Climate Change(d)?

[steve_bank]

TSwizzle gets up in his climate controlled house, gets into his climate controlled car, and goes to work [n a climate controlled building. Life is bod no worries in his climatge cotroled world.

 

[DBT]

Mr TSwizzle, just look to the Mythbusters.

 

[DBT]

Roll your eyes as much as you like, Mr TSwizzle, it won't change the physics of climate change, that adding co2 means heat retention and higher global temperatures.

 

[pood]

Just tell Swizzle, “Quiet, piggy.”

 

[southernhybrid]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/22/...e_code=1.308.pN7N.XsXFU3GgGXjD&smid=url-share

Daniel Nepstad first set fire to the Amazon rainforest in 1985.

He was a young researcher at the time, studying how tropical forests remained so lush, even during the dry season. “I became obsessed with the incredible ability of these forests to endure drought,” he said.

After years of experiments, including numerous attempts to intentionally light the Amazon aflame, he arrived at a surprising conclusion: “Forests are pretty hard to burn down.”

Much has changed since then.

As climate change has pushed global temperatures to record levels, the Amazon has become increasingly combustible, creating years of rolling environmental crisis.

Persistent heat makes it harder for vegetation to retain moisture, which in turn makes it easier for forests to burn. On top of that, the vast majority of fires in the Amazon are set by humans, particularly by farmers clearing land for agriculture. Fire begets fire.

Last year, a record amount of tropical primary forests burned around the globe, according to the World Economic Forum, five times as much as the prior year’s level of forest loss. In the Amazon, fires consumed an area larger than California.

Now Mr. Nepstad is returning to the Amazon to try to stop fires in a region that scientists have identified as a critical bulwark against global warming.

“Fire is the biggest threat to the Amazon, but it’s also a problem that’s possible to solve,” Mr. Nepstad said. “This is the biggest climate solution that could happen over the next few years.”

Working through his own nonprofit organization, the Earth Innovation Institute, along with a coalition of other groups, local business leaders and international research groups, Mr. Nepstad is trying to encourage small shifts in behavior that might help stop fires before they begin.

The changes he is asking farmers to make can be modest: planting different crops, letting forests return and pooling resources to afford machinery that can clear land instead of resorting to intentional burns. Yet in the aggregate, he believes these modifications can have a major effect.

The article is long and I'm "gifting" it. It's tragic what human activity is doing and has done to the Amazon. It's a sad but interesting read, so I hope the posters who actually believe and understand science will read it. I'm just quoting a little to give you an idea of what is happening in the some of the most important rain forests in the world. It is good to see that someone is hopeful that if he can inspire change, perhaps the damage will slow down.

Fires in Brazil have grown worse in recent years. Last year, they swept across the Pantanal, the world’s largest wetlands. After seasonal rains failed to materialize last year, a record number of fires charred the Amazon. Five years earlier, in 2019, another bad fire season consumed vast tracts of land.

All these blazes present myriad challenges. When virgin rainforest burns, it takes a toll on biodiversity. When agricultural land burns, it affects the livelihoods of the more than 40 million people who live in the Amazon.

The fires also release vast quantities of stored carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, accelerating global warming.

This marks a stark reversal of an age-old trend. In recent centuries, the Amazon acted like a filter, absorbing many of the planet-warming emissions from the burning of fossil fuels like coal, oil and gas.

But some of this area is no longer a reliable carbon sink. In recent years, parts of the Amazon that have been developed into farmland, including the area where Mr. Nepstad started his career, now produce more carbon dioxide than they absorb.

Left unchecked, scientists warn that the loss of Amazon to fire and deforestation could lead to irreversible changes, leading to much of the forest giving way to grasslands and further accelerating global temperature rise.

There is much more to read about the problems in the Amazon rain forests. Only a fool would deny that human influence is causing this problem. Humans have a long history of destroying their own habitats, and sadly we harm or destroy a lot of very important species with our behavior, even if we don't realize what we are doing. Sadly, people don't like to change their behavior and that's made it very difficult to stop what's happening to the environment due to human activity.

 

[pood]

But the temperature in Santa Monica is equable.

 

[steve_bank]

Fizzle, let us start with the basics.

1 + 1 = 2
1 + 2 = 3
1 + 3 = 4

When cold and warm air meets cold air sinking and warm air rising creates storms.

The greater the temperature difference the stronger the storm.

Warmer average air temperature means stronger storms.

Getting the hang of it now? Even a few degrees rise in average temperature has a big effect.

In lesson 2 we will cover energy represented for a temperature rise with a mass of air.

For your homework open the book and look at the equation q = m*c*dT for the next class. And write the above 100 times on a whiteboard.

 

[Swammerdami]

Has the devastating flooding in Hat Yai made the Western news? Much of Thailand's Far South is affected, but especially the major city of Hat Yai. Here's a news story about the Hat Yai flood. See the many cars almost completely submerged? Some two-story houses are full of water up to their roofs. The main problem IIUC is simply too much rain -- all-time rainfall records have been broken. After days of this, rain continues to fall as I write.

There has been a long series of major storms in the SE Asia region in recent months. Vietnam is also being devastated by floods right now; I don't know if that's from the same storm that devastated Hat Yai or is due to the next storm in the series. Chiang Mai (where I live) has experienced unseasonal rain lately, but is largely unscathed. (This is the first year for a while that the Ping River didn't overflow.)

Thailand has nothing like FEMA. Many of the flat-bottomed boats and special trucks needed to rescue people from submerged houses are being supplied by flood rescue teams based in Chiang Mai, 1600 km away.

I don't know the exact links to climate change, but storms have been more vicious lately, and other weather patterns have changed significantly. Contrary to the views of IIDB's expert climatologist, I think the residents of Hat Yai -- some still stranded on their roofs waiting for rescue -- have PERCEIVED the change in climate.

 

[TSwizzle]

I don't know the exact links to climate change

That’s correct, you don’t know.

 

[Swammerdami]

I don't know the exact links to climate change

That’s correct, you don’t know.

As opposed to you, who are absolutely certain that there are zero links to the nonexistent anthropogenic climate change

 

[steve_bank]

I don't know the exact links to climate change

That’s correct, you don’t know.

Ooh OOh!! I do!! I do!! I known!!!


Lesson #2 The Green-hose Effect. How a greenhouse works is as ordinary knowledge as knowing 1 + 1 = 2.

What Is the Greenhouse Effect? - NASA Science

Watch this video to learn about the greenhouse effect!

science.nasa.gov

As you might expect from the name, the greenhouse effect works … like a greenhouse! A greenhouse is a building with glass walls and a glass roof. Greenhouses are used to grow plants, such as tomatoes and tropical flowers. They are often used in places that are colder than a plant's natural environment.

A greenhouse stays warm inside, even during the winter. In the daytime, sunlight passes through the glass into the greenhouse. It warms the soil, plants, and air inside. At night, the soil and plants slowly release this heat. But the glass traps it in, making the greenhouse warmer than it is outside.

A greenhouse lets sunlight come through the glass during the day, warming up the plants and soil. At night, the plants and soil slowly release the heat, which gets trapped inside by the glass. This helps keep the temperature inside the greenhouse warmer than it is outside.
NASA/JPL-Caltech

The greenhouse effect on Earth works much the same way. Certain gases in the atmosphere trap heat like the glass of a greenhouse. These heat-trapping gases are called greenhouse gases.

During the day, sunlight travels through the atmosphere and warms Earth’s surface. Some of that sunlight bounces, or reflects, off the surface back into space. The rest of it gets absorbed and heats up the surface. At night, Earth's surface cools, releasing this heat back into the air. But some of the heat is trapped by the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. That's what keeps our Earth warm enough to support life as we know it.


The greenhouse effect increases on Earth when greenhouse gases are added to the atmosphere. They can be added to the air by a variety of sources.

Scientists have found that over the last 100 years extra greenhouse gases have mainly come from a few sources. These are things like burning coal and oil for energy or burning gasoline to run cars and planes. Other sources, such as erupting volcanoes, have also added some greenhouse gases to the air. But those natural additions have been too small to account for the amount of greenhouse gases we measure in the air today.

Natural and human sources of greenhouse gases are measurable.

Would you argue that greenhouses used to grow tomatoes and flowers oo not work?

And in turn argue tat the Earth stratosphere does not act as a greenhouse? If you do then you haveb to explain how the Earth surface is warm enough to support life.

Mars is cpl;d because it has no atmosphere. Venus is is a runaway greenhouse.

Mars is so cold because it is farther from the Sun, has a very thin atmosphere that cannot trap heat, and has a weak greenhouse effect compared to Earth. This combination of factors means Mars receives less solar energy and what little heat it does absorb escapes easily into space, leading to extremely cold temperatures, with the average being about \(-60\) °C (\(-80\) °F).

Venus has a runaway greenhouse effect due to its proximity to the Sun, which caused its early oceans to evaporate. This process was likely amplified by volcanic activity, which released massive amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. The water vapor in the atmosphere was then broken apart by ultraviolet radiation, and the resulting hydrogen escaped into space, while the carbon dioxide built up, creating an extreme greenhouse effect that traps heat and makes Venus the hottest planet in the solar system.

If you reject the atmosphere as a greenhouse trapping heat then you reject maijnstream science that predates the rise of climate and warming issues.

 

[TSwizzle]

I don't know the exact links to climate change

That’s correct, you don’t know.

As opposed to you, who are absolutely certain that there are zero links to the nonexistent anthropogenic climate change

When there is actual evidence of it then you may know it but until then, it’s just your wishful thinking.

 

[bilby]

When there is actual evidence of it then you may know it

^ Actual evidence.

 

[steve_bank]

TSwizzle

Did you read my last post, or is this another case of your wilful ignorance?

You are either unable to actually read and understand the basic information or you are willfully ignorant. Which is it?

As they say, the truth hurts. Are you afraid to actuary read the information, fearing you will have to face a conclusion you do not want to?

I read a bio of Galileo. His initial antagonist was not the RCC, it was the intellectuals who made a living teching the religious orthodoxy to the upper classes.

He would have them look through his telescope and say look you can see mountains on the Moon. They would say they saw nothing.

Wilful ignorance.

Would you like to discuss the greenhouse effect?

The hemostat acts like a greenhouse. The temperatures you often site in Santa Monica are due to greenhouse gases the atmosphere[here otherwise the Earth would be cold. Global whamming is the result of adding gases above natural sources.

Do you disagree, and if so why?

 

[GenesisNemesis]

When there is actual evidence of it then you may know it

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View attachment 52847^ Actual evidence.

Too complicated for a right winger.

 

[southernhybrid]

I don't know the exact links to climate change

That’s correct, you don’t know.

As opposed to you, who are absolutely certain that there are zero links to the nonexistent anthropogenic climate change

When there is actual evidence of it then you may know it but until then, it’s just your wishful thinking.

Wishful thinking? Seriously? Nobody is wishing for this, but those in denial are wishing it's not true. There are tons of scientific articles that explain what's happening climate wise, but one must have an open mind and be able and willing to read in order to understand what's happening. I also don't understand why a denialist would be participating in this thread with eye rolls and meaningless posts unless their purpose is to try and upset others. Well, I have news for you. We are just discussing the evidence, and I doubt any of us give a shit about what someone who probably never reads the evidence and who likely doesn't want to know the truth says. I get it. I have grandkids. I'll likely be dead before things become get a lot worse, but I do feel for the future generations who will be victims of governments who refused to do anything about this.

The idiot in WH is now doing away with protections for water, air and endangered species. He thinks that windmills are dangerous and oil is great, so why not drill baby drill! So, he and his sycophants behavior is not only influencing the climate, it's influencing the water we drink and the air we breathe along with some of the species we depend on to pollinate our food, among other things. One would think that even a denialist would want clean water and clean air. I'm old enough to recall the New York City skyline when it was so polluted that you could barely see the buildings through the haze. We made big improvements in the air quality but the fools leading the country are taking us back.

Btw, currently over 99% of scientists accept that human activity is influencing the climate in a negative way. So, are we supposed to believe a person who is ignorant regarding the science of climate change and who has nothing intelligent to say or should we believe well educated scientists who share the evidence they find related to the climate?

 

[Shadowy Man]

I also don't understand why a denialist would be participating in this thread with eye rolls and meaningless posts unless their purpose is to try and upset others.

Bingo!

 

[GenesisNemesis]

I don't know the exact links to climate change

That’s correct, you don’t know.

As opposed to you, who are absolutely certain that there are zero links to the nonexistent anthropogenic climate change

When there is actual evidence of it then you may know it but until then, it’s just your wishful thinking.

Wishful thinking? Seriously? Nobody is wishing for this

And Tswizzle still hasn't explained exactly how the amount of natural carbon dioxide is enough to account for warming when we know far more has been added to the atmosphere by human made things. It's 100% wishful thinking to suggest human caused warming isn't happening. It's physically impossible it isn't happening.

 

[steve_bank]

If he sticks to his pattern when he gets pummeled he will wait awhile and then post something from the Guardian .

 

[TSwizzle]

This obsession with CO2 needs to stop.

It's a balmy 75 degrees in Santa Monica today.