Covid-19 miscellany

[Loren Pechtel]

Humans giving a virus more reproductive rights than a working single mother, or insisting they suffer no inconvenience for posing a risk, flaunting their privilege as the beneficial inheritors of a thousand years of healthcare practices such that they assume they are blessed and invulnerable, not totally dependent on science....
They're making a clearly human choice to be a plague rat. So, we're underlining their humanity.
Of course this is the same readon humans get charged with war crimes, not tanks.

The problem is they are taking the protection of the unborn to an insane extreme. Not only do they favor protecting unborn fetuses over people, they favor protecting unborn viruses over people.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Humans giving a virus more reproductive rights than a working single mother, or insisting they suffer no inconvenience for posing a risk, flaunting their privilege as the beneficial inheritors of a thousand years of healthcare practices such that they assume they are blessed and invulnerable, not totally dependent on science....
They're making a clearly human choice to be a plague rat. So, we're underlining their humanity.
Of course this is the same readon humans get charged with war crimes, not tanks.

The problem is they are taking the protection of the unborn to an insane extreme. Not only do they favor protecting unborn fetuses over people, they favor protecting unborn viruses over people.

But not unborn worms, which is odd.

 

[repoman]

CDC study from January 19, 2022

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/pdfs/mm7104e1-H.pdf

What are you pointing to? That clearly shows that vaccinated people fare fare better than unvaccinated.

I told you before that I am not on a team, I am not trying to "win".

I have also said that the vaccine helps and so does previous, but dangerous, infection.

Just because some people may misuse this fact of post infection immunity ("natural immunity" is biased against vaccination, so I don't like the term) does not mean that this info should be glossed over or god forbid suppressed. Or in your case somehow dismissed from your mental RAM.

The act of glossing this over to protect the morons gives people an actual lie of omission to focus on and more reason to distrust the health authorities and the press.

 

[Jarhyn]

Previous, but dangerous, infection

...Weakens the body and damaged the brain forever. The previous infection did nothing special to help that the body wouldn't do otherwise (in this case the "other" of "otherwise" is vaccination)

 

[repoman]

Previous, but dangerous, infection

...Weakens the body and damaged the brain forever. The previous infection did nothing special to help that the body wouldn't do otherwise (in this case the "other" of "otherwise" is vaccination)

So people in the past in the U.S. and now in places without vaccines who got or are getting infected, DESPITE THE DAMAGE INCURRED, do seem to have better protection against the same variants as the vaccine.

Of course there is a question of asymptotic reduction. If the vaccine gives an 18 fold reduction in hospitalization but previous infection gives a 54 fold reduction, those numbers are awfully small anyways.

Maybe this is an issue not of the raw science, but in how it is spun by people.

 

[repoman]

Previous, but dangerous, infection

...Weakens the body and damaged the brain forever. The previous infection did nothing special to help that the body wouldn't do otherwise (in this case the "other" of "otherwise" is vaccination)

I think that medical scientists like Eric Topol calling for nasal vaccines and others wanting more proteins included, at least the nucleocapsid protein, would approximate what is special about a dangerous, "don't want to get it" infection.

Make the vaccine closer in form and delivery, nasal passages, to the virus to get better results. This is an area where we are not close to approaching an asymptote.

 

[TSwizzle]

The authoritarians are going to have to accept this pandemic is over;

Daily coronavirus cases, deaths and hospital admissions were all down today as the UK's fourth wave fell on every front — and figures suggest fatalities have peaked at just 255 per day. There were another 102,292 positive tests across the country in the past 24 hours, Government dashboard data shows, marking a 5 per cent decrease on last Wednesday. aily infections have been plateauing for the past week after coming down quickly from a peak of over 200,000 earlier this month, with rising cases in primary schools and people returning to work thought to be playing a role. Dr Raghib Ali, an epidemiologist at the University of Cambridge, argued it was 'irresponsible' to say deaths were still rising when 'more important date of death' data 'shows that deaths have peaked and are falling in the UK'.

Daily Mail

Or stay home.

Thanks to some questionable modelling — poorly presented and often misrepresented — it is true to say that never before has so much harm been done to so many by so few, based on so little, potentially flawed data. It is a national scandal. This is not just the fault of the modellers. It is how their work was interpreted by public health officials, by the media and, yes, by politicians and by government, too. Modelling and forecasts were the ammunition that drove lockdown and created a climate of manipulated fear which was despicable and unforgivable.

Daily Mail

Wales and Scotland start to pull back on covid restrictions.

Scottish First Minister Sturgeon bowed to pressure to axe working from home rules last night as she revealed a 'phased' return to the office for millions of Scots. She told MSPs the Scottish Government is updating its guidance to take effect from next Monday. Ms Sturgeon has said a requirement for two-metre physical distancing in settings where face coverings are exempt is being reduced to one metre.

Science !

 

[Jarhyn]

Previous, but dangerous, infection

...Weakens the body and damaged the brain forever. The previous infection did nothing special to help that the body wouldn't do otherwise (in this case the "other" of "otherwise" is vaccination)

I think that

...does nothing to help in the moment we have; such waiting just leads to lack of immunity and dangerous infections, which wealen the body and damage the brain forever. The imaginary vaccine that doesn't exist yet and isn't available does nothing at all to help that the body wouldn't do otherwise (in this case the "other" of "otherwise" is infection or vaccination)

 

[Elixir]

Make the vaccine closer in form and delivery, nasal passages, to the virus to get better results. This is an area where we are not close to approaching an asymptote.

I don't think there's anything that can be done to allay the irrational fear of an instant of pinprick pain that underlies so-called "hesitancy".
It's just glorified chickenshittery.

 

[ZiprHead]

That's certainly not over in my book. If I was god I would decree that everyone who prematurely says "It's over" has to spend a day watching in an ER.

Unmasked.

 

[Jarhyn]

That's certainly not over in my book. If I was god I would decree that everyone who prematurely says "It's over" has to spend a day watching in an ER.

Unmasked.

Hopefully not!

 

[ZiprHead]

That's certainly not over in my book. If I was god I would decree that everyone who prematurely says "It's over" has to spend a day watching in an ER.

Unmasked.

Hopefully not!

Well, TSwizzle thinks masks are useless. I'd like to see him test his conjecture in this situation.

 

[Keith&Co.]

That's certainly not over in my book. If I was god I would decree that everyone who prematurely says "It's over" has to spend a day watching in an ER.

Unmasked.

Hopefully not!

Sterilizing ER bays. Masked, gloved, hermetically sealed, fine by me. Just keeping a count of how much gear was employed per patient, whether they were vaccinated or unvaccinated when they came in.

 

[Jarhyn]

That's certainly not over in my book. If I was god I would decree that everyone who prematurely says "It's over" has to spend a day watching in an ER.

Unmasked.

Hopefully not!

Well, TSwizzle thinks masks are useless. I'd like to see him test his conjecture in this situation.

I would rather in the antivaxx camp that LP suggested, but whatever.

I don't want anyone spewing their unmasked vector air in an ER.

 

[ZiprHead]

The authoritarians are going to have to accept this pandemic is over;

Daily coronavirus cases, deaths and hospital admissions were all down today as the UK's fourth wave fell on every front — and figures suggest fatalities have peaked at just 255 per day. There were another 102,292 positive tests across the country in the past 24 hours, Government dashboard data shows, marking a 5 per cent decrease on last Wednesday. aily infections have been plateauing for the past week after coming down quickly from a peak of over 200,000 earlier this month, with rising cases in primary schools and people returning to work thought to be playing a role. Dr Raghib Ali, an epidemiologist at the University of Cambridge, argued it was 'irresponsible' to say deaths were still rising when 'more important date of death' data 'shows that deaths have peaked and are falling in the UK'.

Daily Mail

Or stay home.

Thanks to some questionable modelling — poorly presented and often misrepresented — it is true to say that never before has so much harm been done to so many by so few, based on so little, potentially flawed data. It is a national scandal. This is not just the fault of the modellers. It is how their work was interpreted by public health officials, by the media and, yes, by politicians and by government, too. Modelling and forecasts were the ammunition that drove lockdown and created a climate of manipulated fear which was despicable and unforgivable.

Daily Mail

Wales and Scotland start to pull back on covid restrictions.

Scottish First Minister Sturgeon bowed to pressure to axe working from home rules last night as she revealed a 'phased' return to the office for millions of Scots. She told MSPs the Scottish Government is updating its guidance to take effect from next Monday. Ms Sturgeon has said a requirement for two-metre physical distancing in settings where face coverings are exempt is being reduced to one metre.

Science !

But I was told those mandates were going to stay in effect forever so the left can "control the masses"!?!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The authoritarians are going to have to accept this pandemic is over;

Daily coronavirus cases, deaths and hospital admissions were all down today as the UK's fourth wave fell on every front — and figures suggest fatalities have peaked at just 255 per day. There were another 102,292 positive tests across the country in the past 24 hours, Government dashboard data shows, marking a 5 per cent decrease on last Wednesday. aily infections have been plateauing for the past week after coming down quickly from a peak of over 200,000 earlier this month, with rising cases in primary schools and people returning to work thought to be playing a role. Dr Raghib Ali, an epidemiologist at the University of Cambridge, argued it was 'irresponsible' to say deaths were still rising when 'more important date of death' data 'shows that deaths have peaked and are falling in the UK'.

Daily Mail

Or stay home.

Thanks to some questionable modelling — poorly presented and often misrepresented — it is true to say that never before has so much harm been done to so many by so few, based on so little, potentially flawed data. It is a national scandal. This is not just the fault of the modellers. It is how their work was interpreted by public health officials, by the media and, yes, by politicians and by government, too. Modelling and forecasts were the ammunition that drove lockdown and created a climate of manipulated fear which was despicable and unforgivable.

Daily Mail

Wales and Scotland start to pull back on covid restrictions.

Scottish First Minister Sturgeon bowed to pressure to axe working from home rules last night as she revealed a 'phased' return to the office for millions of Scots. She told MSPs the Scottish Government is updating its guidance to take effect from next Monday. Ms Sturgeon has said a requirement for two-metre physical distancing in settings where face coverings are exempt is being reduced to one metre.

Science !

But I was told those mandates were going to stay in effect forever so the left can "control the masses"!?!

[ctrl]THE MASSES[/ctrl]

Yup.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

I feel pretty safe personally having had covid and also being vaxed and boostered.

 

[TSwizzle]

More protests in Europe;

Tens of thousands of people have today gathered to protest Germany's Covid rules as other European nationals start dropping restrictions despite cases still going up. Demonstrators waved placards translating to 'this policy destroys us all' and 'live and let live' during a rally at the Koenigsplatz - a square in Munich - on Wednesday. One protester was seen holding a sign reading 'no compulsory vaccination', as the country's lawmakers debate whether to make the jab mandatory for all adults.
Meanwhile, the Netherlands has started lifting restrictions with bars, restaurants and theatres reopening today despite record infection levels.

Daily Mail

 

[crazyfingers]

More protests in Europe;

Tens of thousands of people have today gathered to protest Germany's Covid rules as other European nationals start dropping restrictions despite cases still going up. Demonstrators waved placards translating to 'this policy destroys us all' and 'live and let live' during a rally at the Koenigsplatz - a square in Munich - on Wednesday. One protester was seen holding a sign reading 'no compulsory vaccination', as the country's lawmakers debate whether to make the jab mandatory for all adults.
Meanwhile, the Netherlands has started lifting restrictions with bars, restaurants and theatres reopening today despite record infection levels.

Daily Mail

Thanks for pointing out that not all stupid anti-vaxers, anti-maskers and selfish gits are in the US.

 

[Gun Nut]

The authoritarians are going to have to accept this pandemic is over;

Daily coronavirus cases, deaths and hospital admissions were all down today as the UK's fourth wave fell on every front — and figures suggest fatalities have peaked at just 255 per day. There were another 102,292 positive tests across the country in the past 24 hours, Government dashboard data shows, marking a 5 per cent decrease on last Wednesday. aily infections have been plateauing for the past week after coming down quickly from a peak of over 200,000 earlier this month, with rising cases in primary schools and people returning to work thought to be playing a role. Dr Raghib Ali, an epidemiologist at the University of Cambridge, argued it was 'irresponsible' to say deaths were still rising when 'more important date of death' data 'shows that deaths have peaked and are falling in the UK'.

Daily Mail

Or stay home.

Thanks to some questionable modelling — poorly presented and often misrepresented — it is true to say that never before has so much harm been done to so many by so few, based on so little, potentially flawed data. It is a national scandal. This is not just the fault of the modellers. It is how their work was interpreted by public health officials, by the media and, yes, by politicians and by government, too. Modelling and forecasts were the ammunition that drove lockdown and created a climate of manipulated fear which was despicable and unforgivable.

Daily Mail

Wales and Scotland start to pull back on covid restrictions.

Scottish First Minister Sturgeon bowed to pressure to axe working from home rules last night as she revealed a 'phased' return to the office for millions of Scots. She told MSPs the Scottish Government is updating its guidance to take effect from next Monday. Ms Sturgeon has said a requirement for two-metre physical distancing in settings where face coverings are exempt is being reduced to one metre.

Science !

The UK stands for "United Kingdom".. I know it looks a lot alike, but the people everyone here is talking about live in the US, which stands for "United States".