untermensche
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No, mind is the basic observation, like the ball falling.
There may be explanation on top of the basic observation but the explanation cannot change the basic observation.
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No, mind is the basic observation, like the ball falling.
There may be explanation on top of the basic observation but the explanation cannot change the basic observation.
No. "Mind" is not observed. Thoughts, actions, feelings are observed but not "mind".
untermensche
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A more precise word would be "experienced", but the meaning is the same.
We have the "experience" of the ball dropping. If it is related to our visual system we call that experience, "observation".
But mind is THE basic experience. There must of course be some kind of explanation for the experience, at least that is the logical expectation.
But the explanation cannot change the basic experience.
Just as no explanation of gravity can change the experience of gravity.
Mind IS the experience of mind.
No matter how mind is explained it will always BE the experience of mind. That is what it is.
untermensche
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While it would be nice to be able to explain the experience.
No explanation is necessary to know there is the experience.
And once again, it is not possible to have the experience of things that don't exist.
No explanation is necessary to know there is the experience.
And once again, it is not possible to have the experience of things that don't exist.
untermensche
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I have a daily experience of my mind.
And so do you. You couldn't respond, even as badly as you do, without one.
George S
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The first step out of solipsism is the acknowledgement that not only "I Am" but "Thou Art." Once free from being the only instance of I am one might soon discover that part of being a human being being human is interactions with other humans being human too. Experiencing mind the same way.
Which is obvious nonsens.
untermensche
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Since you offer no position I can only take this as some childish outburst.
But please show me the explanation of gravity that changes the experience of gravity.
That would be interesting.
sadly you need to be educated that the brain is responsible for thought and motor control
"Gravity" is well defined and rooted in an actual physical phenomen. It describes the forces between masses.
There is no corresponding "rooting" for "mind".
There are people observing ghosts, yet there are no ghosts.
Dont confuse phenomen with concept.
works with the critters...
untermensche
Contributor
It is only an analogy.
The point is, we know gravity exists through the experience, usually visual but if we jump or fall the experience is tactile and proprioceptive.
The same is true with mind. We know it exists through the experience.
This thread is not about defining what a mind is, only that it exists.
in what capacity does a mind exist?
ca·pac·i·ty
kəˈpasədē/
noun
noun: capacity
1.
the maximum amount that something can contain.
"the capacity of the freezer is 1.1 cubic feet"
2.
the ability or power to do, experience, or understand something.
untermensche
Contributor
That is entirely irrelevant to this thread.
I wonder why you bring it up?
You have something in mind I suppose.
you want to not talk about what a mind is and now you don't want to talk about the existence of a mind
this is grand
it only took 28 pages
well done
untermensche
Contributor
Perhaps you should read the title of the thread.
Why do you think something has to be explained to know it exists?
Why don't you try to prove that. Prove that we must fully explain something before we can know it exists. If you do that you will do more than complain.
What you experience as your mind IS your mind.
On one level that is what it is and no amount of explanation will change it.
Just as no amount of explanation changes the experience of gravity.