Does anyone actually believe Trump?

[Keith&Co.]

I mean, i kniw people that repeat what he says, but they are quite prepared to shift their stance when he does.

This is unusual for these people. Usually, once they pick ip an idea or a stance on something, that's it. Evolution is a lie, no matte r how much evidence you provide.
Vaccines cause autism.
There is no gender pay gap.
That one teletubbie is a gay icon, and all gays are obsessed with feces.
And so on.

But Bonespurs keeps shifting positions. I did not do it,
Becomes i did it, but not illegal,
Becomes it's illegal but everybody does it,
And so on.

Or, in January, the coronavirus was 'just one individual flying into tyhe US,' whivh morphed thru 'we're on top of it' and 'it's controlled' thru '15 cases, we have it contained,' to March, 'we were blindsided.'

And the trumpettes shift position right along with him. From 'no quid pro quo' to 'the quid fully justified by Biden's corruption.'

So the information is not being held in the 'belief' part of the brain, where they take cherished stands and defend them to their death. They seem to be more a system of Yellow Stickys with 'today i believe' which get replaced as necessary when The Orange Shitgibbon has to retreat a step.

Or so it seems to me.

 

[Rhea]

it is truly a thing to behold. But I am personally acquainted with some of these folks. And they truly believe him. And they then truly believe the new thing, completely forgetting their earlier true belief. Their reality changes.

 

[Keith&Co.]

it is truly a thing to behold. But I am personally acquainted with some of these folks. And they truly believe him. And they then truly believe the new thing, completely forgetting their earlier true belief. Their reality changes.

I just cannot grasp that.
There should be some investment. They are on record saying, for example, there WAS NO QUID PRO QUO. Insisting on it. Only libtards saw Quid in the transcript. But later, they turn completely around. And still act like they haven't changed.
Howcan they get dressed in the morning if their brains are Play-Doh?

 

[Horatio Parker]

There is no truth no reality. There is only TRUMP.

 

[southernhybrid]

My brother in law, who is a dentist, continues to strongly support Trump. My husband called him two days ago and they got into a big argument about Trump's competence. Unfortunately, there are still a lot of people, especially life long Republicans who believe every word that comes out of that idiot's mouth. And, my brother in law isn't even a Republican. He's always been a swing voter.

Trump is a very effective cult leader and it's hard to draw people away from a cult.

 

[Keith&Co.]

There is no truth no reality. There is only TRUMP.

There is no spoon...?

 

[Keith&Co.]

... who believe every word that comes out of that idiot's mouth.

And thgat's just it. You cannot do that. He contradicts himself, so you cannot simultaneously believe he was correct to do something he also never did.
So i don't think 'belief' is the word.

It's more that they accept a variable, a placeholder for facts to be defined later.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

... who believe every word that comes out of that idiot's mouth.

And thgat's just it. You cannot do that. He contradicts himself, so you cannot simultaneously believe he was correct to do something he also never did.
So i don't think 'belief' is the word.

It's more that they accept a variable, a placeholder for facts to be defined later.

But the videos of him saying different things are just a librul conspiracy being spread by the fake news media by Hillary and Obama.

 

[Jarhyn]

If Trump said the sky was blue, I would look out a window expecting it not to be.

 

[abaddon]

There's a difference between opinion and belief. Trumpism and creationism are sets of beliefs. But the change from one lie to another is opinion. The one has to stay stable, the other can change every day.

Beliefs support a life for the whole length of its life, one holds a belief because it makes his whole existence make sense. So a creationist changing his creationist stance would overturn everything he thinks he is.

Opinions have to flex to make an unstable belief system ("Trump's the greatest") seem stable. Trump changes in whatever way suits his belief that he's great, and it's exactly mirrored by his followers. Opinions help in two ways: 1) the brain doesn't have to expend calories to think; and 2) the sense of belonging to the right people and (maybe more importantly) of NOT belonging to the wrong people (the democrats, the radical left, the socialists, the jews, the blacks, the gays, the feminists, PC culture) is sustained by mimicking the latest turd from Der Fuhrer.

"They're lying about this" one day changes to "they're lying about that" the next day to protect the belief that Trump's a stable genius.

IOW the basic beliefs stay the same, the minor beliefs that support them change as necessary. You're wondering why their beliefs change, and the answer is that not all "information" is equal.

 

[abaddon]

If Trump said the sky was blue, I would look out a window expecting it not to be.

Yeah, it's kinda this except in reverse. You expect lies from Trump so if he said a truth it'd upset your belief about Trump. Trumpers do the opposite.

 

[Keith&Co.]

... who believe every word that comes out of that idiot's mouth.

And thgat's just it. You cannot do that. He contradicts himself, so you cannot simultaneously believe he was correct to do something he also never did.
So i don't think 'belief' is the word.

It's more that they accept a variable, a placeholder for facts to be defined later.

But the videos of him saying different things are just a librul conspiracy being spread by the fake news media by Hillary and Obama.

That would then make Half-Life, for example, part of the fake news conspiracy, for quoting and defending Little Donny before and after the shift in heading.

 

[Keith&Co.]

There's a difference between opinion and belief. Trumpism and creationism are sets of beliefs. But the change from one lie to another is opinion. The one has to stay stable, the other can change every day.

Beliefs support a life for the whole length of its life, one holds a belief because it makes his whole existence make sense. So a creationist changing his creationist stance would overturn everything he thinks he is.

Opinions have to flex to make an unstable belief system ("Trump's the greatest") seem stable. Trump changes in whatever way suits his belief that he's great, and it's exactly mirrored by his followers. Opinions help in two ways: 1) the brain doesn't have to expend calories to think; and 2) the sense of belonging to the right people and (maybe more importantly) of NOT belonging to the wrong people (the democrats, the radical left, the socialists, the jews, the blacks, the gays, the feminists, PC culture) is sustained by mimicking the latest turd from Der Fuhrer.

If reality contradicts them, then belief steps in to protect itself and the opinions: other people are part of a conspiracy - ie, "fake news". "They're lying about this" on day changes to "they're lying about that" on the next day to protect the belief that Trump's a stable genius.

(Maybe that explains it.)

So, the original concern remains. Or perhaps better:
Do those who believe in Trump actually believe Trump?

 

[Bronzeage]

There's a difference between opinion and belief. Trumpism and creationism are sets of beliefs. But the change from one lie to another is opinion. The one has to stay stable, the other can change every day.

Beliefs support a life for the whole length of its life, one holds a belief because it makes his whole existence make sense. So a creationist changing his creationist stance would overturn everything he thinks he is.

Opinions have to flex to make an unstable belief system ("Trump's the greatest") seem stable. Trump changes in whatever way suits his belief that he's great, and it's exactly mirrored by his followers. Opinions help in two ways: 1) the brain doesn't have to expend calories to think; and 2) the sense of belonging to the right people and (maybe more importantly) of NOT belonging to the wrong people (the democrats, the radical left, the socialists, the jews, the blacks, the gays, the feminists, PC culture) is sustained by mimicking the latest turd from Der Fuhrer.

If reality contradicts them, then belief steps in to protect itself and the opinions: other people are part of a conspiracy - ie, "fake news". "They're lying about this" on day changes to "they're lying about that" on the next day to protect the belief that Trump's a stable genius.

(Maybe that explains it.)

So, the original concern remains. Or perhaps better:
Do those who believe in Trump actually believe Trump?

I post regularly on another forum which is an adjunct to a porn site. For some reason, there's a lot of political discussion on this board and a lot of Trump supporters. Over the past 3 years,or so, I have offered a challenge to all. I ask for anyone to declare they believe Trump is an honest man whose word can be trusted. This results in a lot of prevarication and evasion. The most common response is to normalize dishonesty and declare that all politicians lie.

I think the key to understanding Trump supporters is to realize that the social and cultural shifts in the US during the 50s and 60s, left a lot of people behind. There was a time when racism was considered a respectable political and philosophical position. It was even backed up by science, depending on whose science one preferred. The civil rights movement resulted in a shift which made racism appear to be the result of ignorance.

People will tolerate a lot of things for their political beliefs, but being labeled ignorant is not one of them. The former words which were familiar to racist arguments were replaced with words such as crime, welfare, and lately, socialism. Trump uses these words and his supporters know what he means. They don't expect him to speak the truth because they know they cannot speak the truth. They do believe they know what he's really saying.

How they reconcile his continued lies about factual things is still a bit of a mystery, but once you accept one lie for expediency, how does one distinguish it from the rest?

 

[Horatio Parker]

There is no truth no reality. There is only TRUMP.

There is no spoon...?

Only for believers...

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

How they reconcile his continued lies about factual things is still a bit of a mystery, but once you accept one lie for expediency, how does one distinguish it from the rest?

I think they compartmentalize. Trump appeals to their emotions which makes them feel good. The folks I know who support Bonespurs do so because he shares their racist tendencies.

 

[repoman]

Bronzeage, on post #14 you left off race based affirmative action, both government and corporate over and above legal (read judicial activist forced by this cohort) requirements. That is the real stickler.


However, Trump is fair in promoting his black surgeon general who is as dumb and craven as any white guy he would appointed instead.

People somehow think Trump will, for example, pull all crisis supply production of most needed medicine to the US. This is what even De Blasio advocates for.

They want a Sanders for some internal aspects and a Hitler on the border.

 

[Patooka]

There's a difference between opinion and belief. Trumpism and creationism are sets of beliefs. But the change from one lie to another is opinion. The one has to stay stable, the other can change every day.

Beliefs support a life for the whole length of its life, one holds a belief because it makes his whole existence make sense. So a creationist changing his creationist stance would overturn everything he thinks he is.

Opinions have to flex to make an unstable belief system ("Trump's the greatest") seem stable. Trump changes in whatever way suits his belief that he's great, and it's exactly mirrored by his followers. Opinions help in two ways: 1) the brain doesn't have to expend calories to think; and 2) the sense of belonging to the right people and (maybe more importantly) of NOT belonging to the wrong people (the democrats, the radical left, the socialists, the jews, the blacks, the gays, the feminists, PC culture) is sustained by mimicking the latest turd from Der Fuhrer.

If reality contradicts them, then belief steps in to protect itself and the opinions: other people are part of a conspiracy - ie, "fake news". "They're lying about this" on day changes to "they're lying about that" on the next day to protect the belief that Trump's a stable genius.

(Maybe that explains it.)

So, the original concern remains. Or perhaps better:
Do those who believe in Trump actually believe Trump?

We are two pages in this discussion and still not a single Trump supporter has chimed in. You know the answer.

 

[repoman]

 

[Half-Life]

There's a difference between opinion and belief. Trumpism and creationism are sets of beliefs. But the change from one lie to another is opinion. The one has to stay stable, the other can change every day.

Beliefs support a life for the whole length of its life, one holds a belief because it makes his whole existence make sense. So a creationist changing his creationist stance would overturn everything he thinks he is.

Opinions have to flex to make an unstable belief system ("Trump's the greatest") seem stable. Trump changes in whatever way suits his belief that he's great, and it's exactly mirrored by his followers. Opinions help in two ways: 1) the brain doesn't have to expend calories to think; and 2) the sense of belonging to the right people and (maybe more importantly) of NOT belonging to the wrong people (the democrats, the radical left, the socialists, the jews, the blacks, the gays, the feminists, PC culture) is sustained by mimicking the latest turd from Der Fuhrer.

If reality contradicts them, then belief steps in to protect itself and the opinions: other people are part of a conspiracy - ie, "fake news". "They're lying about this" on day changes to "they're lying about that" on the next day to protect the belief that Trump's a stable genius.

(Maybe that explains it.)

So, the original concern remains. Or perhaps better:
Do those who believe in Trump actually believe Trump?

We are two pages in this discussion and still not a single Trump supporter has chimed in. You know the answer.

Trump tells it like it is. He doesn't sugar coat things. That's why we like him.

Remember when Obama said, "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor?" People believed him and it was a lie.