problems I developed "toxic shame" about myself. But after I finally got a girlfriend I no longer needed anti-depressants. Maybe I have some things in common with being trans - being suicidal at least. (also at 6:00 Chris says "they get turned into oftentimes, especially with the boys, anorgasmic lifelong pharmaceutical patients" - which pretty much describes me)

About my over-sharing:
CHEAT #5: SHARE YOUR SHAME
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we will come to believe that there is something inherently flawed or wrong about us and we must hide it from other people at all costs.
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The best way to get rid of our Distractions and to reclaim the problems that have been haunting us since childhood is to expose them, to share them, and recognize that a) no, you’re not a freak, most people struggle(d) with the same problem, and b) that your Distractions are just that: unhealthy ways to compensate for how shitty you feel about yourself.
Well back to Chris I guess...
 
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All this tells me is that Chris deeply hates his life.

He spends it his time angry and hateful and thinking about being trans 24/7

That doesn't sound healthy.

Also...

None of us spend that time "anorgasmic".

In fact, "anorgasmic lifelong pharmaceutical patients" describes all the trans people I knew from before their transitions; you still sound quote "confused". After their transitions, they have practically "glowed". They also had no problems with sex. They all tend to HAVE plenty of sex, but they don't have any problems with it.

It sure as hell sounds like this Chris bloke is huffing copium, trying to give themselves reasons to continue resisting transition for themselves, and trying to convince themselves that their lack of access to care at the time was correct.

It absolutely does not sound like you EVER actually got professional help for your gender issues.

It sounds like they were groomed into self-hate.

Literally every one of this guy's views are unhealthy distortions of reality that seem (for all I can tell) as designed to make him deceive himself into his own world view.

Chris is confused. This has been made plain time and again. So are you Excreo.

All continuing to listen to this shyster will do is continue to make you more like him until you start to hate that part of yourself and distort in the same way. He is grooming you.

Actually healing does start with discussing your pain and sharing it... But it doesn't stop there. First you have to talk about it with someone who has honestly recommended transition, non-transition and partial transition to patients, all. He is doing the same thing incels do: giving you a bit of truth attached to a ton of lies, like coating a shit nugget with sugar so it seems like candy

You have to actually understand why you continue to hurt over it and what you really want and why you want it.

Personally, I would recommend finding a therapist to talk with about gender issues because Chris is a cultist, and your issues of depression were almost certainly coming from a similar place as my own: Lifelong indoctrination into a church where any deviation of either interest of vigor in pursuing the "WASP" lifestyle was seen as, well, deviance.

I can't begin to describe the amount of depression I felt as a teen and young adult around that whole socio-sexual expectation issue.

Look at your language in your post. You weren't looking for "friends" or "companionship" or "a relationship", or "someone in your life" you were looking for a "girlfriend", a mystic gem or McGuffin someone near the beginning of a quest tells them they must one day find least you be "broken" forever.

It seems like you found something more healthy than what you were looking for, but the fact is that you still very much have all the trappings of someone who still has something "unresolved", an itch under the surface that has survived your relationship and is now looking to try to scratch the itch of your scars to make it go away.

It won't go away Excreo. It will continue "itching". It will continue being like this for you, with some uncomfortable feelings that Chris will do his damnedest to convince you to turn outward, but the person you are still uncomfortable with, if this keeps popping into your head, is you.

If you feel the need to look at trans issues more often than actual trans people, you are the confused, possibly curious, person in that equation
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None of us spend that time "anorgasmic".

In fact, "anorgasmic lifelong pharmaceutical patients" describes all the trans people I knew from before their transitions; you still sound quote "confused". After their transitions, they have practically "glowed". They also had no problems with sex. They all tend to HAVE plenty of sex, but they don't have any problems with it.
Ok that sounds good.
It absolutely does not sound like you EVER actually got professional help for your gender issues.

It sounds like they were groomed into self-hate.
I don't think I have self-hate at the moment. Other than hating my belly fat. And wishing I would be more capable of having a job.
All continuing to listen to this shyster will do is continue to make you more like him until you start to hate that part of yourself and distort in the same way. He is grooming you.
Well I've never really thought about being a woman. If I did have surgery it would be to get rid of my belly fat. I've never worn female clothing or wanted to.
You have to actually understand why you continue to hurt over it and what you really want and why you want it.
I don't think I continue to hurt over it. Except for belly fat.
Personally, I would recommend finding a therapist to talk with about gender issues because Chris is a cultist, and your issues of depression were almost certainly coming from a similar place as my own: Lifelong indoctrination into a church where any deviation of either interest of vigor in pursuing the "WASP" lifestyle was seen as, well, deviance.
I see psychologists, GPs and psychiatrists fairly regularly. I don't think I have gender issues.
I can't begin to describe the amount of depression I felt as a teen and young adult around that whole socio-sexual expectation issue.

Look at your language in your post. You weren't looking for "friends" or "companionship" or "a relationship", or "someone in your life" you were looking for a "girlfriend",
Well my love language is "physical touch" and those other options don't necessarily involve that.
a mystic gem or McGuffin someone near the beginning of a quest tells them they must one day find least you be "broken" forever.

It seems like you found something more healthy than what you were looking for, but the fact is that you still very much have all the trappings of someone who still has something "unresolved", an itch under the surface that has survived your relationship and is now looking to try to scratch the itch of your scars to make it go away.

It won't go away Excreo. It will continue "itching". It will continue being like this for you, with some uncomfortable feelings that Chris will do his damnedest to convince you to turn outward, but the person you are still uncomfortable with, if this keeps popping into your head, is you.
BTW I was planning castration about 20 years ago, in my 20s.
If you feel the need to look at trans issues more often than actual trans people, you are the confused, possibly curious, person in that equation.
I've never wanted to have my penis removed. Maybe I wanted catrastion so that I won't be addicted to porn or something (which was straight porn).
 
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