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Climate Change(d)?

steve_bank said:
The thawing is not going to be reversed. While we need to keep going green, I doubt it is going to soften long term effects.
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Certainly true, but much in the way that the inevitability of wildfires does not justify poor campfire protocol, we need to learn to live with ans within the realities of our planet, one of which atmospheric composition is important to our survival.
 
Yes. Even if the choice is between, say, a 2.2° temperature rise and a 2.15° rise, the 2.15° rise is preferable.
 
Watched a NOVA show on the Mayan civilization. Aerial LIDAR that looks through forest canopy showed a complex network of city states connects by roads. There were what we cal suburbs. Sub communities with houses and shops. Trade between cities. Houses had plaster floors. Archeology indicates that material wealth was spread around not just limited to the leaders. In short a high civilization. There were wars but generally a peaceful culture.

At the peak unstable weather and droughts hit. They adapted, in part by changing agriculture. They went from a doiverse nutricious diet to a corn based diet. It worked fpr a while until large scale drought. Trade and the economy rapidly failed. The evidence indicates a rapid crash. Communities were abandoned. Dead bodies and weapons were found left behind indicating a breakdown in order.

California and the Southwest are hit by drought. The pandemic shows how fragile or supply chain is.

www.cnn.com

Exclusive: Experts say the term 'drought' may be insufficient to capture what is happening in the West | CNN Politics

Bureau of Reclamation chief Camille Touton told CNN the agency is managing the nation's water resources in an uncertain, unprecedented time.
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CNN)As the American West continues into its 22nd year of a parching megadrought, officials at the federal government's top water resource management agency are trying to plan for an uncertain and unprecedented time for the nation's largest reservoirs.
"When [the system] was built 100 years ago, you could look outside your window if you're in Colorado and see snow, and know that that's your reservoir for the spring," Bureau of Reclamation Commissioner Camille Touton told CNN in an exclusive interview. "It's not like that anymore. What you're seeing there is just a completely different way in which the system is managed."
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https://www.chicagotribune.com/weat...-rwpa3fwtc5aydjle42utxfu3ge-photogallery.html

Description: The latest United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report is yet another reminder of the dire effects of climate change. While climate projections often look to the future when discussing the worst impacts of climate change, we are in fact already experiencing its effects across the United States. To better understand how climate change is impacting the country, Stacker compiled a list of the impacts of climate change in every state, using local and national news stories, government reports, and scientific journal articles. Visit thestacker.com for similar lists and stories.
(Stephanie Parker, Stacker.com)
 
The latest estimate I hear is sea rise by about 12 inches in 30 years. That is catastrophic.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
steve_bank said:
The latest estimate I hear is sea rise by about 12 inches in 30 years. That is catastrophic.
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I saw something that indicated that the speed of the Gulf Stream (slowing) can impact sea level significantly as well.
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That article contains a hell of a lot of hand waving. If the Gulf Stream halts then warm equatorial water would stop being transported to the arctic regions. The northern U.S., Canada, Europe, and the Arctic would likely experience cooling and a return to massive glaciation. The increase in glaciation would tie up more water causing sea levels to drip... That is the hand waving of those 'scientists' who have been predicting that global warming would bring on the next ice age.

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But then most articles written about climate are by people who have no education or training in the field. Such articles are written to get clicks with "OMG, we're all gonna die" predictions. The author of this piece holds a degree in creative writing, not climatology.
 
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skepticalbip said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
steve_bank said:
The latest estimate I hear is sea rise by about 12 inches in 30 years. That is catastrophic.
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I saw something that indicated that the speed of the Gulf Stream (slowing) can impact sea level significantly as well.
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That article contains a hell of a lot of hand waving. If the Gulf Stream halts then warm equatorial water would stop being transported to the arctic regions. The northern U.S., Canada, Europe, and the Arctic would likely experience cooling and a return to massive glaciation. The increase in glaciation would tie up more water causing sea levels to drip... That is the hand waving of those 'scientists' who have been predicting that global warming would bring on the next ice age.

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But then most articles written about climate are by people who have no education or training in the field. Such articles are written to get clicks with "OMG, we're all gonna die" predictions. The author of this piece holds a degree in creative writing, not climatology.
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We are already seeing the increase on the Eastern Coast of the US, which is believed to be linked to the slowing of the Gulf Stream. As in, this is well on its way of happening. Coastal areas notice this a lot more due to storm water drainage, which gets harder because they have virtually no elevation drops to help drain stormwater.
 
It is also the North Atlantic currents off of Europe. It moderates European climate and churns nutrients for marine life. It begins at the southern pole. Cold water sinks and travels along the sea floor. If the ice melts too much no currents.

It is not rocket science. Rate of ice melt adding fresh water to the oceans.

There have been tests with deep ocean turbines that generate electricity from the currents.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
steve_bank said:
The latest estimate I hear is sea rise by about 12 inches in 30 years. That is catastrophic.
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I saw something that indicated that the speed of the Gulf Stream (slowing) can impact sea level significantly as well.
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I saw this in the article you posted...https://www.livescience.com/ticks-carry-deadly-powassan-virus

"A site in Pennsylvania recently recorded the highest-ever concentration of ticks carrying a variant of potentially fatal Powassan virus called deer-tick virus (DTV). This rare virus has the potential to cause deadly infections with lasting neurological effects, and officials fear it and other serious tick-borne illnesses may become more common in the future."
 
Here in Washington water conservation projects are beginning in Eastern Wa in anticipation of reduced runoff from snow packs.

Dirt irrigation canals are being lined with plastic to reduce losses. Lake levels will be raised. New reservoirs to be built.

Driving through Eastern Wa on the interstate is like driving through parts of the mid west, agriculture as far as yu can see. Green in summer.

fThe estimate is 80% loss od snow pack in 30 years.

Agriculture
Drinking Water
Fish Habitat

Salmon spawning is water temperate dependent.

Back in the 90s I listened to a UW report on global warming of lakes. Here in Seattle's Lake Washington salmon runs are aligned with temperature. When the lake reaches a certain temperature there is an algae bloom. Small organisms feed on the algae. small fish eat the organisms. When salmon arrive there is plenty of the fish salmon feed on.

Rising lake temperature makes the bloom occur earlier and the salmon arrive past the peak of its food supply.
 
Oh noes!!!!1111!!!11!!

Climate breakdown is accelerating rapidly, many of the impacts will be more severe than predicted and there is only a narrow chance left of avoiding its worst ravages, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has said. Even at current levels, human actions in heating the climate are causing dangerous and widespread disruption, threatening devastation to swathes of the natural world and rendering many areas unliveable, according to the landmark report published on Monday. “The scientific evidence is unequivocal: climate change is a threat to human wellbeing and the health of the planet,” said Hans-Otto Pörtner, a co-chair of working group 2 of the IPCC. “Any further delay in concerted global action will miss a brief and rapidly closing window to secure a liveable future.”
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Teh Gruaniad

A rapture like cult.
 
TSwizzle said:
Oh noes!!!!1111!!!11!!

Climate breakdown is accelerating rapidly, many of the impacts will be more severe than predicted and there is only a narrow chance left of avoiding its worst ravages, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has said. Even at current levels, human actions in heating the climate are causing dangerous and widespread disruption, threatening devastation to swathes of the natural world and rendering many areas unliveable, according to the landmark report published on Monday. “The scientific evidence is unequivocal: climate change is a threat to human wellbeing and the health of the planet,” said Hans-Otto Pörtner, a co-chair of working group 2 of the IPCC. “Any further delay in concerted global action will miss a brief and rapidly closing window to secure a liveable future.”
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Teh Gruaniad

A rapture like cult.
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No, you're presenting the cult-think. You aren't even trying to rebut it, just declaring it wrong.

Look at the death tolls that keep getting racked up by heat waves.
 

Dec 2, 2023 Day 2 Fire Weather Outlook

Severe weather, tornado, thunderstorm, fire weather, storm report, tornado watch, severe thunderstorm watch, mesoscale discussion, convective outlook products from the Storm Prediction Center.
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NOAA is predicting more drought for the west this spring and summer.
 
*sigh* The cultists are getting increasingly more violent in forcing non believers into compliance;

The activists who took “climate action” against sports utility vehicles by flattening their tyres in the last two weeks have been receiving solidarity and calls for information from around the world. Tyre Extinguishers provides instructions on how to deflate SUV tyres, offers guidance on who to target and collates reports of actions across the country. Acting autonomously and, usually, under the cover of darkness, the activists have used lentils to deflate tyres by placing one inside the tyre valve, holding it open and slowly bleeding air until the tyre is flat. The group calculates they’ve deflated the tyres on at least a thousand vehicles in two weeks.
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Teh Gruaniad

Of course, Teh Gruaniad covertly approves of this.

And recently some of unhinged lunatics took to the field of English Premier League soccer games and tried to handcuff themselves to the goal posts.

It really is a rapture like-cult.
 
The word violent was used and presumed they knifed the tires. Nope, they deflated them. People shouldn’t do this but this is a rather inconvenient cult instead of a violent one.
 
If someone is driving along the road at speed and the compromised tire(s) causes the driver to lose control of the vehicle and crash, I consider this (deflating tires) to be an act of violence. These cultists could very well get people killed. Letting air out the tires is not a harmless prank, it’s dangerous.
 
TSwizzle said:
If someone is driving along the road at speed and the compromised tire(s) causes the driver to lose control of the vehicle and crash, I consider this (deflating tires) to be an act of violence. These cultists could very well get people killed. Letting air out the tires is not a harmless prank, it’s dangerous.
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Try hugging a tree, it will make you feel better.
 
In the news shell fish are declining due to increasing ocean PH.

A husband and wife having dinner on the Titanic.

Dear did you fell that bump? No hone, they say the Titanic is unsinkable. I think I'll have another martini.
 
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