Consciousness

[fromderinside]

R U coaching untermenche none?

 

[none]

No word yet

 

[untermensche]

Yeah some is motor control, subtract that and you get thinking
I'm sure you can describe some of the activity differently
But even brain activity, thinking is recorded despite what you can describe, its recorded in brain scans and the tissue of the brain
The brain scan image is an image of thinking
The brain is for thinking we have images of it occurring
So why do you not think brain scans showing thought aren't brain scans showing thought, something empirical?

You are merely claiming the images show thinking without a bit of evidence showing it is.

You are expressing a faith, nothing more.

 

[none]

The brain is responsible for thought
What do you think a pet scan shows?

 

[bilby]

The brain is responsible for thought
What do you think a pet scan shows?

Same as a cat scan, only for a wider range of animals.

 

[untermensche]

The brain is responsible for thought
What do you think a pet scan shows?

A PET scan shows relative levels of cellular activity.

It does not show thinking.

Thinking is not clouds of relative activity. It is a very specific activity with a specific result.

 

[none]

The brain is responsible for thought
What do you think a pet scan shows?

A PET scan shows relative levels of cellular activity.

It does not show thinking.

Thinking is not clouds of relative activity. It is a very specific activity with a specific result.

Thinking is thinking, the brain does thinking.
We have images of that event
Try thinking without a brain
Can you explain thinking without a brain, empirically?

 

[untermensche]

A PET scan shows relative levels of cellular activity.

It does not show thinking.

Thinking is not clouds of relative activity. It is a very specific activity with a specific result.

Thinking is thinking, the brain does thinking.
We have images of that event
Try thinking without a brain
Can you explain thinking without a brain, empirically?

We have no images of thinking.

We do not know what it is.

 

[none]

Thinking is thinking, the brain does thinking.
We have images of that event
Try thinking without a brain
Can you explain thinking without a brain, empirically?

We have no images of thinking.

We do not know what it is.

Thinking is a behavior performed by the brain, just because you don't understand that simple fact doesn't make it something that isn't understood by people who aren't denying
I would give you evidence but you aren't interested in truth

 

[untermensche]

We have no images of thinking.

We do not know what it is.

Thinking is a behavior performed by the brain, just because you don't understand that simple fact doesn't make it something that isn't understood
I would give you evidence but you aren't interested in truth

Is the machine before you all that is involved in the car radio playing a song?

 

[none]

Thinking is a behavior performed by the brain, just because you don't understand that simple fact doesn't make it something that isn't understood
I would give you evidence but you aren't interested in truth

Is the machine before you all that is involved in the car radio playing a song?

Who cares I'm talking about thinking
There is plenty of evidence to support the fact that the brain is responsible for thinking
If you can only speak in analogies it shows just how misinformed you are
What is your motivation for denying that the brain is responsible for thought?

 

[untermensche]

Is the machine before you all that is involved in the car radio playing a song?

Who cares I'm talking about thinking
There is plenty of evidence to support the fact that the brain is responsible for thinking
If you can only speak in analogies it shows just how misinformed you are

I am not talking about where consciousness is created. Who cares?

I am talking about what it is. What kind of phenomena is it? What is it capable of doing?

And objectively we have no idea.

 

[none]

Who cares I'm talking about thinking
There is plenty of evidence to support the fact that the brain is responsible for thinking
If you can only speak in analogies it shows just how misinformed you are

I am not talking about where consciousness is created. Who cares?

I am talking about what it is. What kind of phenomena is it? What is it capable of doing?

And objectively we have no idea.

A lobotomy is pretty objective

 

[bilby]

Who cares I'm talking about thinking
There is plenty of evidence to support the fact that the brain is responsible for thinking
If you can only speak in analogies it shows just how misinformed you are

I am not talking about where consciousness is created. Who cares?

I am talking about what it is. What kind of phenomena is it? What is it capable of doing?

And objectively we have no idea.

YOU have no idea.

Your assumption that this means that nobody has any idea is unwarranted and laughable.

 

[none]

These mind body dualists, what leads them to think this way?
Let's just say consciousness isn't limited to the brain, what is the evidence?

 

[bilby]

These mind body dualists, what leads them to think this way?
Let's just say consciousness isn't limited to the brain, what is the evidence?

Show

It kinda feels like it might be so.

Sorry if you didn't want that big information dump, but I felt that it was worthwhile to include all of the evidence that is available on the subject.

 

[untermensche]

I am not talking about where consciousness is created. Who cares?

I am talking about what it is. What kind of phenomena is it? What is it capable of doing?

And objectively we have no idea.

A lobotomy is pretty objective

That tells us where. Nothing else. It does not tell us one thing about what consciousness is.

Are you playing?

Who gives a fuck about where?

That does not tell us anything about the nature of the phenomena.

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I am not talking about where consciousness is created. Who cares?

I am talking about what it is. What kind of phenomena is it? What is it capable of doing?

And objectively we have no idea.

YOU have no idea.

Your assumption that this means that nobody has any idea is unwarranted and laughable.

You have been asked many times to back up this nonsense.

Every time you run away.

Put up or shut up.

Explain one aspect of consciousness from cell to experience.

 

[none]

Thinking, its a behavior produced by the brain
I don't understand why you don't understand that thinking is a behavior produced by the brain
Try not to be emotional about it

 

[untermensche]

Thinking, its a behavior produced by the brain
I don't understand why you don't understand that thinking is a behavior produced by the brain
Try not to be emotional about it

I am not emotional.

But I feel I am talking to naive children.

The questions of interest about consciousness are: How is it achieved? What is it capable of doing? How did it evolve?

Not: Where is it likely generated?

That is a question that doesn't matter. Nobody is looking anywhere besides the brain. We have moved past that long ago.

 

[none]

Not only do you not understand the brain you don't understand consciousness
No wonder you are so upset