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They can't run their high level gypsy-like cons unless they are a minority. There is no benefit to make everyone Jewish. A parasite needs a large host population.

I wonder if you're aware of just how hard people like you make it for people like me to argue that we shouldn't have ties to the nation-state of Israel when I end up getting lumped in the same pot as people who have a problem with Jews as a demographic.
 
I did noy say ancient Jews were not warlike and aggressive.

Then perhaps you’ll remember that the Idumeans were forcibly converted.


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You may have me on that' still does not equate modern Jews with nazis.

Ethnicity and religion are always exclusionary.Italians were always a bit insular as well as Asians.

When I was a kid in the 50s the nephew of amy grandmother, Irish Catholic family, married a protestant. I did not understand it at the time but is was a big deal in the family.

Unless you believe in a global Jewish conspiracy run by a secret cabal in Israel and the other nonsense, you are hard pressed to differentiate Jews from any other ethnicity. Turkish nationalists created Turkey, and have had issues with Kurds. Basque separatists and the current separatist issue in Spain. Northern Ireland.
 
I did noy say ancient Jews were not warlike and aggressive.

Then perhaps you’ll remember that the Idumeans were forcibly converted.


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You may have me on that' still does not equate modern Jews with nazis.

Ethnicity and religion are always exclusionary.Italians were always a bit insular as well as Asians.

When I was a kid in the 50s the nephew of amy grandmother, Irish Catholic family, married a protestant. I did not understand it at the time but is was a big deal in the family.

Unless you believe in a global Jewish conspiracy run by a secret cabal in Israel and the other nonsense, you are hard pressed to differentiate Jews from any other ethnicity. Turkish nationalists created Turkey, and have had issues with Kurds. Basque separatists and the current separatist issue in Spain. Northern Ireland.

Well, you seemed to be trying to differentiate Jews from other religions with your untrue assertion. When they last had the power, admittedly long ago, they very much behaved as other religions have and do.

As far as evil goes, I would say Israel, as opposed to Jews, is about at the apartheid South Africa level of evilness. They have a ways to go to achieve naziness.
 
You may have me on that' still does not equate modern Jews with nazis.

Ethnicity and religion are always exclusionary.Italians were always a bit insular as well as Asians.

When I was a kid in the 50s the nephew of amy grandmother, Irish Catholic family, married a protestant. I did not understand it at the time but is was a big deal in the family.

Unless you believe in a global Jewish conspiracy run by a secret cabal in Israel and the other nonsense, you are hard pressed to differentiate Jews from any other ethnicity. Turkish nationalists created Turkey, and have had issues with Kurds. Basque separatists and the current separatist issue in Spain. Northern Ireland.

Well, you seemed to be trying to differentiate Jews from other religions with your untrue assertion. When they last had the power, admittedly long ago, they very much behaved as other religions have and do.

As far as evil goes, I would say Israel, as opposed to Jews, is about at the apartheid South Africa level of evilness. They have a ways to go to achieve naziness.

Did you know that obscure biblical reference off the top of your head or did you google it?I gave my position. Make a clear statement of position.

If alls you are going to is snipe don't waste my time.
 
They can't run their high level gypsy-like cons unless they are a minority. There is no benefit to make everyone Jewish. A parasite needs a large host population.

I wonder if you're aware of just how hard people like you make it for people like me to argue that we shouldn't have ties to the nation-state of Israel when I end up getting lumped in the same pot as people who have a problem with Jews as a demographic.
Yeah I agree. I’m against the US supporting Israel, e.g. We have no business supporting a state that is based on some misguided religion ideals. And the idea of Israel as a safe place for the Jewish people is an unrealistic fantasy.
That being said, I have no animosity towards Jewish people in general. e.g. If they decided to dissolve the state of Israel, I would support the idea of inviting them here as refugees, and then as US citizens.
Repoman’s post is so over-the-top antisemitic that at first I thought he was joking
 
Yup, it turns out that all that funny, ironic racism was just plain old racism. You should see what he posts in the 'images that make you laugh' thread.
 
I’m against the US supporting Israel, e.g. We have no business supporting a state that is based on some misguided religion ideals.

Oh yeah? You'll be living in one very soon if the trump junta has its way.
 
You may have me on that' still does not equate modern Jews with nazis.

Ethnicity and religion are always exclusionary.Italians were always a bit insular as well as Asians.

When I was a kid in the 50s the nephew of amy grandmother, Irish Catholic family, married a protestant. I did not understand it at the time but is was a big deal in the family.

Unless you believe in a global Jewish conspiracy run by a secret cabal in Israel and the other nonsense, you are hard pressed to differentiate Jews from any other ethnicity. Turkish nationalists created Turkey, and have had issues with Kurds. Basque separatists and the current separatist issue in Spain. Northern Ireland.

Well, you seemed to be trying to differentiate Jews from other religions with your untrue assertion. When they last had the power, admittedly long ago, they very much behaved as other religions have and do.

As far as evil goes, I would say Israel, as opposed to Jews, is about at the apartheid South Africa level of evilness. They have a ways to go to achieve naziness.

Did you know that obscure biblical reference off the top of your head or did you google it?I gave my position. Make a clear statement of position.

If alls you are going to is snipe don't waste my time.

Memory/and - I had to google the details. Somewhere in my biblical readings, I ran across the revolt of the Maccabees against the Greeks and the subsequent period of Hasmonean expansion with it's forced conversions. It's also relevant to Jesus, because Galilee was conquered during the same period. So Jesus was something of an outsider, as Galileans were considered quasi foreigners. To some that's a significant theological consideration in the whole Jewish law/Christian faith dichotomy.

I would say that correcting a statement that elevates an religion's morality above all others is more than a snipe, but to each his own.

As far as Jews and Nazis goes, I think my statement was pretty clear. The video was a bunch of shite, I couldn't finish it. I think the Nazis were more influenced by the white supremacy ideas originating in the US during the late 19th century than Judaism.

And lastly, IMO only you can waste your time here. If you think I'm wasting your time, that's your problem.
 
I found this online and found it interesting: http://www.rense.com/general30/schol.htm
Interesting? It's garbage.

Chasing up the source of the article linked to in the opening post I discovered the site is run by Jeff Rense. From the Wikipedia:
Jeffry Shearer Rense is an American radio talk-show host calling himself "an American treasure". His show, the Jeff Rense Program, publishes various conspiracy theories, and was formerly broadcast via satellite radio, which remains archived online.

Rense's radio program and website promote views such as 9/11 conspiracy theories,[4] UFO reporting, paranormal phenomena, creation of diseases, chemtrails, evidence of advanced ancient technology, emergent energy technologies, and alternative medicine.

Rense's writings and website have been deemed anti-semitic by the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center.

...

The show was originally distributed by Premiere Radio Networks but was dropped in the late 1990s due to being banned in Europe as deemed being hate speech. Talk Radio Network then carried the show through the early 2000s. Genesis Communications Network next took over distribution and carried the show through August 2009 when Rense pulled the show from the network, accusing fellow GCN host Alex Jones of threatening his family.

...

Recurring themes on Jeff Rense Program are a mistrust of the establishment and theorizing about who was behind the September 11 attacks. Regular guests include conspiracy theorists, geopolitical experts, and ufologists. Notable guests have included Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, The Political Cesspool's host James Edwards, paranormal expert Brad Steiger, the English former footballer and television presenter David Icke, South African journalist Jani Allan, David Duke, and Harry Cooper who accompanies Rense on his annual Hitler's Birthday celebration show every year in April.
 
You may have me on that' still does not equate modern Jews with nazis.

Ethnicity and religion are always exclusionary.Italians were always a bit insular as well as Asians.

When I was a kid in the 50s the nephew of amy grandmother, Irish Catholic family, married a protestant. I did not understand it at the time but is was a big deal in the family.

Unless you believe in a global Jewish conspiracy run by a secret cabal in Israel and the other nonsense, you are hard pressed to differentiate Jews from any other ethnicity. Turkish nationalists created Turkey, and have had issues with Kurds. Basque separatists and the current separatist issue in Spain. Northern Ireland.

Well, you seemed to be trying to differentiate Jews from other religions with your untrue assertion. When they last had the power, admittedly long ago, they very much behaved as other religions have and do.

As far as evil goes, I would say Israel, as opposed to Jews, is about at the apartheid South Africa level of evilness. They have a ways to go to achieve naziness.

No, I am saying Jewish nationalism AKA Zionism, Turkish nationalism that created Turkey and all the factions and ethnicities worldwide that want independence and ethnic purity without compromise are not unique. If you claim Jews = Nazis you then have to show Jews different from many other ethnicities Current in the news, Buddhist Myanmar expelling and oppressing Muslims. The list is long. Muslims are being slaughtered in Myanmar..

There are certainly issues with Israel. That being said, anyone who equates modern Jews with Nazis is displaying a deep and utter ignorance the history of the Nazi regime.

From what I have seen in Israeli media Israel is a tolerant western style system within its borders. A high degree of tolerance. Over here we only here the current right wing govt. There is opposition to settlements.

Before the first intifada Palestinians had markets in Israel.

Egypt had control of Gaza and closed the border. Palestinians and Jordan fought a civil war. Hamas and Fatah fought a civil war. The wealthy Arabs pay lip service but treat the Palestinians like regional trash. Your invoking South Africa is simplistic and ignorant of a complex situation and history. While Israel has some blame, the plight of the Palestinians is based on centuries old religious, clan, and ethnic issues. Lebanon was destroyed by regional factionalism not related to Israel.
 
No, I am saying Jewish nationalism AKA Zionism, Turkish nationalism that created Turkey and all the factions and ethnicities worldwide that want independence and ethnic purity without compromise are not unique. If you claim Jews = Nazis you then have to show Jews different from many other ethnicities Current in the news, Buddhist Myanmar expelling and oppressing Muslims. The list is long. Muslims are being slaughtered in Myanmar..

There are certainly issues with Israel. That being said, anyone who equates modern Jews with Nazis is displaying a deep and utter ignorance the history of the Nazi regime.

From what I have seen in Israeli media Israel is a tolerant western style system within its borders. A high degree of tolerance. Over here we only here the current right wing govt. There is opposition to settlements.

Before the first intifada Palestinians had markets in Israel.

Egypt had control of Gaza and closed the border. Palestinians and Jordan fought a civil war. Hamas and Fatah fought a civil war. The wealthy Arabs pay lip service but treat the Palestinians like regional trash. Your invoking South Africa is simplistic and ignorant of a complex situation and history. While Israel has some blame, the plight of the Palestinians is based on centuries old religious, clan, and ethnic issues. Lebanon was destroyed by regional factionalism not related to Israel.

I think an argument could be made that both Zionism and Nazism had their roots in 19th century nationalism. Other than that, there's no comparison.

I'm not going to be drawn into a debate over Israel, but it's policy wrt to the West Bank is indefensible IMO. I don't approve of theocracies, enlightened, tolerant, or not, and Palestinians have every bit as much right to be there as any Jew.
 
The point about comparing to Stalin is also interesting. Do you agree Stalin was the bug bigger monster than Hitler, and if so, why is Hitler remembered as THE big evil in history?

I don't see a difference between them, and I don't see why other people do. Mao as well. There's only one explanation I can really think of for Stalin to not be seen as evil as Hitler.

At the end of WWII, Germany was completely overrun. Opposition government had access to every and all German government records. They could go through it in minute detail, and in some cases they did.

The Soviet Union did collapse, but Russia rose up to take over the institutions without foreign governments pouring over their records. They got to hide their dirty laundry, to a certain extent.

Plus while those two monsters were battling it out in Eastern Europe, we were fighting one of those monsters so the other was mistakenly considered a friend.
 
Umm, during the Yeltsin years, many of those archives were opened, and a whole slew of better historical studies happened as a result.

This was 20 years ago.
 
I found this online and found it interesting: http://www.rense.com/general30/schol.htm

George Steiner, Cambridge professor of English and comparative literature, author of numerous scholarly books such as Tolstoy or Dostoyevsky, Language and Silence etc, set out his sobering views in a novel called The Portage to San Cristobal of A.H. (1981). Strangely enough - Dr Steiner is a Jew - he uses his imagination to hypothetically 'give Hitler the chance to defend himself before a Jewish court', 'to defend the indefensible'. How on earth can a Cambridge professor, a Jew, in effect defend A.H., claimed by Jews to be the 'greatest embodiment of evil in human history'? What can be his argument? In summary (Steiner pp 120-126):

Point One: 'The Nazi race doctrines were but a "parody" of the Jewish doctrine of "a chosen people, chosen by God for his own, the only race on earth chosen, exalted, made singular among mankind.. to set a race apart, to hold before it a promised land".'
Point Two: 'The Jew's addiction to [his version of] the ideal.. "It is no accident that Marx and his minions were Jews, that the congregations of Bolshevism - Trotsky, Rosa Luxemberg, Kamenev, the whole fanatic, murderous pack - were of Israel..'
[Chaim Bermant in his book The Jews devotes a chapter to this aspect of Communism that is hardly generally known. The author, himself Jewish, writes with a certain authority and familiarity concerning his subject and can hardly be accused of the charge of 'anti-Semitism' which is usually leveled at anyone who offers any criticism, no matter how justified, of Jews. "No people is so averse to change yet none in recent times has dissipated more of its energy on revolution.. Although Jews formed less than five percent of Russia's population, they formed more than fifty percent of its revolutionaries..

"It must be added that most of the leading revolutionaries who convulsed Europe in the final decades of the last century and the first decades of this one, stemmed from prosperous Jewish families.. They were perhaps typified by the father of revolution, Karl Marx.. Thus when, after the chaos of World War I, revolutions broke out all over Europe, Jews were everywhere at the helm; Trotsky, Sverdlov, Kamenev and Zinoviev in Russia, Bela Kun in Hungary, Kurt Eisner in Bavaria, and, most improbable of all, Rosa Luxemburg in Berlin.

"To many outside observers, the Russian revolution looked like a Jewish conspiracy, especially when it was followed by Jewish-led revolutionary outbreaks in much of central Europe. The leadership of the Bolshevik Party had a preponderance of Jews and included Litvinov (real name Wallach), Liadov (Mandelshtam), Shklovsky, Saltz, Gusev (Drabkin), Zemliachka (Salkind), Helena Rozmirovich, Serafima Gopner, Yaroslavsky (Gubelman), Yaklovlev (Epstein), Riaznov (Goldendach), Uritsky and Larin. Of the seven members of the Politburo, the inner cabinet of the country, four, Trotsky (Bronstein), Zinoviev (Radomsky), Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and Sverdlov, were Jews."]

Point Three: "You have exaggerated. Grossly. Hysterically. What were Rotterdam or Coventry compared to Dresden and Hiroshima? Did I invent the camps? Ask the Boers.. To whom did you hand over millions, tens of millions of men and women from Prague to the Baltic? What did [Solzhenitsyn] say? That Stalin had slaughtered thirty million. I was a man of a murderous time, but a small man compared to him. That he perfected genocide [of the kulaks] when I was still a nameless scribbler in Munich. My boys used their fists and their whips. I won't deny it. The times stank of hunger and blood. But when a man spat out the truth they would stop their fun. Stalin's torturers worked for the pleasure of the thing. To make men befoul themselves, to obtain confessions that are lies, insanities, obscene jokes. The truth only made them more bestial. It is not I who assert these things: it is your own Jewish survivors, your historians, the sage of the Gulag. Who, then was the great destroyer, whose blood-lust the more implacable? Stalin's or mine? Our terrors were a village carnival compared to his. Our camps covered absurd acres; he had strung wire and death-pits around a continent. Yet Stalin died in bed, and yet you hunt me down like a rabid dog.."
Point Four: 'Zionism was shaped in the image of German nationalism.. "The Holocaust gave you the courage of injustice, to drive the Arab out of his home, out of his field, because he was without resource, because he was in your way, knowing that those you had driven out were rotting in refugee camps, not ten miles away, buried alive in despair and lunatic dreams of vengeance.. You used the Holocaust to create Israel.. Should you not honour me who have made your long, vacuous dream of Zion a reality?".'
Why is anti-Palestinianism, unquestionably a form of anti-Semitism, not 'politically incorrect'? As various commentators have been pointing out for more than half a century, the Palestinians have been made to pay for the Holocaust over this extended period, and are still doing so.

So that is the best that can be drummed up to try to defend the indefensible Hitler?

I find the point about being a "chosen people" interesting. I thought the same when I first read the old testament bible, and how the God directed them to slaughter their neighbours etc. It made the holocaust take on a note of twisted irony.

The point about comparing to Stalin is also interesting. Do you agree Stalin was the bug bigger monster than Hitler, and if so, why is Hitler remembered as THE big evil in history?

And the point about the Bolsheviks being mostly jewish... is that true? Was there an attraction to communism specifically for Jews? It does make some sense I suppose since communism was supposed to be about equality of all and Jews had faced a lot of oppression throughout the ages, so may be especially likely to go for an ideology that touts that.

Any other thoughts? If you were given the impossible job as Hitler's defence advocate, what else could you possibly try to bring up? That he didn't get into arts school? :p
Quoting a known anti-semite and finding the a remark about "the chosen people" interesting. Utterly fascinating.
 
I found this online and found it interesting: http://www.rense.com/general30/schol.htm

George Steiner, Cambridge professor of English and comparative literature, author of numerous scholarly books such as Tolstoy or Dostoyevsky, Language and Silence etc, set out his sobering views in a novel called The Portage to San Cristobal of A.H. (1981). Strangely enough - Dr Steiner is a Jew - he uses his imagination to hypothetically 'give Hitler the chance to defend himself before a Jewish court', 'to defend the indefensible'. How on earth can a Cambridge professor, a Jew, in effect defend A.H., claimed by Jews to be the 'greatest embodiment of evil in human history'? What can be his argument? In summary (Steiner pp 120-126):

Point One: 'The Nazi race doctrines were but a "parody" of the Jewish doctrine of "a chosen people, chosen by God for his own, the only race on earth chosen, exalted, made singular among mankind.. to set a race apart, to hold before it a promised land".'
Point Two: 'The Jew's addiction to [his version of] the ideal.. "It is no accident that Marx and his minions were Jews, that the congregations of Bolshevism - Trotsky, Rosa Luxemberg, Kamenev, the whole fanatic, murderous pack - were of Israel..'
[Chaim Bermant in his book The Jews devotes a chapter to this aspect of Communism that is hardly generally known. The author, himself Jewish, writes with a certain authority and familiarity concerning his subject and can hardly be accused of the charge of 'anti-Semitism' which is usually leveled at anyone who offers any criticism, no matter how justified, of Jews. "No people is so averse to change yet none in recent times has dissipated more of its energy on revolution.. Although Jews formed less than five percent of Russia's population, they formed more than fifty percent of its revolutionaries..

"It must be added that most of the leading revolutionaries who convulsed Europe in the final decades of the last century and the first decades of this one, stemmed from prosperous Jewish families.. They were perhaps typified by the father of revolution, Karl Marx.. Thus when, after the chaos of World War I, revolutions broke out all over Europe, Jews were everywhere at the helm; Trotsky, Sverdlov, Kamenev and Zinoviev in Russia, Bela Kun in Hungary, Kurt Eisner in Bavaria, and, most improbable of all, Rosa Luxemburg in Berlin.

"To many outside observers, the Russian revolution looked like a Jewish conspiracy, especially when it was followed by Jewish-led revolutionary outbreaks in much of central Europe. The leadership of the Bolshevik Party had a preponderance of Jews and included Litvinov (real name Wallach), Liadov (Mandelshtam), Shklovsky, Saltz, Gusev (Drabkin), Zemliachka (Salkind), Helena Rozmirovich, Serafima Gopner, Yaroslavsky (Gubelman), Yaklovlev (Epstein), Riaznov (Goldendach), Uritsky and Larin. Of the seven members of the Politburo, the inner cabinet of the country, four, Trotsky (Bronstein), Zinoviev (Radomsky), Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and Sverdlov, were Jews."]

Point Three: "You have exaggerated. Grossly. Hysterically. What were Rotterdam or Coventry compared to Dresden and Hiroshima? Did I invent the camps? Ask the Boers.. To whom did you hand over millions, tens of millions of men and women from Prague to the Baltic? What did [Solzhenitsyn] say? That Stalin had slaughtered thirty million. I was a man of a murderous time, but a small man compared to him. That he perfected genocide [of the kulaks] when I was still a nameless scribbler in Munich. My boys used their fists and their whips. I won't deny it. The times stank of hunger and blood. But when a man spat out the truth they would stop their fun. Stalin's torturers worked for the pleasure of the thing. To make men befoul themselves, to obtain confessions that are lies, insanities, obscene jokes. The truth only made them more bestial. It is not I who assert these things: it is your own Jewish survivors, your historians, the sage of the Gulag. Who, then was the great destroyer, whose blood-lust the more implacable? Stalin's or mine? Our terrors were a village carnival compared to his. Our camps covered absurd acres; he had strung wire and death-pits around a continent. Yet Stalin died in bed, and yet you hunt me down like a rabid dog.."
Point Four: 'Zionism was shaped in the image of German nationalism.. "The Holocaust gave you the courage of injustice, to drive the Arab out of his home, out of his field, because he was without resource, because he was in your way, knowing that those you had driven out were rotting in refugee camps, not ten miles away, buried alive in despair and lunatic dreams of vengeance.. You used the Holocaust to create Israel.. Should you not honour me who have made your long, vacuous dream of Zion a reality?".'
Why is anti-Palestinianism, unquestionably a form of anti-Semitism, not 'politically incorrect'? As various commentators have been pointing out for more than half a century, the Palestinians have been made to pay for the Holocaust over this extended period, and are still doing so.

I truly don't think Hitler will use those arguments in his defense.

First, a Jewish court would never be accepted to judge Hitler. The best judge must be neutral.

With this first point, Hitler must request neutrality in this case and he already won the first round. The court must be ruled by a judge with neutrality about WW2.

Second, he has the right of an attorney, his attorney will prepare the defense.

Third, the attorney will demand evidence from the accusatory party. If evidence doesn't corroborate the testimony of witness, then their testimonies will be discarded.

Fourth, a judicial case is itself a "legal war of words and evidence", and Hitler was a master strategist of war, it might be very possible that he and his attorney should have made his enemies eat dirt right there in the court room.

His first defense would start exposing the pressure by England and other countries to subjugate Germany after WW1. Here Hitler has the best reason on his side to start the second war.

The rest, Hitler has the opportunity to demonstrate that the accusation party has no evidence, that the damage has been well exaggerate, and that the honor of his name must be vindicated.

In court, comparison with other leaders who committed mass crimes won't be allowed, the case is about Hitler and the assumed victims. However, if the victims have a history record of mass crimes, their former crimes can be used as background against their credibility.

This is the way a real court case should take its path.
 
I'm not sure what insights people are hoping to come across in defending a mad person who is not obligated to make any sense at all to a rational human being.
 
No, I am saying Jewish nationalism AKA Zionism, Turkish nationalism that created Turkey and all the factions and ethnicities worldwide that want independence and ethnic purity without compromise are not unique. If you claim Jews = Nazis you then have to show Jews different from many other ethnicities Current in the news, Buddhist Myanmar expelling and oppressing Muslims. The list is long. Muslims are being slaughtered in Myanmar..

There are certainly issues with Israel. That being said, anyone who equates modern Jews with Nazis is displaying a deep and utter ignorance the history of the Nazi regime.

From what I have seen in Israeli media Israel is a tolerant western style system within its borders. A high degree of tolerance. Over here we only here the current right wing govt. There is opposition to settlements.

Before the first intifada Palestinians had markets in Israel.

Egypt had control of Gaza and closed the border. Palestinians and Jordan fought a civil war. Hamas and Fatah fought a civil war. The wealthy Arabs pay lip service but treat the Palestinians like regional trash. Your invoking South Africa is simplistic and ignorant of a complex situation and history. While Israel has some blame, the plight of the Palestinians is based on centuries old religious, clan, and ethnic issues. Lebanon was destroyed by regional factionalism not related to Israel.

I think an argument could be made that both Zionism and Nazism had their roots in 19th century nationalism. Other than that, there's no comparison.

I'm not going to be drawn into a debate over Israel, but it's policy wrt to the West Bank is indefensible IMO. I don't approve of theocracies, enlightened, tolerant, or not, and Palestinians have every bit as much right to be there as any Jew.

According to a Jewish acquaintance the 19th century Jews collectively had the same issue as global Islam today. The question of whether or not a follower could be a citizen of a state above a sense of some future Jewish state. It was discussed at a a conference.

When the decision was made to declare a state unilaterally in Palestine there was debate over a religious vs secular state. The secularists won out. Modern Israel appears similar to the US. Conservative to liberal religious sects, conservatives limited in direct power to enforce religious law. Independent Judiciary. Freedom of religion. They drew on the Ottoman Empire in part as a model. Personal affairs such as marriage left to religions. It may have changed, Israel has no civil marriage. Gays who marry elsewhere and return have their marriage honored.

The 19th century saw the roots of 20th century American, Japanese, Russian, Italian, British, and other nationalisms arise. German,Spanish, Portuguese British, French, Ottoman, and Russian nationalism and conflicts go back far in history.

So yo are hard pressed to isolate Israel/Jews from all the rest. Nazism was pure fiction. Himmler created a bizarre mysticism. Aryans as defined by Nazis never existed. In the 90s Israel acknowledged Arab institutional bias, and it was reported changes were being made. That being said within Israel there is a high degree of tolerance. They predate the USA on gay rights. Like the USA there are ultra conservatives who are intolerant, but they do not represent the majority.

4-5 years ago I spent a lot of time on the issues on this forum along with reading some history. I went back and forth eventually settling on my views.
 
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