Deplorables

[TSwizzle]

A Muslim teenager accused of lying to police about being racially abused by three drunk Trump supporters on a Manhattan train appeared in court with a shaved head - an apparent punishment ordered by her Egyptian parents for bringing shame to their family.
Yasmin Seweid was arraigned at Manhattan's Criminal Court on Wednesday for falsely reporting an incident to police and obstructing governmental information. The 18-year-old claimed she was singled out by hate-spewing Trump supporters on December 1 who branded her a 'terrorist' and tried to rip off her hijab when she boarded a subway on her way home from college. She shared details of the ordeal on Facebook and won the support of other social media users. Days after reporting the crime, Seweid went missing, sparking a missing person's appeal and another large police effort. Sources say she made up the elaborate story to cover up for the fact she had been out drinking late with friends.

DailyMail

Deplorable indeed.

Of course with her credentials she will likely suffer little consequences from the courts.

 

[credoconsolans]

A Muslim teenager accused of lying to police about being racially abused by three drunk Trump supporters on a Manhattan train appeared in court with a shaved head - an apparent punishment ordered by her Egyptian parents for bringing shame to their family.
Yasmin Seweid was arraigned at Manhattan's Criminal Court on Wednesday for falsely reporting an incident to police and obstructing governmental information. The 18-year-old claimed she was singled out by hate-spewing Trump supporters on December 1 who branded her a 'terrorist' and tried to rip off her hijab when she boarded a subway on her way home from college. She shared details of the ordeal on Facebook and won the support of other social media users. Days after reporting the crime, Seweid went missing, sparking a missing person's appeal and another large police effort. Sources say she made up the elaborate story to cover up for the fact she had been out drinking late with friends.

DailyMail

Deplorable indeed.

Of course with her credentials she will likely suffer little consequences from the courts.

Most teenagers who get caught lying about being out drinking usually suffer little consequences from the courts.

 

[Derec]

Most teenagers who get caught lying about being out drinking usually suffer little consequences from the courts.

She would not be suffering consequences from the courts for going out drinking. That would be her strict Islamic parents (and she can count herself lucky they didn't honor kill her). She is facing consequences from the courts for making false allegations and wasting police time.
From NY Daily News, which is a lefty rag so you can't say they are biased against her.

Seweid claimed a white trio mocked her and tried to tear the religious garb from her head. She provided police a description of the suspects, one of whom cops at one point thought they spotted on video following her when she got off the subway at Grand Central Terminal. “She had numerous opportunities to admit nothing happened and she kept sticking by her story,” a police source said. The New Hyde Park, L.I., teen even posted an emotional account of the attack on Facebook. “I was harassed on the subway last night,” she wrote. “And it was just so dehumanizing I can’t speak about it without getting emotional.” For a while, police believed inconsistencies in her story to be nothing more than typical lapses by someone who was traumatized. But the doubts increased when detectives could not find witnesses or any significant video. Then she left home and was reported missing on Thursday — only to turn up safe and sound on Friday. Suspicion went through the roof. On Wednesday, after again being confronted with questions from detectives, she said she had made it all up, citing family problems.

Btw, this is her now.

 

[thebeave]

We had a similar situation here at San Jose State University. Pretty suspicious, but investigation is ongoing (supposedly). I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be another fake hate crime. I'd be even less surprised if the Mercury News failed to report the hoax.

http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/11/09/woman-wearing-hijab-attacked-at-san-jose-state/

This one in Louisiana was a hoax also:

http://heatst.com/culture-wars/police-hate-crime-in-louisiana-by-trump-supporters-a-hoax/

 

[Derec]

This one is also pretty suspicious.
Muslim Gwinnett teacher told to 'hang yourself' with her headscarf

 

[credoconsolans]

She would not be suffering consequences from the courts for going out drinking. That would be her strict Islamic parents (and she can count herself lucky they didn't honor kill her). She is facing consequences from the courts for making false allegations and wasting police time.

Which also happens with kids who run away to be with their boyfriends and then later claim to have been kidnapped.

Young, first offenders. They're treated very leniently by the court system.

 

[LordKiran]

She would not be suffering consequences from the courts for going out drinking. That would be her strict Islamic parents (and she can count herself lucky they didn't honor kill her). She is facing consequences from the courts for making false allegations and wasting police time.

Which also happens with kids who run away to be with their boyfriends and then later claim to have been kidnapped.

Young, first offenders. They're treated very leniently by the court system.

If they're not black that is. Black first time offenders (Or black people in general actually) often are disproportionately given harsher sentences than any other racial group in America.

 

[Shadowy Man]

She would not be suffering consequences from the courts for going out drinking. That would be her strict Islamic parents (and she can count herself lucky they didn't honor kill her). She is facing consequences from the courts for making false allegations and wasting police time.

Are honor killings common among American Muslims?

 

[Sue Sponte]

Perhaps not drawing wide reaching political conclusions from anectdotal stories would help America.

Ha! Who am I kidding.

Let's get back to facebooking political positions from discrete events that meet our confirmation bias needs.

 

[barbos]

DailyMail

Deplorable indeed.

Of course with her credentials she will likely suffer little consequences from the courts.

Most teenagers who get caught lying about being out drinking usually suffer little consequences from the courts.

In this particular case she caused expensive investigation plus potential mayhem.

 

[skepticalbip]

She would not be suffering consequences from the courts for going out drinking. That would be her strict Islamic parents (and she can count herself lucky they didn't honor kill her). She is facing consequences from the courts for making false allegations and wasting police time.

Are honor killings common among American Muslims?

Do honor killings need to be common (whatever you mean by common) in the US to be a concern? According to the DOJ, there are about twenty-five honor killings per year in the US.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/06/09/honor-killings-united-nations-pakistan/85642786/

... The Department of Justice estimated in its 2014 report that based on U.S. demographics, 23 to 27 honor killings occur in the country each year. But because of inadequate tracking systems that fail to collect necessary information on homicides, there is no reliable summary of honor killings in the U.S.

Considering the number of Muslims in the US compared to the world's population of Muslims, this sounds about normal since there is "only" something like 5000 honor killings per year worldwide.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Are honor killings common among American Muslims?

Do honor killings need to be common (whatever you mean by common) in the US to be a concern? According to the DOJ, there are about twenty-five honor killings per year in the US.

Derec said "she can count herself lucky they didn't honor kill her". If it's extremely uncommon, then it's really not luck, now is it? If it's very common, then perhaps it was luck. So, in the relevance of the quote and my response, how common it is was very important.

As to your question whether it should be a concern in the US, of course it should. As should any murder and domestic abuse. You say there are twenty-five honor killings per year. Assuming that number is true, it likely represents a small portion of domestic murders in this country, and certainly a small percentage of total murders. However, it seems to get a disproportionate amount of attention primarily because of the anti-Muslim rhetoric that goes on in this country.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Are honor killings common among American Muslims?

Do honor killings need to be common (whatever you mean by common) in the US to be a concern?

To be a common concern when broad brushing a religion, yes.

 

[skepticalbip]

Do honor killings need to be common (whatever you mean by common) in the US to be a concern?

To be a common concern when broad brushing a religion, yes.

WTF? Religious nuts of any faith should be and are criticized. Why should Muslims be exempt?

 

[Derec]

Derec said "she can count herself lucky they didn't honor kill her". If it's extremely uncommon, then it's really not luck, now is it?

They already cut all her hair because she has a Christian boyfriend. That shows a certain radicalism already.

As to your question whether it should be a concern in the US, of course it should. As should any murder and domestic abuse. You say there are twenty-five honor killings per year. Assuming that number is true, it likely represents a small portion of domestic murders in this country, and certainly a small percentage of total murders. However, it seems to get a disproportionate amount of attention primarily because of the anti-Muslim rhetoric that goes on in this country.

As opposed to burying negative stories about Islam and pretending they are insignificant.

 

[skepticalbip]

Do honor killings need to be common (whatever you mean by common) in the US to be a concern? According to the DOJ, there are about twenty-five honor killings per year in the US.

Derec said "she can count herself lucky they didn't honor kill her". If it's extremely uncommon, then it's really not luck, now is it? If it's very common, then perhaps it was luck. So, in the relevance of the quote and my response, how common it is was very important.

As to your question whether it should be a concern in the US, of course it should. As should any murder and domestic abuse. You say there are twenty-five honor killings per year. Assuming that number is true, it likely represents a small portion of domestic murders in this country, and certainly a small percentage of total murders. However, it seems to get a disproportionate amount of attention primarily because of the anti-Muslim rhetoric that goes on in this country.

The Muslim population in the US is about 1% of the US population and the 25 honor killings/yr is from the US Department of Justice.

Let's assume that there were a Christian, Shinto, Jewish, or Hindu sect in the US that made up 1% of the US population and they were killing 25 of their children each year because of the teachings of their sect, do you imagine that there would be any criticism of them? Would you find them worthy of criticism?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Derec said "she can count herself lucky they didn't honor kill her". If it's extremely uncommon, then it's really not luck, now is it? If it's very common, then perhaps it was luck. So, in the relevance of the quote and my response, how common it is was very important.

As to your question whether it should be a concern in the US, of course it should. As should any murder and domestic abuse. You say there are twenty-five honor killings per year. Assuming that number is true, it likely represents a small portion of domestic murders in this country, and certainly a small percentage of total murders. However, it seems to get a disproportionate amount of attention primarily because of the anti-Muslim rhetoric that goes on in this country.

The Muslim population in the US is about 1% of the US population and the 25 honor killings/yr is from the US Department of Justice.

Let's assume that there were a Christian, Shinto, Jewish, or Hindu sect in the US that made up 1% of the US population and they were killing 25 of their children each year because of the teachings of their sect, do you imagine that there would be any criticism of them? Would you find them worthy of criticism?

Strawmen are fun to burn. Let's bring out the torches!

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Derec said "she can count herself lucky they didn't honor kill her". If it's extremely uncommon, then it's really not luck, now is it? If it's very common, then perhaps it was luck. So, in the relevance of the quote and my response, how common it is was very important.

As to your question whether it should be a concern in the US, of course it should. As should any murder and domestic abuse. You say there are twenty-five honor killings per year. Assuming that number is true, it likely represents a small portion of domestic murders in this country, and certainly a small percentage of total murders. However, it seems to get a disproportionate amount of attention primarily because of the anti-Muslim rhetoric that goes on in this country.

The Muslim population in the US is about 1% of the US population and the 25 honor killings/yr is from the US Department of Justice.

Let's assume that there were a Christian, Shinto, Jewish, or Hindu sect in the US that made up 1% of the US population and they were killing 25 of their children each year because of the teachings of their sect, do you imagine that there would be any criticism of them? Would you find them worthy of criticism?

Just 25 kids in a nation the size of the USA? I would not be at all surprised if there are move kids killed by crazy christians. Jehova's witnesses denying blood transfusions, extreme child abuse leading to death caused by other zealots of other brands of Christianity, etc.

 

[skepticalbip]

The Muslim population in the US is about 1% of the US population and the 25 honor killings/yr is from the US Department of Justice.

Let's assume that there were a Christian, Shinto, Jewish, or Hindu sect in the US that made up 1% of the US population and they were killing 25 of their children each year because of the teachings of their sect, do you imagine that there would be any criticism of them? Would you find them worthy of criticism?

Just 25 kids in a nation the size of the USA? I would not be at all surprised if there are move kids killed by crazy christians. Jehova's witnesses denying blood transfusions, extreme child abuse leading to death caused by other zealots of other brands of Christianity, etc.

Absolutely, and the JW are continually and rightly condemned for insanity such as this even though they are not intentionally killing their kids but foolishly believe they are saving their kids. Even though the result is the same, killing wasn't the purposeful intent, unlike the case you are comparing this to.

I assume that you condemn the JW for their religious beliefs that condone harm to others (I do). Do you also condemn Muslims for their beliefs that condone harm to others?

 

[Shadowy Man]

Do you also condemn Muslims for their beliefs that condone harm to others?

All Muslims who believe in honor killings should be condemned. But not all Muslims believe in honor killings.