Do Atheists believe in Heaven?

[bilby]

Jaryn

Is there any difference between saying 'I see no evidence for a any god so I do not believe in any god' and 'I know factually there are no gods' ?

There's a big difference.

A theist interprets reality and sees a god, an at5eist interprets reality and sees no god. Are either perspective factual?

Depends on how "god" is defined.

I do not think so. A god hypothesis is neither provable nor disprovable.

Again, that depends on the hypothesis.

It's provable (for example) that substance dualism is false; And from this it logically follows that any 'afterlife' concept is pure fiction.

It's also provable that no all powerful, all knowing entity that opposes human suffering can exist.

And it's (surprisingly) true that EITHER no gods intervene in human affairs, OR quantum field theory is very seriously wrong (it's not, we checked).

It's not provable nor disprovable that our universe was created by an intelligent agent - though it does seem like a very far-fetched idea, and leads either to an infinite regress, or to the conclusion that somewhere in the chain of universes, there is one that either arose spontaneously, or is eternal.

And of course, there's zero evidence that we are in a created, rather than an eternal or natural, universe. Positing a creator flies in the face of parsimony (and is of little or no import, given the provable non-existence of both divine intervention and an afterlife. If a god created our universe, it's not still around to care about what we do therein.

 

[bilby]

I think it is irrational to be a strong atheist, or a strong theist, without a fair grasp of both Quantum Field Theory and Cosmology, and an understanding of the experimental underpinnings of those theories.

If you haven't studied how reality (or any given aspect of reality) works, it isn't rational to hold any strong opinions about it.

There are a handful of irrationally strong atheists, who believe in the non-existence of gods; Those people are no less stupid than the very large number of irrationally strong theists, who believe in gods. The irrational strong atheists are right; But they are right by mistake, like the student who simplifies 16/64 to 1/4 by striking the sixes.

 

[Elixir]

It's also provable that no all powerful, all knowing entity that opposes human suffering can exist.

Ok so it's maybe it's almost all powerful.
Or maybe this is the minimum possible amount of human suffering possible in a universe governed by immutable laws, unfortunately (for us) imposed by the all powerful god. So maybe the god could stop suffering, but would have to scrap the universe where the suffering occurs.
Or maybe the all powerful god has a mean boss who is even more all powerful.

 

[steve_bank]

Atheists say the theists [roof of a god are subjective. Their evde3mce is subjective.

Atheists then say things like science proves a god does not excist, which it can't. Then say Or tngs lke the universe is a simulation and so on.

The teleological argument, the universe can not possibly exist without a god, therefore a god must exist.

The atheist flip side, a god can not possibly exist therefore a god does not exist.

I look at reality and from interpreting what we know from demonstrated science I conclude tehre is no need for a god or a creator. It is what I think, but I can not objectively prove it.

A god like YAHWEH or the Greek gods have powers that transcends our physics. After all if YAHWEH created our reality and the physics we deduce, he can obviously bend it at his will.

There are as many logical ways around a poof god does not exist as there are of proofs for the existence of god.

That my atheist view in the end is philosophical and subjective does not trouble me in the least.

Logic alone is not a proof. One can create a syllogism without logical faults to prove or disprove god. Given the assumed validity of the premises the concision logically follows.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Some fun Aztec gods:
Tozancol - god of gophers
The Centzontotochtin - the 400 gods of pulque (agave wine)
Macuilcozcacuauhtli - god of gluttony (my theory is either that, A, if you took the time to learn his name and how to write it, it would take you away from your meals long enough for Mac, etc. to eat all your food, or B, if you chanted his name over and over it would induce a good purging vomit, after which you could gorge some more. One of those has got to be true.)

Some fun Norse gods:
Gefjon - goddess of ploughing
Ullr - god of skiing

Some fun Roman gods:
Cardea - goddess of door hinges
Fornax - goddess of ovens (she signed a deal to do Easy-Off commercials)
Helernus - god of beans
Robigus - god of stem rust (a grain disease)

And also:
Aristaeus - Greek god of dairy and cheesemaking
Havria - Chinese goddess of salt

I'll conclude with the magic pattern of three:
Man creates gods. Man creates gods. Man creates gods.