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THERE IS NO VACCINE MANDATE FOR ALMOST ALL PEOPLE IN NORTH AMERICA!

Currently it is workers where spread is an issue, health care and people who can help transmit the virus across national borders. And this isn't about a "mandate", it is about just about every mitigation effort for dealing with the pandemic, masks, distancing, public events, etc...
The virus doesn't stop at national borders because it respects international covenants.

I don't doubt that many in the convoy oppose all measures, but the fact that they oppose a vaccine mandate (a medical procedure performed on them without their consent, solely for the benefit of others) would be sufficient for them to be hated and reviled by some.
The vaccine is ‘not solely for the benefit of others.’ The recipient of the vaccine receives a tremendous amount of protection against a serious and sometimes deadly disease.

No matter what they believe.
 
The vaccine is ‘not solely for the benefit of others.’
Explaining this a zillion times and still having people repeat the nonsense gets really frustrating.

Herd immunity will benefit everyone, hugely. Vaccination, however imperfect, is our best shot at achieving herd immunity.

Anybody arguing against vaccination is arguing in favor of continued social and economic and political problems. I really dislike the concept of government mandated vaccination. But the people who are pushing society towards that are the plague rats questioning the usefulness of vaccines, not the people who recognize their value.
Tom
 
The vaccine is ‘not solely for the benefit of others.’
Explaining this a zillion times and still having people repeat the nonsense gets really frustrating.

Herd immunity will benefit everyone, hugely. Vaccination, however imperfect, is our best shot at achieving herd immunity.

Anybody arguing against vaccination is arguing in favor of continued social and economic and political problems. I really dislike the concept of government mandated vaccination. But the people who are pushing society towards that are the plague rats questioning the usefulness of vaccines, not the people who recognize their value.
Tom
I’m pretty sleep deprived at the moment so please forgive my confusion and honest question:

Are you arguing with me or backing me up?
 
The vaccine is ‘not solely for the benefit of others.’ The recipient of the vaccine receives a tremendous amount of protection against a serious and sometimes deadly disease.

No matter what they believe.
Of course it is solely for the benefit of others. That is how the pro vaccine mandate people justify it: you are a plague rat and you have no right to be a vector of disease in the community.

The people who have not had a vaccine shot in America (or almost anywhere else in the world except perhaps India which I think was charging citizens for it) have decided they are better off without the vaccine. Their feelings of being better off without the vaccine are more important to them than the protection the vaccine offers. That's why if you force that medical procedure on them, it is solely for other people's benefit, not theirs.
 
Of course it is solely for the benefit of others.
No, it's not.

Herd immunity is for the benefit of us all. Vaccination is the best way to get to herd immunity. Vaccination is for the benefit of all members of society.
Tom
 
No, it's not.

Herd immunity is for the benefit of us all. Vaccination is the best way to get to herd immunity. Vaccination is for the benefit of all members of society.
Tom
It is solely for the benefit of other people. Protection against COVID is of course a benefit to the person who was forced to get the vaccine, but overall it's a net loss to them. They valued not getting the vaccine (for whatever reason) more than getting it. That's why they didn't get it.
 
No, it's not.

Herd immunity is for the benefit of us all. Vaccination is the best way to get to herd immunity. Vaccination is for the benefit of all members of society.
Tom
It is solely for the benefit of other people. Protection against COVID is of course a benefit to the person who was forced to get the vaccine, but overall it's a net loss to them. They valued not getting the vaccine (for whatever reason) more than getting it. That's why they didn't get it.

Such people may be called selfish pieces O shit.
 
No, it's not.

Herd immunity is for the benefit of us all. Vaccination is the best way to get to herd immunity. Vaccination is for the benefit of all members of society.
Tom
It is solely for the benefit of other people. Protection against COVID is of course a benefit to the person who was forced to get the vaccine, but overall it's a net loss to them. They valued not getting the vaccine (for whatever reason) more than getting it. That's why they didn't get it.
And the homeopathy woo mother who feeds their kid very slightly poisoned sugar pills value not putting "chemicals" in their children's bodies and in their own. That's why they don't put the "chemicals" in their bodies.

They are still abusing their children and killing themselves and making us all foot the bill for it as they do it.
 
They are still abusing their children and killing themselves and making us all foot the bill for it as they do it.
I have said many times society has the right to make decisions for children that it does not have for adults.

I think vegans are slowly killing themselves but I don't tell people what to eat.
 
They are still abusing their children and killing themselves and making us all foot the bill for it as they do it.
I have said many times society has the right to make decisions for children that it does not have for adults.

I think vegans are slowly killing themselves but I don't tell people what to eat.
The difference here is that dying from cancer because you won't take chemo is not contagious.
 
No, it's not.

Herd immunity is for the benefit of us all. Vaccination is the best way to get to herd immunity. Vaccination is for the benefit of all members of society.
Tom
It is solely for the benefit of other people. Protection against COVID is of course a benefit to the person who was forced to get the vaccine, but overall it's a net loss to them. They valued not getting the vaccine (for whatever reason) more than getting it. That's why they didn't get it.
Certainly not dying is much more valuable than getting a few needlesticks.
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They are still abusing their children and killing themselves and making us all foot the bill for it as they do it.
I have said many times society has the right to make decisions for children that it does not have for adults.

I think vegans are slowly killing themselves but I don't tell people what to eat.
I understand that you are saying that society doesn’t have the right to make decisions for other people by forcing them to be vaccinated.

I would like to offer this:

By refusing to be vaccinated, the unvaccinated are forcing the rest of us to live with a preventable risk to our health, our livelihoods, our enjoyment of our lives, friends, family and a preventable risk to our very lives.

Those opposing vaccine mandates are perfectly happy forcing everyone to live with their choices—which includes the following risks to children, who I think we all agree are absolute innocents in all of this.

This is what willfully unvaccinated people are more than willing to do to children:

1. Risk to their lives. While children are less likely to die of COVID, some children do die. This includes children with known underlying health conditions and children who are perfectly healthy prior to infection.

2. Risk to their short term health and unknown risks to their long term health. Again, children are less likely to become seriously ill with COVID but they are not immune to illness severe enough to require hospitalization. Because this virus is relatively new, we don’t know how long effects will last or how severe they will be or how they will affect learning, behavior and other issues. Children have many more years of life ahead of them compared with senior citizens. That’s more time to potentially live with and develop more serious long term side effects.

3. Loss of economic security as their families have jobs and income affected. This also has deleterious effects on society and acts as a destabilizer.

4. Less stability in their families. As parents and grandparents become ill, as families struggle to maintain income stability family structure is more likely to be stressed abs even fail.

5. Serious negative impacts on their education—which affects all children but children of lower income families most of all. These families are more likely to be unable to help their children with remote learning or uncertainty and lack of continuity of education.

6. Serious negative impacts on children’s social and emotional development. How will this affect children in their adolescence, adulthood? How will this affect society as a whole? We have some ideas of the deleterious effects by looking at adults who experienced childhoods during times of war or The Great Depression.

I’m sure I’m missing some.

I’m really struggling to see vaccine mandates as being more harmful than allowing people to risk infection fir themselves and fir anyone who comes into contact with them or with their contacts or their clients tacts’ck tact’s and so on. Anyone ever have to do contact tracing for exposure to say, an STI? It’s very eye opening to see the impact of one infected individual. This is much more contagious and much harder to avoid than any STI.

In the past when we’ve been faced with serious and highly contagious respiratory illnesses, we have isolated those who were infected—think TB. I was screened every year because a lab in my building sometimes had samples from people infected with TB.

So tell me again about how we are harming the rights of adults. Who are willing to destroy the lives of children for their freedumb.

I think society means balancing individual rights with the rights of everyone.
 
In the past when we’ve been faced with serious and highly contagious respiratory illnesses, we have isolated those who were infected—think TB. I was screened every year because a lab in my building sometimes had samples from people infected with TB.
Ugh. I've corrected you on this before, yet you persist with this [removed] analogy. You isolated those who were infected, for the duration of the infection. You didn't put people under permanent house arrest for not having a TB vaccine.

I have never suggested that people who have COVID should not be isolated.
So tell me again about how we are harming the rights of adults. Who are willing to destroy the lives of children for their freedumb.
I've told you a million times and your 'won't somebody think of the children' routine and childish misspellings are not as persuasive as you appear to believe.
allowing people to risk infection fir themselves and fir anyone
Why do you constantly misspell 'for'? Is there some reason I've not been let in on?
 
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I have never suggested that people who have COVID should not be isolated.
And yet you somehow manage to stop short of saying they should be, either.

It's almost like you regularly make great long-winded attempts to say nothing at all rather than say anything at all except "pbblrtttttt" as you shit on the floor.
 
In the past when we’ve been faced with serious and highly contagious respiratory illnesses, we have isolated those who were infected—think TB. I was screened every year because a lab in my building sometimes had samples from people infected with TB.
Ugh. I've corrected you on this before, yet you persist with this [removed] analogy. You isolated those who were infected, for the duration of the infection. You didn't put people under permanent house arrest for not having a TB vaccine.

I have never suggested that people who have COVID should not be isolated.
So tell me again about how we are harming the rights of adults. Who are willing to destroy the lives of children for their freedumb.
I've told you a million times and your 'won't somebody think of the children' routine and childish misspellings are not as persuasive as you appear to believe.
allowing people to risk infection fir themselves and fir anyone
Why do you constantly misspell 'for'? Is there some reason I've not been let in on?
I’m a terrible typist. It’s worse if I’m on my phone. The I and the O are next to each other. I don’t always catch my typos but I try.

We have definitely isolated people who were asymptomatic but infected with TB.

People can and do spend COVID when they unknowingly have asymptomatic infections. I suspect some do it even if they know they are sick.

I do realize that there are a lot of people who do not give a shit about children. I see every day how society fails to adequately provide for children, allows the neglect, abuse and sexual abuse, exploitation and rape of children.

I don’t agree that so called adults have a right to selfishly ignore the protection and care of children.

I’m not nearly as powerful as you seem to imagine. I’ve isolated my own children when they were contagious AND were children. My powers have never extended beyond that.

Hell I’m not even a decent typist. Without the random incorrect corrections my phone or computer makes.

Why would I take 'correction' from someone who is not only incorrect but has consistently demonstrated his inability to care about the welfare of other people?
 
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I've corrected you on this before, yet you persist with this [removed] analogy. You isolated those who were infected, for the duration of the infection.

I've corrected you on this before.

There's no way to tell who's infected and who is not. Here in the modern world, we recognize that asymptomatic carriers exist.

Yet, like another dishonest analogy or two, you keep repeating this. It isn't possible to isolate everyone who is infected and only the people who are infected.
The information is easy to find. Even I can understand it. I'm no epidemiology expert. But I understand concepts like herd immunity, asymptomatic carriers, and indirect consequences. It's just not that difficult, if your goal is to make moral choices. If your goal is to protect your ideological purity, science won't be much help.
Tom
 
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And yet you somehow manage to stop short of saying they should be, either.
Gospa moja, one absurdity doth tread upon another's heels, so fast they follow. I have said before that people with infectious diseases should be isolated until they are no longer infectious.

It's almost like you regularly make great long-winded attempts to say nothing at all rather than say anything at all except "pbblrtttttt" as you shit on the floor.
Your scat fetish? Keep it to yourself.
 
And yet you somehow manage to stop short of saying they should be, either.
Gospa moja, one absurdity doth tread upon another's heels, so fast they follow. I have said before that people with infectious diseases should be isolated until they are no longer infectious.
So you agree, then, with a frequent testing mandate and isolation requirements for everyone who will not vaccinate?
 
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