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Dick's Sporting Goods are gun-grabbers! To arms! To arms! The jack-booted thugs are coming to your house!

 
 
 
Black homosexual females that are 18, 19, or 20 years of age who try to buy a gun from them and are denied should sue the hell out of them.
 
fast said:
Black homosexual females that are 18, 19, or 20 years of age who try to buy a gun from them and are denied should sue the hell out of them.
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So we should sue retailers for not having guns on their shelves?

And why did you feel the need to mention black homosexuals? Oh, right. Because loss of privilege feels like oppression to you, and you think that comment is going to make everyone feel sorry for you for being the "real victim," right?

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RavenSky said:
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Following the 2012 shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, that left 20 children and six adults dead, Dick’s suspended the sale of certain kinds of semi-automatic rifles. But the suspension wasn’t permanent and such rifles were later sold at the company’s Field & Stream stores.
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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/28/17061618/dicks-sporting-goods-parkland-gun-sales
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Well fuck.

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Oh, and on the general topic of guns:

 
Underseer said:
And why did you feel the need to mention black homosexuals?
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because a company deciding not to sell a certain product to anyone, regardless of race, religion, orientation, across the board, is JUST LIKE bakers discriminating against gays because their invisible skybuddy singles them out...
 
Underseer said:
So we should sue retailers for not having guns on their shelves?

And why did you feel the need to mention black homosexuals? Oh, right. Because loss of privilege feels like oppression to you, and you think that comment is going to make everyone feel sorry for you for being the "real victim," right?

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RavenSky said:
:humph:



https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/28/17061618/dicks-sporting-goods-parkland-gun-sales
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Well fuck.

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Oh, and on the general topic of guns:

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Denied.

The operative word is "denied."

If I go to buy a Pepsi from an establishment that only sells Coke, I'm not being denied (denied, I say) what I want. They will not fulfill my request, but that's not a denial. If (on the other hand) I walk into an establishment that does sell Pepsi but they refuse to sell it to me, then I am being denied.

They spoke of increasing the age limit from 18 to 21. If they do that, that doesn't mean they will not have guns on their shelves.
 
Keith&Co. said:
Underseer said:
And why did you feel the need to mention black homosexuals?
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because a company deciding not to sell a certain product to anyone, regardless of race, religion, orientation, across the board, is JUST LIKE bakers discriminating against gays because their invisible skybuddy singles them out...
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The reason I added "black", "homosexual," and "female" along with "18,19, and 20" was two-fold: a) to reduce the sheer number of lawsuits, lol), and b) to highlight that age discrimination is at play--it's not the moral implications that struck me but the flagrant disregard for age as a basis of discrimination. It doesn't matter what moral ground you stand on, businesses oughtn't discriminate against any protected class the public could care less about infringing upon.
 
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The reason I added "black", "homosexual," and "female" along with "18,19, and 20" was two-fold: a) to reduce the sheer number of lawsuits, lol), and b) to highlight that age discrimination is at play
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Since businesses have used age limits at least for my entire life, I doubt that any actual protected class is being targeted, here.
Else, why haven't you incited riot that black lesbian adolescents can't buy girlie mags at Barnes & Noble?

I suspect, actually, that you're trying to paint blacks and homosexuals as groups that have a very low threshold for offense and actively seek out situations where they can cry 'Discrimination!'
 
Keith&Co. said:
Since businesses have used age limits at least for my entire life, I doubt that any actual protected class is being targeted, here.
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Age limits backed by codified laws!

How numbers became law (in terms of age), arbitrary or not, is the benchmark for us to go by. For instance, a business engaged in the business of selling tobacco can't arbitrarily choose to sell to people under 18 any more they can up the age to 19, 20, 21, 22, or any other possibly random number.

Businesses engaged in selling alchoholic beverages can't refuse service to people under 30 years of age for whatever reason they have. They can lawfully discriminate against those under 21, but not those 21 or above.

So, yes, businesses do discriminate based on age, but they do so lawfully. If Dick's raise the age requirement in which they sell guns, they are not doing so lawfully.
 
fast said:
Underseer said:
So we should sue retailers for not having guns on their shelves?

And why did you feel the need to mention black homosexuals? Oh, right. Because loss of privilege feels like oppression to you, and you think that comment is going to make everyone feel sorry for you for being the "real victim," right?

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RavenSky said:
:humph:



https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/28/17061618/dicks-sporting-goods-parkland-gun-sales
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Well fuck.

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Oh, and on the general topic of guns:

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Denied.

The operative word is "denied."

If I go to buy a Pepsi from an establishment that only sells Coke, I'm not being denied (denied, I say) what I want. They will not fulfill my request, but that's not a denial. If (on the other hand) I walk into an establishment that does sell Pepsi but they refuse to sell it to me, then I am being denied.

They spoke of increasing the age limit from 18 to 21. If they do that, that doesn't mean they will not have guns on their shelves.
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Are you suggesting that gun stores sell to straight white men, but not to black lesbians?

I wouldn't doubt that this were the case given that most gun store owners are probably FOX News zombies, but I have not specifically heard of any such thing, and I especially have not heard of any sporting goods stores doing anything like that.

Are you sure this wasn't another "asking people to not be racist counts as persecution of white people" arguments?
 
Underseer said:
fast said:
Denied.

The operative word is "denied."

If I go to buy a Pepsi from an establishment that only sells Coke, I'm not being denied (denied, I say) what I want. They will not fulfill my request, but that's not a denial. If (on the other hand) I walk into an establishment that does sell Pepsi but they refuse to sell it to me, then I am being denied.

They spoke of increasing the age limit from 18 to 21. If they do that, that doesn't mean they will not have guns on their shelves.
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Are you suggesting that gun stores sell to straight white men, but not to black lesbians?

I wouldn't doubt that this were the case given that most gun store owners are probably FOX News zombies, but I have not specifically heard of any such thing, and I especially have not heard of any sporting goods stores doing anything like that.

Are you sure this wasn't another "asking people to not be racist counts as persecution of white people" arguments?
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Okay. Okay. I was a bit cryptic, but there was no nefarious intent, so let me start over.

I'll be back
 
fast said:
Keith&Co. said:
Since businesses have used age limits at least for my entire life, I doubt that any actual protected class is being targeted, here.
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Age limits backed by codified laws!

How numbers became law (in terms of age), arbitrary or not, is the benchmark for us to go by. For instance, a business engaged in the business of selling tobacco can't arbitrarily choose to sell to people under 18 any more they can up the age to 19, 20, 21, 22, or any other possibly random number.

Businesses engaged in selling alchoholic beverages can't refuse service to people under 30 years of age for whatever reason they have. They can lawfully discriminate against those under 21, but not those 21 or above.

So, yes, businesses do discriminate based on age, but they do so lawfully. If Dick's raise the age requirement in which they sell guns, they are not doing so lawfully.
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Try renting a car as an 18 year old. It's very hard. Nobody's suing the rental car companies over this.
 
Keith&Co. said:
Underseer said:
And why did you feel the need to mention black homosexuals?
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because a company deciding not to sell a certain product to anyone, regardless of race, religion, orientation, across the board, is JUST LIKE bakers discriminating against gays because their invisible skybuddy singles them out...
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It's almost as if, they really don't value the free market like they say they do. GOP congressmen threatening Delta tax breaks, complaints about Dick's sporting goods...

Got to hand it to the kids, these are business decisions, really, not moral ones, but this is more movement we've seen on the issue than in a long time.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
fast said:
Keith&Co. said:
Since businesses have used age limits at least for my entire life, I doubt that any actual protected class is being targeted, here.
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Age limits backed by codified laws!

How numbers became law (in terms of age), arbitrary or not, is the benchmark for us to go by. For instance, a business engaged in the business of selling tobacco can't arbitrarily choose to sell to people under 18 any more they can up the age to 19, 20, 21, 22, or any other possibly random number.

Businesses engaged in selling alchoholic beverages can't refuse service to people under 30 years of age for whatever reason they have. They can lawfully discriminate against those under 21, but not those 21 or above.

So, yes, businesses do discriminate based on age, but they do so lawfully. If Dick's raise the age requirement in which they sell guns, they are not doing so lawfully.
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Try renting a car as an 18 year old. It's very hard. Nobody's suing the rental car companies over this.
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There's a difference between saying "we will not rent you a car because you don't have a credit card" and "we will not rent you a car because you are 19 years old." Even if the intent is to discriminate based on age by denying rentals to those less likely to have a credit card, the discrimination is indirect. It's not as flagrant as explicitly denying rentals based on age.

Dick's is talking about being up front and direct about discrimination on the basis of age. It makes me wonder if those taken back and disgusted with discrimination actually have a problem with it. It seems more likely they only have a problem with discrimination that is against what they seem is important.

There may not be many lawsuits over age discrimination when the age discriminated against is such that few older adults will stand by their cause, but let it be something that is important to older folks, then you'll see more backing.
 
fast said:
Underseer said:
fast said:
Denied.

The operative word is "denied."

If I go to buy a Pepsi from an establishment that only sells Coke, I'm not being denied (denied, I say) what I want. They will not fulfill my request, but that's not a denial. If (on the other hand) I walk into an establishment that does sell Pepsi but they refuse to sell it to me, then I am being denied.

They spoke of increasing the age limit from 18 to 21. If they do that, that doesn't mean they will not have guns on their shelves.
Click to expand...

Are you suggesting that gun stores sell to straight white men, but not to black lesbians?

I wouldn't doubt that this were the case given that most gun store owners are probably FOX News zombies, but I have not specifically heard of any such thing, and I especially have not heard of any sporting goods stores doing anything like that.

Are you sure this wasn't another "asking people to not be racist counts as persecution of white people" arguments?
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Okay. Okay. I was a bit cryptic, but there was no nefarious intent, so let me start over.

I'll be back
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Objection to discrimination is a farce. People have no problem with discrimination per se. They say they do, but it's all bullshit. It's just a word to throw out there. When the discrimination is felt unimportant, the arguments against it are nil.

If you are black and want to buy a product that is offered to whites only, then Houston, there is a backlash that is in the works as we speak. Homosexual and denied because of it, there is a problem of incredible proportions just around the corner. Females can't do this or that because they don't have the right parts? Well, trouble will be knocking on your door pretty soon. All these potential ways to discrimate and still, it's not about discrimination per se.

If it was, then how dare people be in favor of it?
 
fast said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Try renting a car as an 18 year old. It's very hard. Nobody's suing the rental car companies over this.
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There's a difference between saying "we will not rent you a car because you don't have a credit card" and "we will not rent you a car because you are 19 years old." Even if the intent is to discriminate based on age by denying rentals to those less likely to have a credit card, the discrimination is indirect. It's not as flagrant as explicitly denying rentals based on age.

Dick's is talking about being up front and direct about discrimination on the basis of age. It makes me wonder if those taken back and disgusted with discrimination actually have a problem with it. It seems more likely they only have a problem with discrimination that is against what they seem is important.

There may not be many lawsuits over age discrimination when the age discriminated against is such that few older adults will stand by their cause, but let it be something that is important to older folks, then you'll see more backing.
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See the words "credit card" in what I wrote?

I said 18, I meant 18. It's quite possible for an 18 year old to have a perfectly good credit card, although likely as an authorized user on their parent's card. A quick Google turns up:

https://www.enterprise.com/en/help/faqs/car-rental-under-25.html

Note that 18-20 simply can't rent from them except in the states that mandate it--and in those states there is a hefty young renter fee. 21-24 gets surcharged.

https://www.hertz.com/rentacar/misc/index.jsp?targetPage=Hertz_Renting_to_Drivers_Under_25.jsp

18-19 can only rent in those states that mandate it. Again, young driver fee.

That should be enough to make my point.
 
Okay. You said, "nobody's suing the rental car companies over this." Isn't that not only discrimination (which is what's purportedly frowned upon) but also against federal laws designed to protect us (wait, them) from such things?
 
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