Epstein Didn’t Kill Himself

[Terrell]

This has what exactly to do with the media's interest in covering this story? That is what I was talking about.

Then why did you end it with:

I don't think they want to dig deeper, and I don't know what they'd find if they did.

I laid out what they'd find if they did. Actually, I laid out what they found when they dug deeper. So, on no level does what you were evidently alluding to obtain. They dug, they found, they reported.

So, again, unless you can account for everything I laid out, there is nothing deeper. He killed himself rather than face 45 years of gang rape and/or being beaten to death.

I don't trust the media to be objective & truthful that was the point. Hence forget being in quotes. Amy Robach's hot mic moment doesn't help. (She said that the media quashed her story on Epstein), so I don't put it past them to "forget" about this case as soon as it's convenient to do so.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/469042-abcs-robach-caught-on-hot-mic-claiming-network-killed-epstein-story-3-years

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/abc-news-amy-robach-jeffrey-epstein-reporting-killed_n_5dc1c3b7e4b0b0861f8f85e9

https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-nw-abc-jeffrey-epstein-story-amy-robach-20191105-tftzaugx55d6thx6gkxihsezbm-story.html



I stated upthread, post #14, that I didn't believe that Epstein committed suicide. I didn't claim any specific actor to be behind it, and explicitly stated as much. My point is that I doubt we'll ever know the truth, in full.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Epstein killed himself because prison didn't suit him and there was no way out. While he likely had lots of dirt on lots of important people, exposing that dirt would be complicated.

The big problem with the media isn't covering up his alleged murder... but covering up their own cover up of Epstein... one of the biggest upper circle widespread secrets in the US that, much like Weinstein, they refused to expose.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

My point is that I doubt we'll ever know the truth, in full.

Yes, I know. And my counterpoint to yours is that, we do know the case in full, unless and until you can make a convincing argument that accounts for everything I laid out.

 

[Jarhyn]

Epstein killed himself because prison didn't suit him and there was no way out. While he likely had lots of dirt on lots of important people, exposing that dirt would be complicated.

The big problem with the media isn't covering up his alleged murder... but covering up their own cover up of Epstein... one of the biggest upper circle widespread secrets in the US that, much like Weinstein, they refused to expose.

The American public, and the public of the world at large, had a right to answers, names, of the people who fell into the honey pot. All the heads should have rolled and the cancer should have been excised. Instead, the evidence is nowhere to be seen, nobody is talking about it, and the cancer is metastasized.

 

[Terrell]

My point is that I doubt we'll ever know the truth, in full.

Yes, I know. And my counterpoint to yours is that, we do know the case in full, unless and until you can make a convincing argument that accounts for everything I laid out.

Um, no. It's not necessary to disprove every one of your points to have suspicion of the honesty of the media. There's is already evidence that the media (specifically ABC) blocked the story of the statutory rape & sex trafficking that Epstein was behind. That, in and of itself, is reason to undermine trust in the media.

 

[ZiprHead]

The Duke Of York has just stepped down due to his involvement with Epstein.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

My point is that I doubt we'll ever know the truth, in full.

Yes, I know. And my counterpoint to yours is that, we do know the case in full, unless and until you can make a convincing argument that accounts for everything I laid out.

Um, no. It's not necessary to disprove every one of your points to have suspicion of the honesty of the media. There's is already evidence that the media (specifically ABC) blocked the story of the statutory rape & sex trafficking that Epstein was behind. That, in and of itself, is reason to undermine trust in the media.

So, let me get this straight. You're saying, the "media" (a term that encompasses literally thousands of reporters, journalists, investigators, authors, etc) is some sort of monolithic entity that have all--as a group--somehow decided that no one among them is going to investigate anything about Epstein's clients because every editor and every reporter and every news organization's top brass are all, what, clients and therefore they have somehow put a universal kybosh on any and all reporting?

How has that worked out for other such asserted industry-wide conspiracies, like with Weinstein and Charlie Rose and Matt Lauer and Gerold, the Subway pedophile and Les Moonves and Kevin Spacey, hell the entire Catholic Church?

If anything, the recent days of the #metoo movement in particular have revealed more and more such stories, not institutions burying them.

And speaking of corruption in "the media," you realize you posted a project veritas video, right? Of course right.

 

[Terrell]

Um, no. It's not necessary to disprove every one of your points to have suspicion of the honesty of the media. There's is already evidence that the media (specifically ABC) blocked the story of the statutory rape & sex trafficking that Epstein was behind. That, in and of itself, is reason to undermine trust in the media.

So, let me get this straight. You're saying, the "media" (a term that encompasses literally thousands of reporters, journalists, investigators, authors, etc) is some sort of monolithic entity that have all--as a group--somehow decided that no one among them is going to investigate anything about Epstein's clients because every editor and every reporter and every news organization's top brass are all, what, clients and therefore they have somehow put a universal kybosh on any and all reporting?

How has that worked out for other such asserted industry-wide conspiracies, like with Weinstein and Charlie Rose and Matt Lauer and Gerold, the Subway pedophile and Les Moonves and Kevin Spacey, hell the entire Catholic Church?

If anything, the recent days of the #metoo movement in particular have revealed more and more such stories, not institutions burying them.

And speaking of corruption in "the media," you realize you posted a project veritas video, right? Of course right.

Is the content of the video wrong? Did Ms. Robach not say those things?

 

[Jarhyn]

Um, no. It's not necessary to disprove every one of your points to have suspicion of the honesty of the media. There's is already evidence that the media (specifically ABC) blocked the story of the statutory rape & sex trafficking that Epstein was behind. That, in and of itself, is reason to undermine trust in the media.

So, let me get this straight. You're saying, the "media" (a term that encompasses literally thousands of reporters, journalists, investigators, authors, etc) is some sort of monolithic entity that have all--as a group--somehow decided that no one among them is going to investigate anything about Epstein's clients because every editor and every reporter and every news organization's top brass are all, what, clients and therefore they have somehow put a universal kybosh on any and all reporting?

How has that worked out for other such asserted industry-wide conspiracies, like with Weinstein and Charlie Rose and Matt Lauer and Gerold, the Subway pedophile and Les Moonves and Kevin Spacey, hell the entire Catholic Church?

If anything, the recent days of the #metoo movement in particular have revealed more and more such stories, not institutions burying them.

And speaking of corruption in "the media," you realize you posted a project veritas video, right? Of course right.

Is the content of the video wrong? Did Ms. Robach not say those things?

I've blocked exactly one person on these forums. It isn't Dismal or Derec. It isn't Trausti, it isn't RVonse or even Half-Life or LionIRC.

The fact is, it's often harder to deal with someone who is mostly right for entirely wrong reasons (people who believe rational things for irrational reasons) than people who are mostly wrong for wrong reasons.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Um, no. It's not necessary to disprove every one of your points to have suspicion of the honesty of the media. There's is already evidence that the media (specifically ABC) blocked the story of the statutory rape & sex trafficking that Epstein was behind. That, in and of itself, is reason to undermine trust in the media.

So, let me get this straight. You're saying, the "media" (a term that encompasses literally thousands of reporters, journalists, investigators, authors, etc) is some sort of monolithic entity that have all--as a group--somehow decided that no one among them is going to investigate anything about Epstein's clients because every editor and every reporter and every news organization's top brass are all, what, clients and therefore they have somehow put a universal kybosh on any and all reporting?

How has that worked out for other such asserted industry-wide conspiracies, like with Weinstein and Charlie Rose and Matt Lauer and Gerold, the Subway pedophile and Les Moonves and Kevin Spacey, hell the entire Catholic Church?

If anything, the recent days of the #metoo movement in particular have revealed more and more such stories, not institutions burying them.

And speaking of corruption in "the media," you realize you posted a project veritas video, right? Of course right.

Is the content of the video wrong? Did Ms. Robach not say those things?

But what is wrong with the premise a criminal who was in as deep as it gets killing himself... and the media continuing a blackout on everything behind Epstein? Maybe what you should be asking is why there are no prosecutions past Epstein.

If Epstein wanted to talk, he'd never been in a prison.

 

[Jarhyn]

Is the content of the video wrong? Did Ms. Robach not say those things?

But what is wrong with the premise a criminal who was in as deep as it gets killing himself... and the media continuing a blackout on everything behind Epstein? Maybe what you should be asking is why there are no prosecutions past Epstein.

If Epstein wanted to talk, he'd never been in a prison.

More likely to me, and many others is in fact that his willingness to talk is what got him into a prison that saw him as it's first "suicide" in decades.

This assumes the people he was planning on talking about weren't still in power over him.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Epstein killed himself because prison didn't suit him and there was no way out. While he likely had lots of dirt on lots of important people, exposing that dirt would be complicated.

The big problem with the media isn't covering up his alleged murder... but covering up their own cover up of Epstein... one of the biggest upper circle widespread secrets in the US that, much like Weinstein, they refused to expose.

Exposing the dirt wouldn't help him anyway. The point of the dirt is to deter prosecution.

 

[Jarhyn]

Epstein killed himself because prison didn't suit him and there was no way out. While he likely had lots of dirt on lots of important people, exposing that dirt would be complicated.

The big problem with the media isn't covering up his alleged murder... but covering up their own cover up of Epstein... one of the biggest upper circle widespread secrets in the US that, much like Weinstein, they refused to expose.

Exposing the dirt wouldn't help him anyway. The point of the dirt is to deter prosecution.

It wouldn't help him except, you know, the way exposing dirt helps literally every other criminal ever: the plea deal.

Exposing the dirt the right way absolutely would have helped him.

 

[ruby sparks]

On a related note, has anyone here been following the British (our) Prince Andrew thing this last few days, including his 'car crash' of a tv interview regarding his association with Epstein?

It's just been announced this evening that Prince Andrew is stepping down from all his official duties.

 

[Politesse]

Absolute PR disaster. He sounds guilty as sin, and it's a hell of a sin. "It was a convenient place to stay" indeed...

 

[ruby sparks]

An interesting aspect of it is the British Police's seeming reluctance to investigate. The Royal Family still has clout and reputation here, despite all that has come out about (most of) them in recent years.

Great Channel 4 documentary on Prince Andrew last night. His story is that he met Epstein in New York in 2010 to break off the friendship face to face ('the honourable way') in light of the revelations about his pal (Epstein) in fact after he was a convicted sex offender, but evidence uncovered suggests that (a) they partied and (b) that Andrew secured from Epstein £15,000 to help pay off the debts of his ex-wife Sarah Ferguson, with whom he is still close and who apparently owed a lot of money to her staff in unpaid wages (her total debts were £5 million). That would be the Sarah Ferguson that was snapped/ exposed having her toes sucked while sunbathing topless, by some financial advisor guy in 1992 while she was married to Andrew.

And Princess Diana is generally revered here, despite having shagged the captain of the English rugby team while married to Prince Charles (who was shagging Camilla Parker-Bowles).

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Epstein killed himself because prison didn't suit him and there was no way out. While he likely had lots of dirt on lots of important people, exposing that dirt would be complicated.

The big problem with the media isn't covering up his alleged murder... but covering up their own cover up of Epstein... one of the biggest upper circle widespread secrets in the US that, much like Weinstein, they refused to expose.

Exposing the dirt wouldn't help him anyway. The point of the dirt is to deter prosecution.

It wouldn't help him except, you know, the way exposing dirt helps literally every other criminal ever: the plea deal.

Exposing the dirt the right way absolutely would have helped him.

I was talking about the current situation. The time to use his dirt was already past.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It wouldn't help him except, you know, the way exposing dirt helps literally every other criminal ever: the plea deal.

Exposing the dirt the right way absolutely would have helped him.

I was talking about the current situation. The time to use his dirt was already past.

I agree. Epstein would be the Kingpin. Selling out others doesn’t save him anything. He is going to be in prison for the rest of his life.

As noted, the benefit of leverage is staying away from investigations. But once in the system, his leverage is useless.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

It wouldn't help him except, you know, the way exposing dirt helps literally every other criminal ever: the plea deal.

Exposing the dirt the right way absolutely would have helped him.

I was talking about the current situation. The time to use his dirt was already past.

I agree. Epstein would be the Kingpin. Selling out others doesn’t save him anything. He is going to be in prison for the rest of his life.

As noted, the benefit of leverage is staying away from investigations. But once in the system, his leverage is useless.

Ummm....

 

[Jarhyn]

It wouldn't help him except, you know, the way exposing dirt helps literally every other criminal ever: the plea deal.

Exposing the dirt the right way absolutely would have helped him.

I was talking about the current situation. The time to use his dirt was already past.

I agree. Epstein would be the Kingpin. Selling out others doesn’t save him anything. He is going to be in prison for the rest of his life.

As noted, the benefit of leverage is staying away from investigations. But once in the system, his leverage is useless.

Some leverage is good for keeping an investigation at Bay, sure, but if you think that a DA wouldn't deal with a mob boss, a kingpin, to get them to dismantle their entire network of underlings, you have never heard of Nicky Barnes or Rayful Edmonds.

There is absolutely precedent to deal with a big fish, so as to catch literally all the other fishes.

The issue is, nobody wanted to actually see all the other fishes get caught.