Christian Blogger: Paid Leave Hurts America Since Women Should Be Housewives

[phands]

Unbelievable....religion is sooooo backward....

Lori Alexander, the fundamentalist Christian mommy blogger who is always reminding you of hr superiority, now claims that “family-friendly” policies like subsidized child care and paid leave are bad for Americabecause they ultimately encourage women to get back to work when they should be homemakers and housewives.

Are paid family leave and subsidized child care family-friendly policies? They sure aren’t, in my opinion, because they simply make it easier for women to work away from their homes and leave their children in the care of others with the support of taxpayers funding them. It supports anti-family policies rather than building up families. Keeping children from their parents is destructive to children.
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That’s not just irresponsible, it’s ignorant. Setting aside the idea that many women want to have a career outside the home, and that both parents could use the mental health break, many families need two incomes to stay afloat. They shouldn’t have to choose between taking care of a sick relative or a newborn baby and keeping their jobs — larger American employers (and most other countries in general) know this and offer things like paid leave without question. It would be cruel if they didn’t.
Not that Alexander cares about any of that. The feminists who think women should work are just tools of the Devil, she implies.

No, we aren’t men and we don’t need to seek what they have — careers. We need to go back to the beautiful ancient paths that God has set for us and walk on them. They are the only path that godly woman should walk on, not the paths that the feminists have called women to take. Those paths only lead to destruction.
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This is the problem with fundamentalists. It’s not enough that they get to choose their own path; they want to dictate yours, too. Any woman who chooses a career isn’t just making a different choice; she’s disobeying God’s will.

http://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/...rts-america-since-women-should-be-housewives/

 

[Lion IRC]

In Australia the government subsidises extended daycare and legislates so that women are encouraged to work and pay the taxes which fund the child daycare that enables women to go to work and earn the money which....

Yeah. Really 'family' friendly.

 

[Rhea]

In Australia the government subsidises extended daycare and legislates so that women are encouraged to work and pay the taxes which fund the child daycare that enables women to go to work and earn the money which....

Yeah. Really 'family' friendly.

LOL. That’s a daft jab. No one requires them to go to work. But the government helps run a collective to make those who do work better able to do so with safe care for their family.

Yes, that is exceedingly family friendly.

Sounds like you’d rather make it as hard and dangerous as possible for families who have women who work. To punish them if they try by making their kids less safe. That’s pretty monstrous. Some of us like our jobs. Some of us need our jobs and the adult interaction that it provides.

Moreover, good childcare also helps women be able to leave abusive relationships and be able to make it on their own with their children in safety. You object to that?

People who stay home with their kids don’t use the daycare and don’t pay into it. What’s your problem? Having choices chafes at you does it? You feel anxious and bothered when women have choices? You like a nice patriarchy where you get all the choices and everyone else is your servant?


What a strange attitude.

 

[southernhybrid]

It appears as if evangelical Christianity is going in the wrong direction. My mother is an evangelical, and she worked from the time I was about five. She is now 92 and in failing health. I loved having a working mother and that was back in the 50s and 60s. I was so proud of her. Nobody in the church ever said that mothers shouldn't work when I was growing up, so what in the world has happened to these evangelicals? They've gone from having some kooky beliefs to being sexist, oppressive assholes. WTF!

 

[phands]

In Australia the government subsidises extended daycare and legislates so that women are encouraged to work and pay the taxes which fund the child daycare that enables women to go to work and earn the money which....

Yeah. Really 'family' friendly.

LOL. That’s a daft jab. No one requires them to go to work. But the government helps run a collective to make those who do work better able to do so with safe care for their family.

Yes, that is exceedingly family friendly.

Sounds like you’d rather make it as hard and dangerous as possible for families who have women who work. To punish them if they try by making their kids less safe. That’s pretty monstrous. Some of us like our jobs. Some of us need our jobs and the adult interaction that it provides.

Moreover, good childcare also helps women be able to leave abusive relationships and be able to make it on their own with their children in safety. You object to that?

People who stay home with their kids don’t use the daycare and don’t pay into it. What’s your problem? Having choices chafes at you does it? You feel anxious and bothered when women have choices? You like a nice patriarchy where you get all the choices and everyone else is your servant?


What a strange attitude.

I don't see LIRC's posts unless someone quotes them, but they never fail to completely miss the point, while always plumbing the shallows of knee-jerk what-about-ism.

 

[spikepipsqueak]

In Australia the government subsidises extended daycare and legislates so that women are encouraged to work and pay the taxes which fund the child daycare that enables women to go to work and earn the money which....

Yeah. Really 'family' friendly.

LOL. That’s a daft jab. No one requires them to go to work. But the government helps run a collective to make those who do work better able to do so with safe care for their family.

Yes, that is exceedingly family friendly.

Sounds like you’d rather make it as hard and dangerous as possible for families who have women who work. To punish them if they try by making their kids less safe. That’s pretty monstrous. Some of us like our jobs. Some of us need our jobs and the adult interaction that it provides.

Moreover, good childcare also helps women be able to leave abusive relationships and be able to make it on their own with their children in safety. You object to that?

People who stay home with their kids don’t use the daycare and don’t pay into it. What’s your problem? Having choices chafes at you does it? You feel anxious and bothered when women have choices? You like a nice patriarchy where you get all the choices and everyone else is your servant?


What a strange attitude.

At the risk of being unable to mind my own business I have to defend Lion on this.

The subsidy is such that it often doesn't pay women to return to work. By the time they pay for childcare and expenses the numbers look sick.

So the women who can go back either have family who can do childcare a couple of days a week, are professionals on a good whack or have spouses who earn enough that they can work without needing the money, just to keep credentials current or get out of the house.

I may be wrong, but I think Lion was just noting this.

I nearly cried when a Trump joke recently began "Here in Canada we charge $7 a day for child care ..."

 

[phands]

At the risk of being unable to mind my own business I have to defend Lion on this.

The subsidy is such that it often doesn't pay women to return to work. By the time they pay for childcare and expenses the numbers look sick.

So the women who can go back either have family who can do childcare a couple of days a week, are professionals on a good whack or have spouses who earn enough that they can work without needing the money, just to keep credentials current or get out of the house.

I may be wrong, but I think Lion was just noting this.

I nearly cried when a Trump joke recently began "Here in Canada we charge $7 a day for child care ..."

You missed the point. LIRC, as he often does, attempted to divert the discussion from the fact that an xtian loon in the USA says women should never work, and just be baby factories for men, by throwing in a "what about" logical fallacy about a badly implemented political policy in Australia. As usual, he only succeeds in pointing out the absurdity of the position taken by Alexander, and himself in defending her so inexpertly.

The real discussion (not LIRC's derail attempt) is about the xtian position that women cannot have careers, are "handmaidens" to men, and must just exist to produce babies. I will also point out that one of Alexander's statements must should make a lot of xtian trump supporters very uncomfortable....

Keeping children from their parents is destructive to children.

...unless they're immigrant kids at the southern border. Most of whom are xtians, by the way.

It still amazes me that xtianity never fails to let itself down, even in the face of such low standards.

 

[Lion IRC]

In Australia the government subsidises extended daycare and legislates so that women are encouraged to work and pay the taxes which fund the child daycare that enables women to go to work and earn the money which....

Yeah. Really 'family' friendly.

LOL. That’s a daft jab. No one requires them to go to work. But the government helps run a collective to make those who do work better able to do so with safe care for their family.

Yes, that is exceedingly family friendly.

Sounds like you’d rather make it as hard and dangerous as possible for families who have women who work.

No.
Family friendly policy would help mothers be WITH their children not apart from them.

...Some of us need our jobs and the adult interaction that it provides.

Yeah, I know there are plenty of mothers who need/want time apart from their 'loved ones' and no surprise that con$umeri$m rules. Likewise, plenty of governments just want more workers/consumers making more money, paying more taxes.

Moreover, good childcare also helps women be able to leave abusive relationships...

Abusive relationships? Treat the cause - not the symptoms.

People who stay home with their kids don’t use the daycare and don’t pay into it. What’s your problem?

That sounds like a good thing. Mothers get to raise their children instead of leaving them with strangers. Children feeling loved/wanted. Tax payers not having to foot the bill so that two-income families can leave their kids in long daycare.

Having choices chafes at you does it? You feel anxious and bothered when women have choices?

Marketing 101
Women/wives/mothers are responsible for > 80% of household buying decisions.

You like a nice patriarchy where you get all the choices and everyone else is your servant?

I like gender-balanced (heterosexual) parenting of nuclear families where the husband and the wife are so equal that it's as if they were "one flesh". And where "family friendly" doesn't mean making money.

What a strange attitude.

That's probably what Lori Alexander thinks of your POV

 

[Underseer]

Lion, thanks for defending this and reinforcing that this truly does represent Christian attitudes about women.

Even if you could prove your truth claims, I just don't hate women enough to ever be Christian.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

No.
Family friendly policy would help mothers be WITH their children not apart from them.

Wouldn't a family friendly policy allow parents to decide for themselves what would be best for their children as opposed to having the government mandate how they should be taken care of?

 

[phands]

No.
Family friendly policy would help mothers be WITH their children not apart from them.

Wouldn't a family friendly policy allow parents to decide for themselves what would be best for their children as opposed to having the government mandate how they should be taken care of?

I would also remove the requirement for it to be the mother (another piece of religious cack) - plenty of men are house-husbands or primary carers these days. Also, as I pointed out in another thread, kids who have same-sex parents do just fine.
Kids just need to be loved, valued and taught to think logically for themselves.

 

[bilby]

No.
Family friendly policy would help mothers be WITH their children not apart from them.

Wouldn't a family friendly policy allow parents to decide for themselves what would be best for their children as opposed to having the government Vatican mandate how they should be taken care of?

FTFY.