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Cop Indicted For Murder

All this promotion of blacks are always the victims causes this sort of thing to happen.

All this promotion of blacks are always the victims causes this sort of thing to happen.

All this promotion of blacks are always the victims causes this sort of thing to happen.

All this promotion of blacks are always the victims causes this sort of thing to happen.
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Rhea sounds much more well informed about how vehicles move, how fast, and so forth than you do, actually.

More to the point, I think she's actually viewed video instead of repeating the interpretation of some right wing nutjob with an internet connection and/or a camera pointed at his head.

No, she sounds like someone who agrees with you. Numbers have been posted, nobody rebutted the math.

You mean Rhea's math? Because she actually engages in some discussion of distances, speeds, acceleration. With some actual authority deriving from her actual experience. Unlike...well, you who appears to be link challenged.

Look, you have a loooooooooooooooooooong history of making statements without backing them up and then getting all pissy and/or absent if someone actually asks you to provide a link. Somehow, that's beneath you. Here's the thing: you are not god. You are not even particularly well informed. And considering the opinions of most of the folks around here about supreme beings, you maybe should just take a different tact and explain yourself. Maybe document your claims. Or qualify them with statements such as: It seem to me.... or In my opinion.
 
This is what happens when we are shunned for advocating violence. Had we that right, we could possibly get more equality in the criminal world.

Why don't you move to Somalia. It sounds more like the sort of society you want.
It's not the sort of society I want. I appoligize for I how I sounded. I just have this idea that if racism isn't the true underlying cause of disproportionate statistics regarding certain racially referenced statistics, certain people would prefer non-disproportionate statistics even if it meant ... .

I shouldn't post when moody. My bad.
 
Right, because the only alternatives open to the police are either shooting an unarmed person or being pistol-whipped with their own weapon.
It shows quite clearly that being "unarmed" doesn't mean you do not pose a threat. Yet that has been the claim in cases like Michael Brown's. Had this cop shot the perp before the perp gained control of the cop's gun I am there would be those on here calling it a "murder".
I realize that the bootlickers to police authority don't understand this, but if the police were trusted, then the bystanders probably would have reacted differently.
Police are never going to be trusted by criminals.
 
Why is this thread so long? (And I’m wondering partly because my own wasted time). Loren Pechtel never had anything but misinformation. Derec never had anything but tricks of misdirection.
 
Rhea sounds much more well informed about how vehicles move, how fast, and so forth than you do, actually.

More to the point, I think she's actually viewed video instead of repeating the interpretation of some right wing nutjob with an internet connection and/or a camera pointed at his head.

No, she sounds like someone who agrees with you. Numbers have been posted, nobody rebutted the math.

There's no "math" to rebut. Runburgundy pulled a stack of very specific figures out of his ass and didn't bother supporting them with anything, thus you finding them to be credible is somewhat revealing.

On the other hand, I've already shown that the car had not moved yet when Tensing pulled his gun.

You're entitled to your opinion, LP, but not to your own facts.
 
Rhea sounds much more well informed about how vehicles move, how fast, and so forth than you do, actually.

More to the point, I think she's actually viewed video instead of repeating the interpretation of some right wing nutjob with an internet connection and/or a camera pointed at his head.

No, she sounds like someone who agrees with you. Numbers have been posted, nobody rebutted the math.

I rebutted your math.

Dude. **I** said he was running backwards.
IF you claim the car was moving and
IF you also look at the stills from the video
THEN you see that while the car was allegedly moving up to 7mph (as calculated by someone here claiming it was moving)
THEN you see the cop somehow staying forward of the victim while facing the victim during the interim the car is said to be moving.
THEREFORE the cop must be running backwards to maintain his position forward of the victim and facing him for the shot while the car is moving.

The cop is facing the side of the car. If the cop is running backwards why isn't he opening the distance between himself and the car?? Stationary cars on level ground don't just start moving sideways!
Sigh.

Running backwards in the same line as the movement of the car. His camera points into the car, and at times angles backwards to the driver as it would from someone standing forward, such as at the mirror (not exactly, but in the direction.) So by "backwards, I meant facing rearward, toward the driver, running backwards alonside the car to keep the camera pointed toward the drivers face/


Really.
You think it is unlikely for a dying body to stretch out.
What makes you think that?

What would make it stretch out?
All the animals I've killed (mostly woodchucks, chickens and rabbits) seem to do it quite a lot. I don't know the physiological mechanism.
Loren calling a person "a black" is base nastiness. You should learn to stop it.
Are you really unable to see it, or do you reject that it's nasty? Is it conscious or unconscious?

It's the relevant characteristic, the use of the term is appropriate.


The relevant characteristic would be "a person who is black" When you write "a black" it has a different meaning. Which you know. And if you really didn't before, you do now.
 
It shows quite clearly that being "unarmed" doesn't mean you do not pose a threat. Yet that has been the claim in cases like Michael Brown's.
No, the claim is being unarmed is not an automatic deadly threat.
Had this cop shot the perp before the perp gained control of the cop's gun I am there would be those on here calling it a "murder".
There are always people who say stuff. Just like if the police officer had just pulled out his firearm at the stop and executed the driver, there would be people justifying the shoot because black men are scary or that a police officer was scared.
Police are never going to be trusted by criminals.
I realize this is a difficult concept for some people, but most people are not criminals, most protesters are not criminals, and most black people are not criminals. The problem for the police is that a growing proportion of the regular citizenry does not trust them as much or at all.
 
In the real world there isn't a third course. He didn't fire, he's lucky to be alive. Issue cops with phasers and they'll have another course of action. Until then this is reality.

The 95% of the world that is not the USA seem to be able to find other options. Are you seriously suggesting that your 5% of the world is the only bit that is real enough for this dichotomy to apply?

I think it comes down to the criminals.
 
All this promotion of blacks are always the victims causes this sort of thing to happen.

All this promotion of blacks are always the victims causes this sort of thing to happen.

All this promotion of blacks are always the victims causes this sort of thing to happen.
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Repeating yourself does nothing about rebutting the point.

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Why don't you move to Somalia. It sounds more like the sort of society you want.
It's not the sort of society I want. I appoligize for I how I sounded. I just have this idea that if racism isn't the true underlying cause of disproportionate statistics regarding certain racially referenced statistics, certain people would prefer non-disproportionate statistics even if it meant ... .

I shouldn't post when moody. My bad.

A society in which it's proper for people to attack law enforcement is a society without meaningful law enforcement. Somalia.
 
No, she sounds like someone who agrees with you. Numbers have been posted, nobody rebutted the math.

I rebutted your math.

It wasn't my math. And you called it wrong without correcting it.

The cop is facing the side of the car. If the cop is running backwards why isn't he opening the distance between himself and the car?? Stationary cars on level ground don't just start moving sideways!
Sigh.

"Sigh" is your response to being caught arguing a point that makes no sense??

Running backwards in the same line as the movement of the car. His camera points into the car, and at times angles backwards to the driver as it would from someone standing forward, such as at the mirror (not exactly, but in the direction.) So by "backwards, I meant facing rearward, toward the driver, running backwards alonside the car to keep the camera pointed toward the drivers face/

It makes no more sense this way.


Really.
You think it is unlikely for a dying body to stretch out.
What makes you think that?

What would make it stretch out?
All the animals I've killed (mostly woodchucks, chickens and rabbits) seem to do it quite a lot. I don't know the physiological mechanism.

Of course the body relaxes. That's not going to push the gas, though--one's heel is usually on the floor of the car, the only available weight to apply pressure is from the foot itself and most of that is downward through the heel on the floor of the car. You might get a small effect, you won't get a stomp on the gas. That takes the muscles actually pressing down.

The relevant characteristic would be "a person who is black" When you write "a black" it has a different meaning. Which you know. And if you really didn't before, you do now.

No. I'm saying he's being defended because he is black. His race is not incidental to the issue, it's the important issue. Hence "a black", not "a person who is black."
 
Repeating yourself does nothing about rebutting the point.
I didn't repeat myself. I repeated what you said, just in case anyone missed that nugget of bias.

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"Sigh" is your response to being caught arguing a point that makes no sense??
Duh, she is dealing with your counterfactual realities.
 
The 95% of the world that is not the USA seem to be able to find other options. Are you seriously suggesting that your 5% of the world is the only bit that is real enough for this dichotomy to apply?

I think it comes down to the criminals.

In what way do US criminals differ so significantly from criminals everywhere else in the world?

The only difference I can see that seems plausible is the relative ease of access to firearms in the US. Perhaps the solution to all this shit is sane gun control laws?
 
Loren, even his lawyer admitted he only thought he was being dragged.

The car was moving. I don't see how it is only "thought". He wasn't dragged far but that's not the same as not being dragged.

The video doesn't show that and it is not a logical conclusion and his lawyer doesn't even say that. Can't you be objective??
 
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...t-thursday-ray-tensing-murder-trial/93199114/

Video breakdown

Less than three seconds are critical to both sides in the murder case against Ray Tensing. After Tensing tried to open Sam DuBose's car door and DuBose pulled it shut, DuBose restarted the car. Tensing said he reached in "to knock the key out and turn the key off." The numbers below are in seconds before Tensing shot DuBose.

2.266: Tensing's hand moves into the car

2.038: Tensing's hand reaching in front of steering wheel

1.744: Reflection of Tensing's legs on car door, standing away from vehicle

1.581: Car has still not moved

1.255: Tensing's left hand moving toward DuBose's seat belt and chest

1.222: Barrel of Tensing's gun enters view

0.928: Tensing yells "stop"

0.816: Gun coming up, Tensing's left hand at DuBose's chest

0.504: Tensing's left hand in contact with seat belt, DuBose left hand in air, right hand on steering wheel

0.276: Tensing's gun toward DuBose's head; Tensing's left hand grasping seat belt

0.178: Possible slight movement forward by DuBose's car

0.113: DuBose's left hand moving downward and away from the gun

0.015: Forward motion of the car

0.000: Audio indicates the fatal shot is fired
 
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