Dem Post Mortem

[Politesse]

And that would indeed have pissed off a lot of Americans. There are plenty of US citizens who HATE seeing a man publically disparaged by a woman, for any reason.

If anything, it's the opposite. For many years, male politicians going against a female one have been told that they have to pull punches because the public would not take kindly to a man being too aggressive against a woman.
For example, take this article:
Why It’s So Hard for Men to Debate Women

Of all the playground rules that still apply to presidential politics, “don’t hit girls” is probably the trickiest. Especially in debates, where “hitting” your rival (not literally, of course) is the whole point.
That’s why so many male candidates have floundered when they found themselves going man-to-man with a female opponent. Most voters don’t like to see women candidates get attacked or patronized by men. And since debates are often the only moments where candidates share the same physical space, the gender dynamics can be more obvious—and more precarious.
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One-liners can go sour. When Clinton ran for the Democratic nomination in 2007, and all the primary candidates were asked to say one nice thing and one critical thing about the candidate standing next to them. Sen. John Edwards went with “Um, I’m not sure about that coat,” drawing attention to Clinton’s pink jacket in a row of dark suits. The moment was clearly intended as a joke, but the voters thought it sounded sexist. Barack Obama fell into the same trap later in that primary, when Clinton was asked about why voters don’t seem to like her. “You’re likable enough, Hillary,” he interjected. It sounded condescending and dismissive, and made voters like her more.

Indeed it was during her campaign against Obama, after the NH debate, that Hillary broke out in tears because he was too mean to her.

I don't believe male candidates should hit other male cadidates, either.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Wherever Republicans and the media take the conversation, the Democrats follow, taking every piece of bait.

That's why I believe they should have stopped pulling punches and attacked Rump head-on, telling it like it is, calling her opponent what he is. Even Kami knew he couldn't handle that., but she had to take the high road. Someone convinced her that overpowering a 310-lb lump of ugly fat would be unseemly for a lady. Or something like that.

And that would indeed have pissed off a lot of Americans. There are plenty of US citizens who HATE seeing a man embarrassed by a woman, for any reason. But that's all the more reason why we cannot allow these people to steer the ship. We know exactly what kind of society they'll build if they are in charge, and it isn't tolerable to any thinking person with a conscience.

I don’t think it’s hypothetical any more. We had our chance.
It would have REALLY pissed off millions of Trumpsucking dullards, for Trump to have been righteously shamed in public. But the thing that would truly be pissing them off, would have been showing their emperor to be naked. And that nakedness would have been the truth, and it would have prevailed. Perhaps not in this election cycle, but it would have hastened the backswing of the pendulum that currently holds us on the threshold of irreversible fascism.

Just to nitpick - How can there be an backswing on the pendulum if irreversible fascism occurs?

This is why I'm not convinced by the whole "let Trump supporters suffer the consequences, they'll realize they were wrong!" argument (it also doesn't take into account the damage that'll be done to the education system, which will result in millions of more idiots), and if the Polio vaccine gets revoked from approval, or banned, millions of dead or paralyzed kids. But I do like the idea of them suffering consequences regardless.

 

[Elixir]

Wherever Republicans and the media take the conversation, the Democrats follow, taking every piece of bait.

That's why I believe they should have stopped pulling punches and attacked Rump head-on, telling it like it is, calling her opponent what he is. Even Kami knew he couldn't handle that., but she had to take the high road. Someone convinced her that overpowering a 310-lb lump of ugly fat would be unseemly for a lady. Or something like that.

And that would indeed have pissed off a lot of Americans. There are plenty of US citizens who HATE seeing a man embarrassed by a woman, for any reason. But that's all the more reason why we cannot allow these people to steer the ship. We know exactly what kind of society they'll build if they are in charge, and it isn't tolerable to any thinking person with a conscience.

I don’t think it’s hypothetical any more. We had our chance.
It would have REALLY pissed off millions of Trumpsucking dullards, for Trump to have been righteously shamed in public. But the thing that would truly be pissing them off, would have been showing their emperor to be naked. And that nakedness would have been the truth, and it would have prevailed. Perhaps not in this election cycle, but it would have hastened the backswing of the pendulum that currently holds us on the threshold of irreversible fascism.

Just to nitpick - How can there be an backswing on the pendulum if irreversible fascism occurs?

This is why I'm not convinced by the whole "let Trump supporters suffer the consequences, they'll realize they were wrong!" argument (it also doesn't take into account the damage that'll be done to the education system, which will result in millions of more idiots), and if the Polio vaccine gets revoked from approval, or banned, millions of dead or paralyzed kids. But I do like the idea of them suffering consequences regardless.

Yup. We’re headed into a societal cul de sac and there may be no getting out.
Tigers!’ question is the point. There will be no “backswing” of the pendulum if the Trump junta succeeds in locking that pendulum in the far right position, by force.
A nation of stupids is all we will be, laboring under the whims of a few billionaires with no social mobility to aspire to.
Like Russia. EXACTLY like Russia. Putin has written the playbook for Trump and his greedy enablers have read it and made it their Gospel. And the sheeples who are now “the electorate” are all in favor of it because every stupid one of them thinks they are in line to be an oligarch.
The Shithole of Trumpistan is to be a glorious thing for its billionaires.

 

[SLD]

The problem with locking us in the cul de sac by force is that it can provoke a violent counter reaction. Indeed it ought to.

My one hope is that the repubs prove themselves so utterly incompetent that they destroy themselves. The last Congress couldn’t get shit done. Maybe the next one won’t either.

 

[Elixir]

My one hope is that the repubs prove themselves so utterly incompetent that they destroy themselves.

+1
I am less sanguine about that than I was last time. Cheato has learned where to place pros and how to browbeat everyone else into submission. So IMHO, we are truly fucked.