Epstein, Kiddies, And Trump. Oh, My

[Jarhyn]

Jahryn posts that I won't answer it directly, right after I did.

Right after you didn't. Right after you said he should make illegal decisions without review.

As if you think these decisions were made without appeal, or for that matter that they should have been released rather than seeing people be prosecuted through normal channels.

For all the court of public opinions can ruin people, we have actual courts with actual evidence that run on things like trials, with due process, and a government that can be used for going outside it, assuming you have a D next to your name.

So no, Biden couldn't legally release it.

Trump can't either for that matter, but with Trump, that doesn't seem to matter.

 

[laughing dog]

If the files have Trump's name, why didn't Biden release them? If the files have Clinton's name, why didn't Trump release them?

1 Because Biden isn't Trump.

2 Because Trump is named too

3 Because Trump made the files a big deal and promised to release them. And then didn't.

Trump is despicable slimebucket. Biden isn't. This isn't that complicated. Zeesh!

If Biden was as decent as you claim, he would have released the files.

As Ziprhead pointed out (in post 454, prior to the above response), the court sealed the files during Biden's term. Are you suggesting, as a libertarian, that the POTUS should disobey the courts?

Have you ever heard of "the appeal process"? There's no indication he tried to do anything towards releasing the documents after a court sealed them. Or perhaps releasing them before the court sealed them? Nah, Biden never did anything wrong.

Federal Grand jury proceedings are secret, so it was not legally possible to release them “before” they were sealed.

Since the Trump DOJ’s request to release them transcripts has been denied twice, it is possible the Biden DOJ rightly thought attempting to release them was a waste of time.

 

[blastula]

Biden didn't release them because that's not something presidents are supposed to do, they don't interfere with the DOJ on individual cases. And DOJ policy is to not release all their documents on a case ever.

Yet Trump promised he would release them during the campaign.

Now that he's in the office, for some reason he's suddenly against it.

And the judge only sealed grand jury testimony, the judge has nothing to do with the DOJ documents.

 

[Jarhyn]

Biden didn't release them because that's not something presidents are supposed to do, they don't interfere with the DOJ on individual cases. And DOJ policy is to not release all their documents on a case ever.

Yet Trump promised he would release them during the campaign.

Now that he's in the office, for some reason he's suddenly against it.

And the judge only sealed grand jury testimony, the judge has nothing to do with the DOJ documents.

Which is my point. Biden didn't release them because due process required not doing that lest they taint the jury.

Trump doesn't release them because he doesn't want the process that happens after due process has been denied, and justice can no longer be blind since she was denied her due.

There's a huge difference there and anyone feigning to not know the difference at this point is clearly simply "feigning".

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Thomas Massie has gathered the 218 signatures in the House to force Trump to release Epstein data.

But then Massie has an R after his name so that must be bad, MAGA, a Trump ally, etc.

Even if, it doesn't mean much, since would still need to go through the Senate and then Trump would have to sign it.



And even if it went through all that, it would still depend on the fine print of what would really be released.

You miss the big picture. Even if it fails in the Senate, even if it passes the senate and gets vetoed ...

Forcing a vote in the House means each and every representative to state Yes or No on releasing the files. On the record.

Republicans are saying the list is full of Democrats, and people here are saying the list is full of Republicans. Both statements are probably true at the same time, so seeing you votes Yes and who votes No will be a bipartisan issue.

Just getting Reps to state their position on the record, even if it goes no farther. Massie has the signatures, he can force the vote when congress comes back into session.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Biden didn't release them because that's not something presidents are supposed to do, they don't interfere with the DOJ on individual cases. And DOJ policy is to not release all their documents on a case ever.

Yet Trump promised he would release them during the campaign.

Now that he's in the office, for some reason he's suddenly against it.

And the judge only sealed grand jury testimony, the judge has nothing to do with the DOJ documents.

Which is my point. Biden didn't release them because due process required not doing that lest they taint the jury.

Trump doesn't release them because he doesn't want the process that happens after due process has been denied, and justice can no longer be blind since she was denied her due.

There's a huge difference there and anyone feigning to not know the difference at this point is clearly simply "feigning".

He didn't even attempt to appeal the ruling. Why didn't he even attempt to appeal the ruling? Was there something he wanted to hide?

 

[Jarhyn]

Some people apparently have literacy problems:

Biden didn't release them because due process required not doing that lest they taint the jury.

Biden should not have released them so long as the administration could/might prosecute.

That's the whole fucking point.

The court made the right decision, and so did the Biden administration.

Now, Trump ran on a platform of releasing those files. He was elected on a platform of releasing them.

I think legally, releasing them ultimately harms the public's interest in due process; releasing them prior to a trial precludes a fair trial.

That said, it does not look like a trial is possible, so the point is moot. Release the files, and we will see who, no matter their side, and may people find whatever scant mercies an angry mob will levy.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Thomas Massie has gathered the 218 signatures in the House to force Trump to release Epstein data.

But then Massie has an R after his name so that must be bad, MAGA, a Trump ally, etc.

Even if, it doesn't mean much, since would still need to go through the Senate and then Trump would have to sign it.



And even if it went through all that, it would still depend on the fine print of what would really be released.

You miss the big picture. Even if it fails in the Senate, even if it passes the senate and gets vetoed ...

Forcing a vote in the House means each and every representative to state Yes or No on releasing the files. On the record.

Republicans are saying the list is full of Democrats, and people here are saying the list is full of Republicans. Both statements are probably true at the same time, so seeing you votes Yes and who votes No will be a bipartisan issue.

Just getting Reps to state their position on the record, even if it goes no farther. Massie has the signatures, he can force the vote when congress comes back into session.

I imagine it iis less likely a GOP v Dem thing regarding the list as it is a donor / wealthy people thing.

Johnson is currently working hard to prevent the 218th signature for the vote... to reveal the documents that Trump and his group kept saying they wanted to release. They went as far as shifting Epstein's accomplice to a comfy community to get her to say certain things to hope this would go away. If Trump is being truthful about never being on the island, he might have a much larger problem called "human trafficking" as Trump already noted a worker of his was poached by Epstein.

 

[ZiprHead]

Johnson is currently working hard to prevent the 218th signature for the vote... to reveal the documents that Trump and his group kept saying they wanted to release.

Grijalva would be the 218 signature to call for a vote to release the documents, not the document release itself.