Yup. When the CDC was easing up I didn't because I figured a variant would blow up on us--and along came Delta. And the first looks at Omicron look much worse than Delta. It's not a descendant of Delta, all those morons who took the chance on natural immunity are liable to find it doesn't work anymore. On the other hand, I've seen estimates that tailored vaccines could be made in 100 days. Minor recoding of the target doesn't require full-blown testing like the original vaccine received. (And before people start screaming about this--it's the same with the flu vaccine. A minor change in the targeting gets a phase 1 trial, not the whole works.)
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Yup. When the CDC was easing up I didn't because I figured a variant would blow up on us--and along came Delta. And the first looks at Omicron look much worse than Delta. It's not a descendant of Delta, all those morons who took the chance on natural immunity are liable to find it doesn't work anymore. On the other hand, I've seen estimates that tailored vaccines could be made in 100 days. Minor recoding of the target doesn't require full-blown testing like the original vaccine received. (And before people start screaming about this--it's the same with the flu vaccine. A minor change in the targeting gets a phase 1 trial, not the whole works.)
And is running rampant through deer.
I would figure it came from the QOP.
Wouldn't make much difference to me--in such positions I'd be more afraid of the customers than the staff.
In practice--I'm not going to the office, period. I've been on site 3 times in now 7? years, I know they're not careful, there won't be a 4th time until this is over. (And there might never be a fourth time anyway.)
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What's QOP?
Angra Mainyu
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That might happen. Or it might happen the other way: maybe those with natural immunity will still have stronger immunity than those vaccinated (with viral vector or mRNA vaccines) because the new virus is similar enough to the old ones in parts that aren't the spike protein to give a reasonable amount of protection, but the spike protein is too different from those vaccinated with that kind of vaccines. Or maybe both will work. Or maybe Omicron would just not be lethal enough to be a serious threat. We do not really know at this point.Loren Pechtel said:
Of course, but it's a problem if the people who scream about it are in a position of power and can force the tests before deployment of the vaccine (well, it's a problem if Omicron turns out to be a serious problem; else, we got lucky. We'll have to wait and see). It was already bad enough that they went through all the tests before vaccination. As some pointed out before phase 3 trials, the vaccines would have saved many lives if deployed earlier. The expected value given the risks was much better. But we'll see. Maybe we'll get lucky and this thing will kill less or much less than previous variants.Loren Pechtel said:
barbos
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Omicron seems to be affecting young people predominantly and symptoms are just severe headache. No lungs problems, no temperature, no loss of sense of taste/smell.
Of course these are young people.
Of course these are young people.
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Anecdotal, limited source, from South Africa, but hopefully it continues pushing that way. The doctor also indicated that unvax'd were affected more. I fear that this being good news will weaken the WHO more because people will overstate what going VOC with Omicron meant.
barbos
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Well, technically it is consistent with theory. Viruses which start as deadly, evolve to become more infectious but less (immediately) deadly.
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ATLANTA, GA -- With at least a couple weeks until medical experts can begin parsing data collected since the debut of the Omicron variant, media companies will be struggling to stretch what miniscule information that exists now into articles.
The World Health Organization classified the latest variant, first detected in South Africa, as a "variant of concern" in light of the myriad of mutations it contains. The labeling provided nations and pharmaceutical companies the notification to begin hard research on the variant to determine whether this combination of mutations would be an issue for existing vaccines, as well as those with natural immunity.
However, with that data collection just beginning, there is virtually nothing media companies will be able to speak on until the data collection is completed and the numbers analyzed, leaving them powerless to actually report on this in such a way that won't be monotonous and repetitive and repetitive.
"There are only so many times you can say 'mutations on the spike protein'," indicated Sally Wetherfield, an editor with CNN.
The World Health Organization classified the latest variant, first detected in South Africa, as a "variant of concern" in light of the myriad of mutations it contains. The labeling provided nations and pharmaceutical companies the notification to begin hard research on the variant to determine whether this combination of mutations would be an issue for existing vaccines, as well as those with natural immunity.
However, with that data collection just beginning, there is virtually nothing media companies will be able to speak on until the data collection is completed and the numbers analyzed, leaving them powerless to actually report on this in such a way that won't be monotonous and repetitive and repetitive.
"There are only so many times you can say 'mutations on the spike protein'," indicated Sally Wetherfield, an editor with CNN.
barbos
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Their only hope is police shooting some black guy again.
GOP + Q
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GOP Rep. Goes From Anti-Vax On Fox News To Pro -Vax On CNN In One Day - YouTube
Sam Seder and his fellow commentators Emma Vigeland and Nomiki Konst then had a big chortle at NM's remarkable flip-flop performance.
Was Sunday, Nov 28. NM wore the same shirt in both appearances.
Sam Seder and his fellow commentators Emma Vigeland and Nomiki Konst then had a big chortle at NM's remarkable flip-flop performance.
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Wow, that twat has terrible taste in coats, hats.
At least he's making himself clear that he's a fucking twat.
thebeave
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I watched the video, but I don't see where she said anything "anti-vax" on Fox News. She just talked about benefits of natural immunity...that doesn't mean you are against vaccination. Can you clarify?
T.G.G. Moogly
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She's giving her supporters what they want to hear, both audiences. Not so mysterious considering she's a politician. I didn't watch the video so I cannot determine whether she answered any substantive questions with substantive answers. Is she taking a "both sides" position? If she is that is clearly anti-vax and anti-science. It's like not discussing that the earth is a sphere with a flat earther. Big woot.
marc
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From the Fox interview:
The anti-vax part is saying natural immunity is sooo much better than any vaccination.
From CNN:
No mention of masks when on Fox, no mention of the 'superiority' of natural immunity when on CNN.
Shadowy Man
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From what I’ve heard this is a misrepresentation (whether purposeful or not) of a study stating something of a 27 PERCENT increase, not 27 TIMES.