Dem Post Mortem

[Elixir]

 

[Colonel Sanders]

The Americans who use America as a punching bag more typically are distancing themselves from the rest of us -- they appear to imagine belonging to the group they're criticizing means they deserve credit for self-criticism even though their intent was to criticize other members of the group, never themselves. They're virtue signaling.

I can't think of anyone that criticized America more than Trump.

The Orange Ghoul's criticism was directed at Democrats, not at the U.S. itself. There's a big difference. The implicit and explicit message was/is that liberals have failed to address issues that most people care about, and in the process have created a milquetoast nation that is weak, unsure, and overly accommodating. It's a simplistic message, but it hits home.

I could use any number of examples, but one that came to mind yesterday was when Trump targeted those Iranian military personnel. Libs shit their pants over that one, but the question is why? The government of Iran and the people who support that government are quite vocal about their hatred for the U.S. and have supported terrorism for a good 40+ years now. I don't believe that all the other barbaric things practiced in that country need any further addressing at this site.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

*The billionaires are now in control of our politics* "hey guys we need to stop talking about trans stuff"

Talking about trans stuff has largely been a huge victory for the GOP. Politicians and political commentators have spent a huge amount of time either demonising trans people or defending them, and this leaves less time to pitch help on cost of living, workers rights, or other things that workers need to hear from the Dems to have a reason to vote for them.

The GOP are trolls. Their backers are trolls. The Dems and the media bite the hook every time.

Last I checked the dems in this campaign were mainly focusing on abortion. Not trans people.

Symbols matter, and Trump's team was able to make transactivism a symbol of the Democratic party.

I saw on the Daily Show last night that the Dems were bragging about the first trans person being elected to Congress.

Yay.

Should trans folks be allowed to hold public office? Of course. But the Dems and an outsized voice on the internet among the youngest demographics, who don't show up to vote btw, have shoved this issue down everyone's throats to the point of everyone else wanting to vomit it back up. The same goes for border issues, and on and on and on.

To quote my Trump voting cousin once more: "It's all that shit."

That right there says why Trump, as vile as he is, beat the shit out of Harris and Democrats in general.

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

*The billionaires are now in control of our politics* "hey guys we need to stop talking about trans stuff"

Talking about trans stuff has largely been a huge victory for the GOP. Politicians and political commentators have spent a huge amount of time either demonising trans people or defending them, and this leaves less time to pitch help on cost of living, workers rights, or other things that workers need to hear from the Dems to have a reason to vote for them.

The GOP are trolls. Their backers are trolls. The Dems and the media bite the hook every time.

Last I checked the dems in this campaign were mainly focusing on abortion. Not trans people.

Symbols matter, and Trump's team was able to make transactivism a symbol of the Democratic party.

I saw on the Daily Show last night that the Dems were bragging about the first trans person being elected to Congress.

Yay.

Should trans folks be allowed to hold public office? Of course. But the Dems and an outsized voice on the internet among the youngest demographics, who don't show up to vote btw, have shoved this issue down everyone's throats to the point of everyone else wanting to vomit it back up. The same goes for border issues, and on and on and on.

To quote my Trump voting cousin once more: "It's all that shit."

That right there says why Trump, as vile as he is, beat the shit out of Harris and Democrats in general.

Such fantasy regarding border issues. President Biden created a law that would have made border security greater, but the Republicans, at the request of Trump voted against it. It is Republicans and Trump who are always harping about the border and millions of imaginary people crossing it. Trump won regardless of anything the Democrats did because the American voters ignored all principles, and were willing to vote for people without integrity, and from ignorance about what was actually happening in the economy.
Similarly, it was and is the Republicans always going on about trans people and 'what is a woman' and bathrooms, and other nonsense.
Screw symbolism, the Nazis had that too with the swastika (which they stole and perverted).

 

[thebeave]

*The billionaires are now in control of our politics* "hey guys we need to stop talking about trans stuff"

Talking about trans stuff has largely been a huge victory for the GOP. Politicians and political commentators have spent a huge amount of time either demonising trans people or defending them, and this leaves less time to pitch help on cost of living, workers rights, or other things that workers need to hear from the Dems to have a reason to vote for them.

The GOP are trolls. Their backers are trolls. The Dems and the media bite the hook every time.

Last I checked the dems in this campaign were mainly focusing on abortion. Not trans people.

Symbols matter, and Trump's team was able to make transactivism a symbol of the Democratic party.

I saw on the Daily Show last night that the Dems were bragging about the first trans person being elected to Congress.

Yay.

Should trans folks be allowed to hold public office? Of course. But the Dems and an outsized voice on the internet among the youngest demographics, who don't show up to vote btw, have shoved this issue down everyone's throats to the point of everyone else wanting to vomit it back up. The same goes for border issues, and on and on and on.

To quote my Trump voting cousin once more: "It's all that shit."

That right there says why Trump, as vile as he is, beat the shit out of Harris and Democrats in general.

Such fantasy regarding border issues. President Biden created a law that would have made border security greater, but the Republicans, at the request of Trump voted against it. It is Republicans and Trump who are always harping about the border and millions of imaginary people crossing it. Trump won regardless of anything the Democrats did because the American voters ignored all principles, and were willing to vote for people without integrity, and from ignorance about what was actually happening in the economy.
Similarly, it was and is the Republicans always going on about trans people and 'what is a woman' and bathrooms, and other nonsense.
Screw symbolism, the Nazis had that too with the swastika (which they stole and perverted).

Here's NYC Democrat Mayor Eric Adams harping about the imaginary people crossing the border and ending up in NYC:



More imaginary people from the border living in their imaginary tents in the streets of Democrat run Chicago. And Democrat Gov Pritzker harping too:

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

*The billionaires are now in control of our politics* "hey guys we need to stop talking about trans stuff"

Talking about trans stuff has largely been a huge victory for the GOP. Politicians and political commentators have spent a huge amount of time either demonising trans people or defending them, and this leaves less time to pitch help on cost of living, workers rights, or other things that workers need to hear from the Dems to have a reason to vote for them.

The GOP are trolls. Their backers are trolls. The Dems and the media bite the hook every time.

Last I checked the dems in this campaign were mainly focusing on abortion. Not trans people.

Symbols matter, and Trump's team was able to make transactivism a symbol of the Democratic party.

I saw on the Daily Show last night that the Dems were bragging about the first trans person being elected to Congress.

Yay.

Should trans folks be allowed to hold public office? Of course. But the Dems and an outsized voice on the internet among the youngest demographics, who don't show up to vote btw, have shoved this issue down everyone's throats to the point of everyone else wanting to vomit it back up.

Yeah, humanity and humility are reprehensibly being shoved down people's throats. Just like the gay agenda! Oh wait... that is normal now, so we don't worry about the "gay agenda" anymore.
We have 40% of the nation that wants to pretend that Transgenders don't even exist! I'm not going to swallow your tripe that insisting they are real is wrong.

Wanna talk issues of transgenders in women sports? The same sports that these assholes fucking mock! Yeah, let's have that discussion, bring science into the discussion. Discuss the UCI study, look at the transgender performance in swimming while medicated to drop certain chemical levels. The UCI study alone would seem to suggest that it won't be fair, but not just because of the chassis, but because how the people who want to hold back transgender people feel about women in sports in the first place. I find it outrageous that the exact same people shitting on the World Cup winning USWNT asking for more equitable pay and training facilities and excoriating transgenders for harming the fairness of women's sports.

Women locker rooms, bathrooms, etc... the conversation sounds a lot more about what men think women's spaces should be than what women think they should need.

The same goes for border issues, and on and on and on.

Oh, that's right, "the border". I'll take issues that don't impact the average American's life for $800 Ken. Wanna talk shoving down one's throat? How about Trump and the hoards of illegals.

To quote my Trump voting cousin once more: "It's all that shit."

That isn't real, impacting their lives, or amounts to anything more than noise. They are raging over the windmills taking over the nation because the media they consume 24/7 has riled them up to think this shit matters to their lives. All the underaged daughters out there are doing active shooter drills in their schools... not active transgender student in the bathroom drills.

That right there says why Trump, as vile as he is, beat the shit out of Harris and Democrats in general.

He didn't beat the shit out of anyone. He won. It wasn't a 1984, 1972. It was 2016 again, with him failing to get more than 50% of the vote... again.

 

[Elixir]

The Americans who use America as a punching bag more typically are distancing themselves from the rest of us -- they appear to imagine belonging to the group they're criticizing means they deserve credit for self-criticism even though their intent was to criticize other members of the group, never themselves. They're virtue signaling.

I can't think of anyone that criticized America more than Trump.

When Trump references "America" or "The Country" he is talking about Himself.
"If you don't elect me, you won't have ME anymore"
"This corrupt DOJ is destroying our ME"
"The Democrats are terrible for ME"
"This ME is headed into a shithole"

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

*The billionaires are now in control of our politics* "hey guys we need to stop talking about trans stuff"

Talking about trans stuff has largely been a huge victory for the GOP. Politicians and political commentators have spent a huge amount of time either demonising trans people or defending them, and this leaves less time to pitch help on cost of living, workers rights, or other things that workers need to hear from the Dems to have a reason to vote for them.

The GOP are trolls. Their backers are trolls. The Dems and the media bite the hook every time.

Last I checked the dems in this campaign were mainly focusing on abortion. Not trans people.

Symbols matter, and Trump's team was able to make transactivism a symbol of the Democratic party.

I saw on the Daily Show last night that the Dems were bragging about the first trans person being elected to Congress.

Yay.

Should trans folks be allowed to hold public office? Of course. But the Dems and an outsized voice on the internet among the youngest demographics, who don't show up to vote btw, have shoved this issue down everyone's throats to the point of everyone else wanting to vomit it back up. The same goes for border issues, and on and on and on.

To quote my Trump voting cousin once more: "It's all that shit."

That right there says why Trump, as vile as he is, beat the shit out of Harris and Democrats in general.

Such fantasy regarding border issues. President Biden created a law that would have made border security greater, but the Republicans, at the request of Trump voted against it. It is Republicans and Trump who are always harping about the border and millions of imaginary people crossing it. Trump won regardless of anything the Democrats did because the American voters ignored all principles, and were willing to vote for people without integrity, and from ignorance about what was actually happening in the economy.
Similarly, it was and is the Republicans always going on about trans people and 'what is a woman' and bathrooms, and other nonsense.
Screw symbolism, the Nazis had that too with the swastika (which they stole and perverted).

Here's NYC Democrat Mayor Eric Adams harping about the imaginary people crossing the border and ending up in NYC:

More imaginary people from the border living in their imaginary tents in the streets of Democrat run Chicago. And Democrat Gov Pritzker harping too:

Why did you bother to emphasize the entire sentence, but ignore the "millions" part of it?

 

[thebeave]

Huh... Well, OK, if it makes you happy, I'll change the sentence for you, as unfortunately its too late to edit the post:

It is Republicans and Trump who are always harping about the border and millions of imaginary people crossing it.

Not sure that changes my point, though.

 

[Elixir]

Huh... Well, OK, if it makes you happy, I'll change the sentence for you, as unfortunately its too late to edit the post:

It is Republicans and Trump who are always harping about the border and millions of imaginary people crossing it.

Not sure that changes my point, though.

MUCH better!!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Huh... Well, OK, if it makes you happy, I'll change the sentence for you, as unfortunately its too late to edit the post:

It is Republicans and Trump who are always harping about the border and millions of imaginary people crossing it.

Not sure that changes my point, though.

Oh, it doesn't change your point of trying to take spacetime inhabitants's post out of context, to try and make them look silly when the Mayor of NYC is talking about resources being strained by the increase in new immigrants heading (and or being sent to) NYC. It was just that emphasizing the "millions of imaginary people" just made your disingenuous post more obvious.

 

[Elixir]

Oh, it doesn't change your point of trying to take spacetime inhabitants's post out of context, to try and make them look silly when the Mayor of NYC is talking about resources being strained by the increase in new immigrants heading (and or being sent to) NYC. It was just that emphasizing the "millions of imaginary people" just made your disingenuous post more obvious.

It doesn’t change the meaning but makes the fact that it is hyperbolic more honestly apparent.

 

[thebeave]

Huh... Well, OK, if it makes you happy, I'll change the sentence for you, as unfortunately its too late to edit the post:

It is Republicans and Trump who are always harping about the border and millions of imaginary people crossing it.

Not sure that changes my point, though.

Oh, it doesn't change your point of trying to take spacetime inhabitants's post out of context, to try and make them look silly when the Mayor of NYC is talking about resources being strained by the increase in new immigrants heading (and or being sent to) NYC. It was just that emphasizing the "millions of imaginary people" just made your disingenuous post more obvious.

Dude, leave it to you to parse my responses down to the nitty gritty and assign nefarious intents to all my posts. The fact is, millions of people have illegally crossed the border in recent years, as has been harped on by both Democrats and Republicans alike. These are not imaginary people, they are quite real. Does that clarify things? Spacetime Inhabitants statement is blatantly false, so why don't you harp on him about his blatant falsehoods and stop micromanaging my responses?

 

[Elixir]

Huh... Well, OK, if it makes you happy, I'll change the sentence for you, as unfortunately its too late to edit the post:

It is Republicans and Trump who are always harping about the border and millions of imaginary people crossing it.

Not sure that changes my point, though.

Oh, it doesn't change your point of trying to take spacetime inhabitants's post out of context, to try and make them look silly when the Mayor of NYC is talking about resources being strained by the increase in new immigrants heading (and or being sent to) NYC. It was just that emphasizing the "millions of imaginary people" just made your disingenuous post more obvious.

Dude, leave it to you to parse my responses down to the nitty gritty and assign nefarious intents to all my posts. The fact is, millions of people have illegally crossed the border in recent years, as has been harped on by both Democrats and Republicans alike. These are not imaginary people, they are quite real. Does that clarify things? Spacetime Inhabitants statement is blatantly false, so why don't you harp on him about his blatant falsehoods and stop micromanaging my responses?

There's major disagreement about the net effect of those agreed upon millions. There's the "they're eating the dogs" faction, vs. "How much do you want to pay for lettuce?" faction. IMHO the whole kerfuffle is manufactured bullshit. So I wonder who benefits from it, and that's where the politics tell the tale. Seems like there's more than a little bit of "both sides" there, because that's what people are.
IMHO people need to chill, and acclimate themselves to the presence of people who don't look or sound like them. Try spending the money they were going to spend on "mass deportations" to send white kids abroad for a year or two. Not in Europe.
Maybe forcefully deporting all our white people to Africa* would be a constructive step
*just not me

Appeals to emotion and easy and effective, and analysis of the veracity of every claim is impossibly difficult so when binary choices arise...

 

[Colonel Sanders]

*The billionaires are now in control of our politics* "hey guys we need to stop talking about trans stuff"

Talking about trans stuff has largely been a huge victory for the GOP. Politicians and political commentators have spent a huge amount of time either demonising trans people or defending them, and this leaves less time to pitch help on cost of living, workers rights, or other things that workers need to hear from the Dems to have a reason to vote for them.

The GOP are trolls. Their backers are trolls. The Dems and the media bite the hook every time.

Last I checked the dems in this campaign were mainly focusing on abortion. Not trans people.

Symbols matter, and Trump's team was able to make transactivism a symbol of the Democratic party.

I saw on the Daily Show last night that the Dems were bragging about the first trans person being elected to Congress.

Yay.

Should trans folks be allowed to hold public office? Of course. But the Dems and an outsized voice on the internet among the youngest demographics, who don't show up to vote btw, have shoved this issue down everyone's throats to the point of everyone else wanting to vomit it back up. The same goes for border issues, and on and on and on.

To quote my Trump voting cousin once more: "It's all that shit."

That right there says why Trump, as vile as he is, beat the shit out of Harris and Democrats in general.

Such fantasy regarding border issues. President Biden created a law that would have made border security greater, but the Republicans, at the request of Trump voted against it. It is Republicans and Trump who are always harping about the border and millions of imaginary people crossing it. Trump won regardless of anything the Democrats did because the American voters ignored all principles, and were willing to vote for people without integrity, and from ignorance about what was actually happening in the economy.
Similarly, it was and is the Republicans always going on about trans people and 'what is a woman' and bathrooms, and other nonsense.
Screw symbolism, the Nazis had that too with the swastika (which they stole and perverted).

"Screw symbolism."

 

[Colonel Sanders]

*The billionaires are now in control of our politics* "hey guys we need to stop talking about trans stuff"

Talking about trans stuff has largely been a huge victory for the GOP. Politicians and political commentators have spent a huge amount of time either demonising trans people or defending them, and this leaves less time to pitch help on cost of living, workers rights, or other things that workers need to hear from the Dems to have a reason to vote for them.

The GOP are trolls. Their backers are trolls. The Dems and the media bite the hook every time.

Last I checked the dems in this campaign were mainly focusing on abortion. Not trans people.

Symbols matter, and Trump's team was able to make transactivism a symbol of the Democratic party.

I saw on the Daily Show last night that the Dems were bragging about the first trans person being elected to Congress.

Yay.

Should trans folks be allowed to hold public office? Of course. But the Dems and an outsized voice on the internet among the youngest demographics, who don't show up to vote btw, have shoved this issue down everyone's throats to the point of everyone else wanting to vomit it back up.

Yeah, humanity and humility are reprehensibly being shoved down people's throats. Just like the gay agenda! Oh wait... that is normal now, so we don't worry about the "gay agenda" anymore.
We have 40% of the nation that wants to pretend that Transgenders don't even exist! I'm not going to swallow your tripe that insisting they are real is wrong.

Fine. You guys keep screaming about transgender issues e.g. harassing JK Rowling and wanting their own bathrooms. It's done us all so much good. Keep trading minuscule demographics for the big ones. It's done us all so much good. Women have lost abortion rights and same sex marriage is next. Glad to see you're more concerned about support 0.05% of the population at the expense of those lost rights.

Wanna talk issues of transgenders in women sports? The same sports that these assholes fucking mock! Yeah, let's have that discussion, bring science into the discussion. Discuss the UCI study, look at the transgender performance in swimming while medicated to drop certain chemical levels. The UCI study alone would seem to suggest that it won't be fair, but not just because of the chassis, but because how the people who want to hold back transgender people feel about women in sports in the first place. I find it outrageous that the exact same people shitting on the World Cup winning USWNT asking for more equitable pay and training facilities and excoriating transgenders for harming the fairness of women's sports.

Women locker rooms, bathrooms, etc... the conversation sounds a lot more about what men think women's spaces should be than what women think they should need.

Women are concerned about this, but don't let it bother you.

The same goes for border issues, and on and on and on.

Oh, that's right, "the border". I'll take issues that don't impact the average American's life for $800 Ken. Wanna talk shoving down one's throat? How about Trump and the hoards of illegals.

Oh really? Illegal immigration doesn't impact average Americans? About 83% of Hispanics beg to differ (see most recent Pew study). Generations ago when they came here, they worked their asses off, got paid less, but now they're getting the same wages as everyone else. I say this with respect to the construction industry, which I worked in since I was 12 (yes, 12). Now they want to keep what they've earned and I don't see a problem with that.

I love how liberal whites claim to speak for Hispanics, but haven't the slightest clue about what's important to them as a whole. It's pandering and insulting. It's also arrogant because the thought that a large ethnic group doesn't have agency except what the Democrats assign to them is galling.

To quote my Trump voting cousin once more: "It's all that shit."

That isn't real, impacting their lives, or amounts to anything more than noise. They are raging over the windmills taking over the nation because the media they consume 24/7 has riled them up to think this shit matters to their lives. All the underaged daughters out there are doing active shooter drills in their schools... not active transgender student in the bathroom drills.

Well, they sure seem to believe that it isn't impacting their lives. The Dems never seem to realize that perception is reality for the average voter. They've always been terrible at messaging and failed to fight aggressively. Instead they've chosen the milquetoast mantra of "When they go low, we go high." Fuckin' christ.

I vote on ideology, but I'll be damned if I feel represented by the party I vote for. It will never make me pull the lever for the GOP in any race for anything, but I'm fed the fuck up, as are tens of millions of others, for being blamed for everything that came before and which we had nothing to do with.

It's old, tiresome, and is driving away voters by the tens of millions. It cost us a SCOTUS that's going to be sitting there for decades now. We're already at a 6-3 advantage and if any liberal justice dies, we're going to end up with a 4th Trump appointee. So okay, we may lose the right to vote, and the very people Dems claim to represent are going to going to be heavily persecuted, but at least we have... what exactly?

That right there says why Trump, as vile as he is, beat the shit out of Harris and Democrats in general.

He didn't beat the shit out of anyone. He won. It wasn't a 1984, 1972. It was 2016 again, with him failing to get more than 50% of the vote... again.

He did indeed beat the shit out of Harris and it happened down ballot too. Some 14 million less votes were cast for Harris than Biden, but Trump got nearly the same amount of votes as he did in 2020. Trump won every swing state.

That sir, is an ass kicking.

 

[Swammerdami]

I never said history shouldn't be taught. Kids need to learn about it, but at some point using the U.S. as a punching bag now for things that happened long ago needs to ease the fuck up. There's no critical thinking skills involved in the lightweight white knighting self-hatred that so many liberals just can't seem to get enough of.

That's some bullshit. Conservatives want history erased,

Hmm. Pol Pot tried very hard to erase Cambodis's previous history yet no one on here would call him conservative.

"Conservative" means preserving what's good about the present, no? "Reactionary" is the term for reverting to what was allegedly good about the past.

By that definition, both the Khmer Rouge and the Trumpists are reactionary.

 

[Swammerdami]

I'm making some effort to reduce my addiction to political news. But I did just watch Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart.

Mr. Stwart is not impressed with recent Democratic performance:

Republicans are playing chess and the Democrats are in the nurse's office because they glued their balls to their thigh.

The D's must play hardball. For example, Biden once said "That's for the Senate Parliamentarian to decide; it's not for Joe Biden to decide."
What the F**king F**k! No wonder the country is lost.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Let us repeat: Trump didn't win the popular vote by a huge margin.

Donald Trump Has NOT Won a Majority of the Votes Cast for President

Donald Trump’s popular vote total has fallen below 50 percent, and his margin over Kamala Harris has narrowed considerably as all the votes are counted.

www.thenation.com

Cue the inane conspiracy theories and post-hoc confirmation bias laden speculation.

 

[Derec]

Let us repeat: Trump didn't win the popular vote by a huge margin.

So what? He still got more votes than her, for what it's worth, even if it wasn't quite 50%.

Also, this is a Dem Post Mortem thread. Not yet another Trump thread. That shitty AI "art" Elixir inflicted on us was especially off topic.

To wrangle this thread back on topic, here's a thought.

Harris reportedly has a $20M debt, despite raising record amounts of money.
Harris campaign’s spending comes under scrutiny
I wonder how much of that money was spent on celebrities like Beyonce.

Being bad with money echoes Kami's 2019 campaign, where she enjoyed an early fundraising advantage, but had spent it all before 2020 even began.
April 2019: Kamala Harris takes early lead in the big-money race
December 2019: Kamala Harris ends White House bid, citing lack of funding

Dems really need to stop nominating people because "it's their turn" or because "they would make history".