Covid-19 miscellany

[Elixir]

Good find!

Credit to TSwizzle - (s)he provided the link from which FOX Nooz mines its nuggets of disinformation.

 

[TomC]

I'm opposed to a government mandate for vaccination. I'm vaccinated. I want enough people to get vaccinated to reach herd immunity.

I don't want a government mandated vaccination. Because I believe the side effects would be worse than the many other possible options.

Do you realize how bonkers this sounds? It's not like you get a differant vaccine if it's mandated.

Do you realize how bonkers this sounds?

Perhaps you don't remember what I posted, a few times, concerning side effects. Maybe, you just don't read IIDB posts you prefer not to understand. I don't know why you posted this.
Feel free to elaborate and clarify.
Tom

 

[TomC]

I'm opposed to a government mandate for vaccination. I'm vaccinated. I want enough people to get vaccinated to reach herd immunity.

I don't want a government mandated vaccination. Because I believe the side effects would be worse than the many other possible options.

Do you realize how bonkers this sounds? It's not like you get a differant vaccine if it's mandated.

I could be wrong but I'm guessing that he means social side effects such as right-wingers taking up arms against local health officials and such. He may not mean vaccine side effects.

I disagree. But that's how I read that after considering it a bit.

Yep.
I've posted about this before.
I'm very concerned that a federally mandated vaccination will result in a big Republican majority come fall and a Trumpista president in 2024.
If not before.
Tom

 

[Elixir]

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I recall reading about that dynamic when the pandemic began (when Cheato was still calling it "one person from China").
Thanks for bringing it up again, repo. Maybe my dream of a super-deadly, super contagious variant isn't dead yet.
/sarcasm

 

[crazyfingers]

I'm opposed to a government mandate for vaccination. I'm vaccinated. I want enough people to get vaccinated to reach herd immunity.

I don't want a government mandated vaccination. Because I believe the side effects would be worse than the many other possible options.

Do you realize how bonkers this sounds? It's not like you get a differant vaccine if it's mandated.

I could be wrong but I'm guessing that he means social side effects such as right-wingers taking up arms against local health officials and such. He may not mean vaccine side effects.

I disagree. But that's how I read that after considering it a bit.

Yep.
I've posted about this before.
I'm very concerned that a federally mandated vaccination will result in a big Republican majority come fall and a Trumpista president in 2024.
If not before.
Tom

That would suck. Republicans are a minority. But they could win by voter suppression and Gerrymandering.

 

[TomC]

That would suck. Republicans are a minority. But they could win by voter suppression and Gerrymandering.

Nevertheless,
handing them the heavy political weaponry of a mandate would be a side effect of imposing it.
Like it or not, the U.S. electorate doesn't really follow through on nuanced, researched, voting inclinations.

Do I have to provide citations to support this opinion?
Tom

 

[crazyfingers]

That would suck. Republicans are a minority. But they could win by voter suppression and Gerrymandering.

Nevertheless,
handing them the heavy political weaponry of a mandate would be a side effect of imposing it.
Like it or not, the U.S. electorate doesn't really follow through on nuanced, researched, voting inclinations.

Do I have to provide citations to support this opinion?
Tom

Not interested in an argument.

 

[TSwizzle]

Trudeau, a virtue signaling horse’s ass.

 

[TomC]

That would suck. Republicans are a minority. But they could win by voter suppression and Gerrymandering.

Nevertheless,
handing them the heavy political weaponry of a mandate would be a side effect of imposing it.
Like it or not, the U.S. electorate doesn't really follow through on nuanced, researched, voting inclinations.

Do I have to provide citations to support this opinion?
Tom

Not interested in an argument.

What do we disagree about?
Tom

 

[Trausti]

Trudeau, a virtue signaling horse’s ass.

Castro’s son is just following in his father’s footsteps.

 

[ZiprHead]

Trudeau, a virtue signaling horse’s ass.

So you're defending nazi flag wavers, people that attacked others at a homeless shelter, harassed people a food bank, and caused gridlock across the entire city.

 

[TomC]

Trudeau, a virtue signaling horse’s ass.

I think the Canadian government should just suspend the Canadian equivalent of a CDL license if a licensed driver stops their truck on a public road.
No force required. No infringement on anybody's liberty. People who infringe on other people's freedom and safety just lose the privilege of operating their weaponized vehicle on publicly funded roads.
Tom

 

[crazyfingers]

That would suck. Republicans are a minority. But they could win by voter suppression and Gerrymandering.

Nevertheless,
handing them the heavy political weaponry of a mandate would be a side effect of imposing it.
Like it or not, the U.S. electorate doesn't really follow through on nuanced, researched, voting inclinations.

Do I have to provide citations to support this opinion?
Tom

Not interested in an argument.

What do we disagree about?
Tom

Not worth looking for support. You or me. It's an opinion,.

 

[TomC]

That would suck. Republicans are a minority. But they could win by voter suppression and Gerrymandering.

Nevertheless,
handing them the heavy political weaponry of a mandate would be a side effect of imposing it.
Like it or not, the U.S. electorate doesn't really follow through on nuanced, researched, voting inclinations.

Do I have to provide citations to support this opinion?
Tom

Not interested in an argument.

What do we disagree about?
Tom

Not worth looking for support. You or me. It's an opinion,.

Another opinion is "I don't want a president more fascist than Trump, and also smarter, more ruthless, better prepared, with better support on Capitol Hill and state legislatures across the country."
But yeah. That's just my opinion.
Tom

 

[Metaphor]

Do you? Have you spoken to every person participating in the convoy?

No. I imagine there is a diversity of views and I suspect there is a diversity of vaccination statuses.

 

[Metaphor]

Future waves OF OMICRON will be less and will have lower total deaths.

If the plague rats are numerous enough, there will be yet another variant.
Your projection, btw, doesn't seem to be panning out. Here in the US, we've had over 100,000 Omicron deaths in less than two months.
Delta deaths were as low as 258/day (7-day avg) when your "blessing" appeared.
Now we are at nearly ten times that death rate.
Can you guarantee that we won't see another spike like that after omicron goes away?
No?
Why Not?
Let me help you out:

PLAGUE RATS

Yeah, I realise you are fond of dehumanisation. You don't need to keep furnishing evidence.

 

[Metaphor]

I'm opposed to a government mandate for vaccination. I'm vaccinated. I want enough people to get vaccinated to reach herd immunity.

I don't want a government mandated vaccination. Because I believe the side effects would be worse than the many other possible options.

Do you realize how bonkers this sounds? It's not like you get a differant vaccine if it's mandated.

TomC, and he can correct me if I'm wrong, was clearly talking about the social side effects of a mandated vaccine (economists might say unintended consequences, military people might say 'collateral damage'), not side effects of a particular drug on an organism in a medical sense.

 

[ZiprHead]

I'm opposed to a government mandate for vaccination. I'm vaccinated. I want enough people to get vaccinated to reach herd immunity.

I don't want a government mandated vaccination. Because I believe the side effects would be worse than the many other possible options.

Do you realize how bonkers this sounds? It's not like you get a differant vaccine if it's mandated.

TomC, and he can correct me if I'm wrong, was clearly talking about the social side effects of a mandated vaccine (economists might say unintended consequences, military people might say 'collateral damage'), not side effects of a particular drug on an organism in a medical sense.

Yes, I misunderstood Tom at first glance. My apologies, Tom.

 

[lpetrich]

Deaths Exceeded Births in a Record Number of States in 2020 | Carsey School of Public Policy | UNH

In 2020, the impact of COVID-19 contributed to a record 3,376,000 deaths in the United States: 18 percent more than in 2019. In addition, births diminished by 4 percent to 3,605,000 in 2020. Because U.S. population growth depends on a surplus of births over deaths, this slowed U.S. population growth in 2020. The surplus of births over deaths added just 229,000 to the population in 2020 compared to 892,000 in 2019: a decline of 74 percent. This decline coupled with diminished immigration produced the United States’ smallest annual percentage population gain in at least 100 years.

So the COVID-19 pandemic was very real, much more than what COVID-19 deniers sometimes seem to think. I note that these are often the same people who call it the "China virus", as if China's leaders are somehow to blame for it. But if it's not much worse than the common cold, then China's leaders are not to blame for anything horrible about it.

 

[Toni]

Yeah, that is just lazy reading on your part.

No it isn't.
I'm opposed to a government mandate for vaccination. I'm vaccinated. I want enough people to get vaccinated to reach herd immunity.

I don't want a government mandated vaccination. Because I believe the side effects would be worse than the many other possible options.
Tom

So two years+ isn’t a long enough pandemic for you.