fromderinside
Mazzie Daius
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Evolution, of course, doesn't care about (and our survival does not depend on) whether there are colours 'out there' or not. All that matters (for survival etc) is that it's useful to tell the difference between stuff (one radiated wavelength or amplitude from another for instance). We don't yet know why we have any conscious experiences, why anything feels like anything at all. But it does seem fairly clear that some phenomena are very likely purely mental (private, subjective, conscious, inner).
Light is about photic energy and perception as I noted before depends on distinguishing between levels of photic energy. The article to which I referred above shows that colors also depend on such distinctions independent of cultural differences as do and the descriptions of color standards to which steve bank referred.
Now you can claim you don't have proof - there is proof that satisfies the scientific community - defended by adherents of rational philosophy and rationalist psychology bent of preserving concepts of mind, intuition, instinct as being 'mental' facilities out of the functionalist tradition (think Woodworth and Boring). The only proof you have is your lack of it. I won't go further down this path since it surely goes counter to your preferred beliefs ruby sparks.
Instead I'll just speak a bit about what I'm impressed by about the brain and how we perceive. We now have a brain that takes advantage one region for another to preserve a perceptual capacity, that replaces lost abilities by employing areas of brain used by the blind or deaf to see or hear or deal with language. We don't know how the 100 to 1000 to one neural connectivities carry out what we call thinking, remembering or even representing but we do know that both are done and that because of some protocols employed we often encounter illusions.
Hell I even found in 1979 that ascending and descending process interactions contributed to something akin to a holographic representation of percept (Sutherland 1965) at sites along these pathways- representations of minute variations along these pathways from site to site in what becomes cognition - when I was actually looking for the locus of learning in ascending descending process activity.
Just recently while reconsidering my dissertation work on moving auditory stimuli I came to understand a role outer hair cells play beyond correcting for delay of percept of signal from high to low frequency. I found that these cells probably contribute to making doppler signal integration as a primary cue to localization of auditory moving events.
The whole impetus of my current tirade is that we know the physical world drives percept and quality of percept iac fitness drives evolution. Consequently we know that what we perceive is material.