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GOP Rep. Goes From Anti-Vax On Fox News To Pro -Vax On CNN In One Day - YouTube
Republican Congresswoman Nancy Mace (R-SC) literally spoke from both sides of her mouth about Covid-19 on Sunday night cable news as she promoted “natural immunity” to the virus on @Fox News and then Zoom'd in to @CNN to encourage people to get vaccinated.
Was Sunday, Nov 28. NM wore the same shirt in both appearances.

Sam Seder and his fellow commentators Emma Vigeland and Nomiki Konst then had a big chortle at NM's remarkable flip-flop performance.
I watched the video, but I don't see where she said anything "anti-vax" on Fox News. She just talked about benefits of natural immunity...that doesn't mean you are against vaccination. Can you clarify?
When said on Fox news, it is speaking against vaccination. The bad faith is showing there.

The statements exist in a context you cannot ethically divorce them from.
 
The dentist I spoke of a few weeks ago is now on his third week of intensive care on a ventilator and is not expected to live.
 
I watched the video, but I don't see where she said anything "anti-vax" on Fox News. She just talked about benefits of natural immunity...that doesn't mean you are against vaccination. Can you clarify?
She's giving her supporters what they want to hear, both audiences. Not so mysterious considering she's a politician. I didn't watch the video so I cannot determine whether she answered any substantive questions with substantive answers. Is she taking a "both sides" position? If she is that is clearly anti-vax and anti-science. It's like not discussing that the earth is a sphere with a flat earther. Big woot.
From the Fox interview:

"In some studies that I have read natural immunity gives you 27 times more protection against future COVID infection than a vaccination. So we need to take all of the science into account and not selectively choosing what science to follow when we are making policy decisions."
The anti-vax part is saying natural immunity is sooo much better than any vaccination.

From CNN:
"and I've been a proponent of vaccinations and wearing masks when we need to when we had the Delta variant raging in South Carolina I wrote an op-ed to my community. And I worked with our state department of health. I run ads encouraging my district to go and get vaccinated. And when we have these variants and we have these spikes to take every precaution, from washing our hands to wearing the N95 or KN95 masks. More than the medical masks, there is a significant, statistically significant, number of people that are protected from COVID when they wear those masks"
No mention of masks when on Fox, no mention of the 'superiority' of natural immunity when on CNN.
It is not anti-vax to say natural immunity is better than vaccination. The other point is, is that the video appears to be selectively edited, as is common with news media who have a narrative to show. It would be nice to see the complete, unedited interviews from both Fox and CNN...then we can have a discussion.
 
"In some studies that I have read natural immunity gives you 27 times more protection against future COVID infection than a vaccination. So we need to take all of the science into account and not selectively choosing what science to follow when we are making policy decisions."
The anti-vax part is saying natural immunity is sooo much better than any vaccination.
From what I’ve heard this is a misrepresentation (whether purposeful or not) of a study stating something of a 27 PERCENT increase, not 27 TIMES.
That may be true. I've heard different stories on which is better (natural immunity or vaccination)...seems like it's something that should be settled by now.
 
I watched the video, but I don't see where she said anything "anti-vax" on Fox News. She just talked about benefits of natural immunity...that doesn't mean you are against vaccination. Can you clarify?
She's giving her supporters what they want to hear, both audiences. Not so mysterious considering she's a politician. I didn't watch the video so I cannot determine whether she answered any substantive questions with substantive answers. Is she taking a "both sides" position? If she is that is clearly anti-vax and anti-science. It's like not discussing that the earth is a sphere with a flat earther. Big woot.
From the Fox interview:

"In some studies that I have read natural immunity gives you 27 times more protection against future COVID infection than a vaccination. So we need to take all of the science into account and not selectively choosing what science to follow when we are making policy decisions."
The anti-vax part is saying natural immunity is sooo much better than any vaccination.

From CNN:
"and I've been a proponent of vaccinations and wearing masks when we need to when we had the Delta variant raging in South Carolina I wrote an op-ed to my community. And I worked with our state department of health. I run ads encouraging my district to go and get vaccinated. And when we have these variants and we have these spikes to take every precaution, from washing our hands to wearing the N95 or KN95 masks. More than the medical masks, there is a significant, statistically significant, number of people that are protected from COVID when they wear those masks"
No mention of masks when on Fox, no mention of the 'superiority' of natural immunity when on CNN.
It is not anti-vax to say natural immunity is better than vaccination.
The way Fox cut it does point that way. She is "encouraging" people to not get vaccinated because natural immunity is better (27 times! which there is absolutely no data to suggest a difference, forget put a number to it). So you can say she isn't being "anti-vax", but Fox sold it as such.
The other point is, is that the video appears to be selectively edited, as is common with news media who have a narrative to show. It would be nice to see the complete, unedited interviews from both Fox and CNN...then we can have a discussion.
Fox... bias? Get people killed? NO!!!! You don't say.
 
Molnupiravir got passed by a narrow 13-10 margin. The way that it works by making the virus have very faulty transcription seems like a way to make more variants, especially in people who don't take the full course.

Also, at least Merck will get their promised $1.2 billion contract fulfilled.

Hate to say it, seems like Pfizer's antiviral is a masterstroke in a good way.
 
Molnupiravir got passed by a narrow 13-10 margin. The way that it works by making the virus have very faulty transcription seems like a way to make more variants, especially in people who don't take the full course.

Also, at least Merck will get their promised $1.2 billion contract fulfilled.
Thanks for your studied opinion on the subject.
 
What the 14th Century Plague Tells Us About How Covid Will Change Politics - POLITICO - "Regions hit hardest by the Black Death in Europe looked more democratic centuries later. What does that mean for society coming out of this pandemic?"
Nearly 700 years ago, Europe experienced the single most devastating pandemic in recorded human history. Within a timespan of roughly four years (1347–1351), an outbreak of plague tread an awful path across most of the continent, claiming the lives of about half of the population. Economic activities like mining and metallurgy came to a complete stop. In some cases, villages constructed around marginal agricultural lands were entirely abandoned, to be reclaimed by the forests. Chroniclers at the time referred to the event as the “Great Mortality” — today we know it as the Black Death.

Yet the legacy of the Black Death goes well beyond human suffering. The unparalleled pandemic did not just devastate the population in the areas it hit the hardest; it killed off entire social and economic institutions — especially ones that had, up until that point, restricted human freedom and stifled prosperity.
Noting
Pandemics and Political Development | World Politics | Cambridge Core
with abstract
Do pandemics have lasting consequences for political behavior? The authors address this question by examining the consequences of the deadliest pandemic of the last millennium: the Black Death (1347–1351). They claim that pandemics can influence politics in the long run if the loss of life is high enough to increase the price of labor relative to other factors of production. When this occurs, labor-repressive regimes, such as serfdom, become untenable, which ultimately leads to the development of proto-democratic institutions and associated political cultures that shape modalities of political engagement for generations. The authors test their theory by tracing the consequences of the Black Death in German-speaking Central Europe. They find that areas hit hardest by that pandemic were more likely to adopt inclusive political institutions and equitable land ownership patterns, to exhibit electoral behavior indicating independence from landed elite influence during the transition to mass politics, and to have significantly lower vote shares for Hitler’s National Socialist Party in the Weimar Republic’s fateful 1930 and July 1932 elections.
Back to Politico.
How precisely did the Black Death have this kind of impact? Medieval medicine understood neither how the plague spread nor how it could be treated. Today we know that plague is primarily transmitted to humans by infected rat fleas, but doctors in the 14th century commonly attributed the disease to poison in the air. Easily treated by antibiotics today, treatments at the time consisted of ineffective and potentially damaging procedures such as bloodletting. If allowed to take its course, plague has extremely high mortality — roughly 60 percent-70 percent of afflicted individuals will succumb to the disease. So when the plague entered Europe via trading routes with Central Asia, the result was a calamity of unfathomable magnitude.

The effects of mass death on the economic fortunes of workers were profound. On the eve of the Black Death, Europe was characterized by feudalism, a hierarchical social and economic system with military aristocrats (and the clergy) at the top and a large mass of peasant laborers at the bottom. Because the economy was overwhelmingly agricultural, the elite’s capital was held almost exclusively as land. Peasants were tied to this land through a highly exploitative system of forced labor called serfdom, which demanded the uncompensated provision of labor and greatly restricted workers’ mobility.

The demographic collapse wrought by the Black Death was a fundamental shock to this system — at least it was in the areas where the toll of the plague was high. The basic laws of supply and demand explain why. In areas where the plague hit hard, it decimated the labor force. At the same time, the disease left the upper classes’ main capital asset, land, completely untouched. Thus, one factor of economic production, labor, suddenly became scarce and expensive, while the other, land, became abundant and cheap. The result was a massive increase in peasants’ bargaining power. Thus, workers were able to demand better working conditions, improve their access to land and, given the challenges elites faced in policing their movement, migrate to the cities. In the years immediately following the Black Death, serfdom collapsed and was replaced by a wage economy based on free labor.
Western Europe was very badly affected by the Yersinia plague, as I like to call it, and it became more democratic. By comparison, Eastern Europe stayed less democratic, with serfdom lasting longer. This was evident in the German-speaking areas, where the western parts became more democratic than the eastern parts.
We find that areas of Central Europe that experienced high mortality from the Black Death — leading to an early end for serfdom — developed more inclusive political institutions at the local level, such as the use of elections to select city councils. These changes initially resulted from shifts in the organization of agriculture. In areas where the Black Death hit hard, elites were forced to decentralize much of the everyday control over agricultural management to the peasants themselves. This created a local need for coordination, since agricultural production at the village-level could only be successful if peasants agreed on the crops to be harvested and the division of labor in the agricultural round. As a consequence of these early experiences with self-governance, peasant villages began to demand the right to elect their own officials. Over time, this led to wider and wider participation in collective self-governance at the local level. Such experiences fostered a lasting culture of civic engagement and cooperation that proved essential for safeguarding the freedoms of laborers from future attempts by elites to roll back the gains won in the wake of the Black Death.
 
Omicron has hit the US. A person in California who had recently traveled to S Africa has been diagnosed with it.
 
The authors then try to assess whether the COVID-19 pandemic is likely to have similar effects.
But will today’s Covid-19 pandemic lead to lasting social changes akin to those encountered in medieval Europe? While we are very skeptical that Covid will lead to changes that are as drastic or long lasting — as neither the destructive power of today’s pandemic nor the technological constraints on the economy are comparable — some of the dynamics of social change we are currently witnessing do resemble those observed in the wake of the Black Death.
They are skeptical because the current pandemic is not nearly as deadly as the Black Death, thus meaning that it has less far-reaching effects.
 
Omicron has hit the US. A person in California who had recently traveled to S Africa has been diagnosed with it.\

I heard that earlier today, but let's face it. It's probably been here for awhile and we just didn't know it yet. Before we freak out, we need a lot more information regarding how effective the current vaccine is against this strain, if it's really more contagious that Delta and is it more serious than many of the other strains. Hopefully, in a week or two, we will know if we need to freak out or not.

Happily, despite our vaccine rate only being about 50%, the cases in Georgia are still very low. There were 60 cases in my county of 69,000 people over the last two weeks. That's 60 cases that we know about. I assume there were more that were asymptomatic or so mild that no tests were performed. The weather is very mild this week in Ga. so maybe we will be okay for a little bit longer.
 
Agree firmly on the idea that we need more information before panicking.

There were 60 cases in my county of 69,000 people over the last two weeks. That's 60 cases that we know about. I assume there were more that were asymptomatic or so mild that no tests were performed.

Your county with 69,000 people is almost 3 times the size of my county, which has about 24,000 people. Our cases over the past two weeks are 68 active cases verified by testing; no telling how many other mild cases exist. Our vaccination rate is just one third of the population. The whole situation here is just plain depressing.

Ruth
 
Omicron has hit the US. A person in California who had recently traveled to S Africa has been diagnosed with it.

Yup. Was inevitable. Wondering that the contact tracing discovered about transmissible - if anything.
According to the report I saw, all his fellow travellers were tested negative. He had two vaxes but no booster. It seems incubation was seven days compared to Delta's four. And he had a mild case.
 
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Omicron found in Minnesota. It is popping up here and there. And we wait for it to battle Delta.

So, it is out there. Thankfully it wasn't (presumably) in Ann Arbor last weekend.
 

Buh bye, asshole.
His name was Lamb and he blindly followed right wing talking points? *chef's kiss*. The winner of the Herman Cain Award is going to be a difficult choice this season.

His name was Lamb and also he took sheep drench. But it wasn't taking ivermectin instead of a vaccine that is to blame for this outcome.


“There’s no doubt in my mind that this is a spiritual attack from the enemy,” Lamb’s son, Jonathan, said about his father’s COVID-19 illness on a Nov. 23 broadcast of the Ministry Now program. “As much as my parents have gone on here to kind of inform everyone about everything going on to the pandemic and some of the ways to treat COVID — there’s no doubt that the enemy is not happy about that. And he’s doing everything he can to take down my Dad.”

It was Satan. :devil2:
 
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